ITA Indoor at Illinois Campus

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Does anyone know if the public will be allowed to watch ITA Indoor Championships this coming February?
 

NoChance

Rookie
I'd say, don't expect "fans in the house" until things go outdoors. Given the attendance at most college matches, it would be very easy to distance outdoors.
 

JLyon

Hall of Fame
appears attendance is upto the schools and conference and is very limited in allowance of outside fans. Will mainly see student athletes in attendance.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
appears attendance is upto the schools and conference and is very limited in allowance of outside fans. Will mainly see student athletes in attendance.
With the new Variant virus hitting the Illinois as well, you can forget about any fans being allowed in. Luckfully we have live cams in this indoors to watch Stanford take home the title
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
Will be interesting to find out what happens with the Baylor/Texas A&M match since the final at Michigan host site (scheduled for today but canceled last day) could not be played due to Univ of Mich shutting down all athletics for 14 days due to 5 athletes (dont know what sports) testing positive for more contagious COVID variant. https://mgoblue.com/news/2021/1/23/...hletics-enters-department-wide-activity-pause

Since both universities are in Texas, it should not be too hard to find a neutral site in Texas in the near future to play that final. With major upsets during the kickoff weekend including 3 hosts losing, there could be significant changes in team rankings that could affect seedings for National Indoors.
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
@Nostradamus When will Stanford actually play a match(no schedule posted)? I did read the team wont return to campus until February 13-that was from a mid January article. Will they be practicing next week or will practice be delayed further? All the other PAC-12 teams have played matches-most have played 4 or more though UCLA has only played 2 but has 3 more scheduled in Feb, and Cal has played 3 but doesnt have any more on schedule until March 26. USC has played 6 already and of course will play at National Indoors. What gives in the difference in scheduling between different Cali universities? I think only the Ivy League has less scheduled matches-I dont think any of their spring sports can start until March. Too bad for Columbia which is usually a top 20 team, and other Ivys were top 30.

I wonder how the ITA will change rankings to reflect some teams and conferences will have a later start than others. In the past, a certain number of top wins would count each week (up to 10) in the ITA ranking calculation (and all losses counted). With some teams starting late and playing fewer matches, some teams may never get to the 10 win threshold. The current ITA rankings are based on coaches' votes and not a calculation yet. Stanford is still ranked #6 even though they have not played a match...However, usually the first computerized rankings come out after National Team Indoors so Stanford should drop unless the ITA sticks with coaches' poll until sometime in March.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
@Nostradamus When will Stanford actually play a match(no schedule posted)? I did read the team wont return to campus until February 13-that was from a mid January article. Will they be practicing next week or will practice be delayed further? All the other PAC-12 teams have played matches-most have played 4 or more though UCLA has only played 2 but has 3 more scheduled in Feb, and Cal has played 3 but doesnt have any more on schedule until March 26. USC has played 6 already and of course will play at National Indoors. What gives in the difference in scheduling between different Cali universities? I think only the Ivy League has less scheduled matches-I dont think any of their spring sports can start until March. Too bad for Columbia which is usually a top 20 team, and other Ivys were top 30.

I wonder how the ITA will change rankings to reflect some teams and conferences will have a later start than others. In the past, a certain number of top wins would count each week (up to 10) in the ITA ranking calculation (and all losses counted). With some teams starting late and playing fewer matches, some teams may never get to the 10 win threshold. The current ITA rankings are based on coaches' votes and not a calculation yet. Stanford is still ranked #6 even though they have not played a match...However, usually the first computerized rankings come out after National Team Indoors so Stanford should drop unless the ITA sticks with coaches' poll until sometime in March.
Until the United States has covid lockdown like Australia to turn around the covid tide, the UK, South African and Brazil covid variants will be the normal here in the US very soon. No one should be travel at the moment, unless it is "essential". I don't think playing ITA indoor is considered "essential", especially when the tournament is hosted indoor at U. of Ill. Just a bad idea to begin with.

Why don't they hold the event at USTA in Orlando? At least there, it is "outdoor" and safe with social distancing.
 

andfor

Legend
Until the United States has covid lockdown like Australia to turn around the covid tide, the UK, South African and Brazil covid variants will be the normal here in the US very soon. No one should be travel at the moment, unless it is "essential". I don't think playing ITA indoor is considered "essential", especially when the tournament is hosted indoor at U. of Ill. Just a bad idea to begin with.

Why don't they hold the event at USTA in Orlando? At least there, it is "outdoor" and safe with social distancing.
Based on your post, it appears you answered your own question. They would have to travel to Orlando which is not "essential" nor is it "safe".
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Until the United States has covid lockdown like Australia to turn around the covid tide, the UK, South African and Brazil covid variants will be the normal here in the US very soon. No one should be travel at the moment, unless it is "essential". I don't think playing ITA indoor is considered "essential", especially when the tournament is hosted indoor at U. of Ill. Just a bad idea to begin with.

Why don't they hold the event at USTA in Orlando? At least there, it is "outdoor" and safe with social distancing.
LOL,, it is ITA ""INDOOR"" tournament. that should explain. no pun intended
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
@Nostradamus When will Stanford actually play a match(no schedule posted)? I did read the team wont return to campus until February 13-that was from a mid January article. Will they be practicing next week or will practice be delayed further? All the other PAC-12 teams have played matches-most have played 4 or more though UCLA has only played 2 but has 3 more scheduled in Feb, and Cal has played 3 but doesnt have any more on schedule until March 26. USC has played 6 already and of course will play at National Indoors. What gives in the difference in scheduling between different Cali universities? I think only the Ivy League has less scheduled matches-I dont think any of their spring sports can start until March. Too bad for Columbia which is usually a top 20 team, and other Ivys were top 30.

I wonder how the ITA will change rankings to reflect some teams and conferences will have a later start than others. In the past, a certain number of top wins would count each week (up to 10) in the ITA ranking calculation (and all losses counted). With some teams starting late and playing fewer matches, some teams may never get to the 10 win threshold. The current ITA rankings are based on coaches' votes and not a calculation yet. Stanford is still ranked #6 even though they have not played a match...However, usually the first computerized rankings come out after National Team Indoors so Stanford should drop unless the ITA sticks with coaches' poll until sometime in March.
With all these new Pro potential Junior joining the team, it is fair that they are ranked in top 10. They are really one of the top 3 teams in the country. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if they win the NCAA next 3-5 years in a row.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
Based on your post, it appears you answered your own question. They would have to travel to Orlando which is not "essential" nor is it "safe"./QUOTE]

Well, I did think about it, and any universities on the East side of the Miss. rivers can drive to USTA instead of flying. Any universities on the west side of the Miss river don't have to come. It is much safer to drive (with people you know that are tested and covid free) than flying. Once they are in Orlando, it is "outdoor" which is much safer, IMHO. Sometime you just have to accept the lesser of two evils. You're not going to get me to be anywhere indoor anywhere except my own home because covid variants are everywhere.

Unless the university of Illinois decided to create a "buble" environment for the ITA event like what the NBA did in Orlando for the 2020 season, that might work. However, I don't think the ITA event organizers have the $$$ to make that happen.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
@Nostradamus When will Stanford actually play a match(no schedule posted)? I did read the team wont return to campus until February 13-that was from a mid January article. Will they be practicing next week or will practice be delayed further? All the other PAC-12 teams have played matches-most have played 4 or more though UCLA has only played 2 but has 3 more scheduled in Feb, and Cal has played 3 but doesnt have any more on schedule until March 26. USC has played 6 already and of course will play at National Indoors. What gives in the difference in scheduling between different Cali universities? I think only the Ivy League has less scheduled matches-I dont think any of their spring sports can start until March. Too bad for Columbia which is usually a top 20 team, and other Ivys were top 30.

I wonder how the ITA will change rankings to reflect some teams and conferences will have a later start than others. In the past, a certain number of top wins would count each week (up to 10) in the ITA ranking calculation (and all losses counted). With some teams starting late and playing fewer matches, some teams may never get to the 10 win threshold. The current ITA rankings are based on coaches' votes and not a calculation yet. Stanford is still ranked #6 even though they have not played a match...However, usually the first computerized rankings come out after National Team Indoors so Stanford should drop unless the ITA sticks with coaches' poll until sometime in March.
Are you seriously trying to get some meaningful information out of @Nostradamus? :) And that information being Stanford related? I mean he clearly does not play tennis, does not follow tennis, and has nothing to do with Stanford either.....
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
Are you seriously trying to get some meaningful information out of @Nostradamus? :) And that information being Stanford related? I mean he clearly does not play tennis, does not follow tennis, and has nothing to do with Stanford either.....
He may live in Cali and have heard about an unofficial schedule. The last statement from Stanford was mid January saying practice would start 2/13; if the team really starts practice in a few days, someone on this board has probably heard something about when the team will start to play matches. Doesn't Nostradamus at least attend matches? I know he likes to troll people but I thought he was a fan. Actually he did have some legit info in his last post-2 Stanford freshmen are on the list of UTR of top 10 freshmen and Stanford's Fery is #1 on the list slightly above Virginia's von der Schulenberg. However after the VA freshmen's performance at the Kickoff, most of us would bet he'd take Fery in straights.
 
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jmnk

Hall of Fame
He may live in Cali and have heard about an unofficial schedule. The last statement from Stanford was mid January saying practice would start 2/13; if the team really starts practice in a few days, someone on this board has probably heard something about when the team will start to play matches. Doesn't Nostradamus at least attend matches? I know he likes to troll people but I thought he was a fan. Actually he did have some legit info in his last post-2 Stanford freshmen are on the list of UTR of top 10 freshmen and Stanford's Fery is #1 on the list slightly above Virginia's von der Schulenberg. However after the VA freshmen's performance at the Kickoff, most of us would bet he'd take Fery in straights.
I mean I'm clearly joking and do not know @Nostradamus personally at all. I'm just going by the, ahem, quality of his posts. Like if one posts something like that
With the new Variant virus hitting the Illinois as well, you can forget about any fans being allowed in. Luckfully we have live cams in this indoors to watch Stanford take home the title
when Stanford team does not even participate in the said tournament, or another gem
Why is Standford not competing at indoors / kickoff weekend? COVID related?
No, scheduling conflict.
while it is well known that both Stanford tennis teams did not participate in indoors this year due to COVID concerns. I mean what kind of scheduling conflict they have since they were _planning to be the host_ for the kickoff qualifying tournament. Did the coaches a week before that well in advanced planned tournament realized that the Stanford tennis courts are going to be taken for some seniors clinic that weekend or something?

(and these are just gems from this thread alone).......

and his 'legit info on new players' is information publicly known, it's not like one needs to be any sort of insider to know that.
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I mean I'm clearly joking and do not know @Nostradamus personally at all. I'm just going by the, ahem, quality of his posts. Like if one posts something like that

when Stanford team does not even participate in the said tournament, or another gem


while it is well known that both Stanford tennis teams did not participate in indoors this year due to COVID concerns. I mean what kind of scheduling conflict they have since they were _planning to be the host_ for the kickoff qualifying tournament. Did the coaches a week before that well in advanced planned tournament realized that the Stanford tennis courts are going to be taken for some seniors clinic that weekend or something?

(and these are just gems from this thread alone).......

and his 'legit info on new players' is information publicly known, it's not like one needs to be any sort of insider to know that.
LMAO..... So wrong, Soso Wrong................ :giggle:
 

jrstrat

Rookie
Will be interesting to find out what happens with the Baylor/Texas A&M match since the final at Michigan host site (scheduled for today but canceled last day) could not be played due to Univ of Mich shutting down all athletics for 14 days due to 5 athletes (dont know what sports) testing positive for more contagious COVID variant. https://mgoblue.com/news/2021/1/23/...hletics-enters-department-wide-activity-pause

Since both universities are in Texas, it should not be too hard to find a neutral site in Texas in the near future to play that final. With major upsets during the kickoff weekend including 3 hosts losing, there could be significant changes in team rankings that could affect seedings for National Indoors.
Played in Dallas. Baylor won 4-1. So far, Baylor has beaten 3 top ten teams in UT, Michigan and Texas A&M but lost to TCU. Tremendous depth but not sure they are strong enough at the top to win a national title this year. Too bad Brooksby turned pro.
 

Liam Grennon

Professional
Played in Dallas. Baylor won 4-1. So far, Baylor has beaten 3 top ten teams in UT, Michigan and Texas A&M but lost to TCU. Tremendous depth but not sure they are strong enough at the top to win a national title this year. Too bad Brooksby turned pro.
I wouldn't be surprised if Baylor beats TCU in the conference tournament. Baylor won the doubles point but came out slow in singles. TCU won 5 first sets and just kind of took it to them. I don't think it's fair to say they aren't contenders. They might not have a Bloomberg or Cukierman up top but they are an experienced team and play some good doubles which always helps. I think they are certainly in the mix!
 

Liam Grennon

Professional
LOL... did you know that the 2021 Rose Bowl football game was played in Arlington Texas instead of Pasadena, California.? In the time of covid pandemic, everyone needs to be flexible.
LOL... just kidding im not going to do that. But I think in Tennis - playing indoors vs outdoors is a pretty big difference. Teams like Ohio State/UNC/Columbia normally do well at ITA indoors because they practice indoors alot / their teams playing style is better suited for indoor tennis. If you move ITA indoors outside for COVID reasons they would just basically be playing NCAA's. I get what your saying for sure, but its not exactly an equal comparison in my eyes!
 

jcgatennismom

Professional
@jmnk Yeah he's a troll
If you move ITA indoors outside for COVID reasons they would just basically be playing NCAA's. I get what your saying for sure, but its not exactly an equal comparison in my eyes!
Some of the early rounds of the NCAA team tourney which is supposed to be outdoors are played indoors due to rain. So there is no guarantee that indoors will be indoors and outdoors will be outdoors. I think there is supposed to be some flex in the NCAA schedule but if it looks like rain for a whole weekend, then the matches are played indoors. I watched an early round one year and both days the matches were indoors. Even in the later rounds, sometimes the matches are indoors-one of the years that UGA was hosting NCAAs they had to move matches to GA Tech which was probably close to 90 min drive away-the situation was made worse since UGA only had 4 indoor courts while GT had 6. Nothing more fun that NCAAs in Athens when sun is shining but I doubt they will host again without 6 indoor courts and who knows when that will happen-silly to me that UGA redid their outdoor stands when they still have not added two more indoor courts.
 

jmnk

Hall of Fame
Some of the early rounds of the NCAA team tourney which is supposed to be outdoors are played indoors due to rain. So there is no guarantee that indoors will be indoors and outdoors will be outdoors. I think there is supposed to be some flex in the NCAA schedule but if it looks like rain for a whole weekend, then the matches are played indoors. I watched an early round one year and both days the matches were indoors. Even in the later rounds, sometimes the matches are indoors-one of the years that UGA was hosting NCAAs they had to move matches to GA Tech which was probably close to 90 min drive away-the situation was made worse since UGA only had 4 indoor courts while GT had 6. Nothing more fun that NCAAs in Athens when sun is shining but I doubt they will host again without 6 indoor courts and who knows when that will happen-silly to me that UGA redid their outdoor stands when they still have not added two more indoor courts.
Very good points. In addition, the qualifying tournaments for the Indoor championships are played outdoors very often. So this Indoor vs Outdoor thing, while obviously it does make a difference for a given team, is not really that logical/fair end to end.
 

bobleenov1963

Hall of Fame
@jmnk Yeah he's a troll
Some of the early rounds of the NCAA team tourney which is supposed to be outdoors are played indoors due to rain. So there is no guarantee that indoors will be indoors and outdoors will be outdoors. I think there is supposed to be some flex in the NCAA schedule but if it looks like rain for a whole weekend, then the matches are played indoors. I watched an early round one year and both days the matches were indoors. Even in the later rounds, sometimes the matches are indoors-one of the years that UGA was hosting NCAAs they had to move matches to GA Tech which was probably close to 90 min drive away-the situation was made worse since UGA only had 4 indoor courts while GT had 6. Nothing more fun that NCAAs in Athens when sun is shining but I doubt they will host again without 6 indoor courts and who knows when that will happen-silly to me that UGA redid their outdoor stands when they still have not added two more indoor courts.
UGA is not adding two more indoor tennis courts? What do they do with all the money generate from Football revenue for the past five years that Kirby Smart is a Football head coach there? UGA has been making so much money with the football ever since Kirby Smart come back to his UGA alma mater.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I will predict Illinois will upset few teams in this indoor tournament. they seem to play well at home and are very underrated
 

bluetrain4

G.O.A.T.
So are both the men's and women's ITA Indoors permanently 8 teams instead of 16, or was this year's 8-team draws just because of Covid?
 

andfor

Legend
Well, I did think about it, and any universities on the East side of the Miss. rivers can drive to USTA instead of flying. Any universities on the west side of the Miss river don't have to come. It is much safer to drive (with people you know that are tested and covid free) than flying. Once they are in Orlando, it is "outdoor" which is much safer, IMHO. Sometime you just have to accept the lesser of two evils. You're not going to get me to be anywhere indoor anywhere except my own home because covid variants are everywhere.

Unless the university of Illinois decided to create a "buble" environment for the ITA event like what the NBA did in Orlando for the 2020 season, that might work. However, I don't think the ITA event organizers have the $$$ to make that happen.
I'd be open to your idea from here Orlando is 11.5 hours drive with few stops. Given 12 hour and more + drive times for teams that would qualify for this tourney even on the east side of the Miss. river, not sure many coaches would be up for the trip. Trying to regionalize it may have been another possibility. My guess is the ITA and NCAA just figured to go with what events they can do for 2021 and let teams make their own calls. Here's to 2022.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
matches so far seriously boring.......................So boring in fact that i am going to watch the australian open instead
 
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jmnk

Hall of Fame
well, it's official. I was watching in person last year - USC won it all. Now they had no fans allowed - USC lost _in the first round_. Anybody wants to hire me as a good luck charm - I'm open to offers... :)
 

jdlive

New User
Nice weekend for the home team. Knocked off USC and then came back from down 3-0 to beat UVa without Kovacevic. Maybe they'll get a few votes in the next poll. :)
 
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Liam Grennon

Professional
Nice weekend for the home team. Knocked off USC and then came back from down 3-0 to beat UVa without Kovacevic. Maybe they'll get a few voted in the next poll. :)
That Freshman Hunter Heck is a really good addition to their team + having guys like Zeke Clark I am sure has helped team culture not to mention he clinched two matches for them. Really cool to see!
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
One observation i was able to make. All these teams that made it to the indoor NCAA D1 tournament are weak, no dominant team. Cardinal would have beaten all these teams convincingly
 

jhick

Hall of Fame
That Freshman Hunter Heck is a really good addition to their team + having guys like Zeke Clark I am sure has helped team culture not to mention he clinched two matches for them. Really cool to see!
Heck played 1 year as a 7th grader at my alma mater. He was a little kid at the time (I think he played 3rd singles on a really good team). Didn't know he would turn out to be that good. His mother also has played USTA doubles with both of my sisters in the past.
 
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