ITA team rankings and WTN

is there a free public site...where the regular fan can find WTN rankings for individual players? Michigan seems over ranked at 14. South Carolina seems too high at #5

WTN may be misleading and somewhat discriminatory. If one doesn't get to play against higher WTN players, he won't improve his WTN ranking much. I've begun paying attention to WTN in junior ITF but rankings based on ITF points are way more essential for players' success. The out of 40 scale is a bit dubious given that one should be in the location where higher WTN players are, although I am feeling that some EU players' sky high WTNs are for justified reasons.
 
Does anyone know where to look at results quickly from the whole country? Neither Collegetennisranks or the ITA site seem to be up and running for the new season yet.
 
Does anyone know where to look at results quickly from the whole country? Neither Collegetennisranks or the ITA site seem to be up and running for the new season yet.
noticed that as well, I have been checking team pages, no good way right now until ITA gets the Spring 2024 season running on their results
 
I have no idea....who runs the college tennis nation page.....
they have been doing a post on most days...showing the key matches that day
just go to google and type in college tennis nation instagram (not letting me post link)
 
The latest rankings are out for women's teams. Those Win-Loss records look a little suspicious, though.

I would post a screen grab, but this site is asking for a URL instead of letting me post a *.png or *.jpg file. Anyone know why that is?
 
interesting to see A&M with so many early season losses but still ranked relatively high. Does the formula not punish losses but only count the team's best wins?
 
There haven’t been any computer rankings yet this year. The first ones of the year are coming tomorrow. But yes overall the formula does not punish losses as much as it rewards wins.
 
Rankings are out. Although its still early in the season, there's gonna be some heartburn for some. https://colleges.wearecollegetennis...ionType=DIV1&matchFormat=TEAM&date=2024-02-20
Hard to believe GA and UNC are barely in top 40 behind Vandy and Indiana. Know it’s a rebuilding year but still…Congrats to your local-ish team Memphis at #20. Do you think they can hold on to it? Do they have the schedule to possibly push for top 16? Know they were close a few years back.
 
Some stand outs in the men’s rankings:

Higher than expected/usual
4 Columbia
9 Arizona
28 Vanderbilt
32 Denver
45 Delaware
66 Stetson
72 Idaho State

Lower than expected/usual
10 Texas
15 South Carolina
25 Michigan
29 USC
37 UNC
39 Georgia
67 Florida
Unranked Cal
Unranked Texas Tech
Unranked Ole Miss
 
Some stand outs in the men’s rankings:

Higher than expected/usual
4 Columbia
9 Arizona
28 Vanderbilt
32 Denver
45 Delaware
66 Stetson
72 Idaho State

Lower than expected/usual
10 Texas
15 South Carolina
25 Michigan
29 USC
37 UNC
39 Georgia
67 Florida
Unranked Cal
Unranked Texas Tech
Unranked Ole Miss
Do you think Stanford looks low?
 
Some stand outs in the men’s rankings:

Higher than expected/usual
4 Columbia
9 Arizona
28 Vanderbilt
32 Denver
45 Delaware
66 Stetson
72 Idaho State

Lower than expected/usual
10 Texas
15 South Carolina
25 Michigan
29 USC
37 UNC
39 Georgia
67 Florida
Unranked Cal
Unranked Texas Tech
Unranked Ole Miss
I also looked at the CTR site with projected rankings for all D1 teams. Worst P5s: Wisconsin UR 0-8, Utah 2-7 #182 Worst start for decent MM is unranked Tulane 0-5 who was a #2 seed at Jan kickoff-was #44 last year, lost a couple 3-4 including Miami. 29 d1 teams have no win yet vs another d1 but Wisc is the only P5.
 
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And look at Stanford! Memphis can do it! They have a couple more good matches that can boost them, also need Harvard to finish strong.
Stanford does seem low. They blanked Memphis 4-0 at kickoff and two of their three losses were to Texas and TCU. One could argue they lost to a bad Michigan team but that was without Basavareddy. I think they should get back into the top 25 but then stagnate as they play no strong opponents other than Arizona. And it’s not a guarantee they win against USC, ASU or UCLA.
 
I also looked at the CTR site with projected rankings for all D1 teams. Worst P5s: Wisconsin UR 0-8, Utah 2-7 #182 Worst start for decent MM is unranked Tulane 0-5 who was a #2 seed at Jan kickoff-was #44 last year, lost a couple 3-4 including Miami. 29 d1 teams have no win yet vs another d1 but Wisc is the only P5.
Big drop off for Utah this year as they had their best season ever last year making the sweet 16. They’ve already lost to Idaho State this year.

Idaho is #68 despite being 0-4. That has to be a mistake of some type by the ITA. They have been known to make mistakes here and there.
 
Don't think I ever expected to see tiny Univ. of San Diego with a higher national ranking than the 'traditional' California powerhouses UCLA, USC and Stanford. Anyone who thinks college tennis is boring and predictable just doesn't follow it.
 
college tennis ranks confirms that mistakes were made. Idaho of course being one and also LSU’s win over Rice was apparently incorrectly counted as a loss which put them at 46 instead of where they should have been in the mid 20s.
 
Some stand outs in the men’s rankings:

Higher than expected/usual
4 Columbia
9 Arizona
28 Vanderbilt
32 Denver
45 Delaware
66 Stetson
72 Idaho State

Lower than expected/usual
10 Texas
15 South Carolina
25 Michigan
29 USC
37 UNC
39 Georgia
67 Florida
Unranked Cal
Unranked Texas Tech
Unranked Ole Miss
Also Michigan State at #21. Being ranked at all is massively higher than usual for the Spartans - like decades of "usual." A huge deal.
 
Yeah but we kinda knew that was coming with their 10-0 record and improved roster which we’ve discussed. #21 is actually kinda lower than they would have hoped I bet. But they’ll have a chance to likely play Alabama this weekend for a ranking boosting result.
 
Yeah but we kinda knew that was coming with their 10-0 record and improved roster which we’ve discussed. #21 is actually kinda lower than they would have hoped I bet. But they’ll have a chance to likely play Alabama this weekend for a ranking boosting result.
21 seems about right. They've had a lot of good wins, but none over a really top-shelf opponent. They've beaten the current 27, 28, 51, 69, and 70. It's really refreshing to see a new Big 10 school emerge. I know the tangible reasons why they're better, but it's still shocking to me to see them rise this far.
 
Some stand outs in the men’s rankings:

Higher than expected/usual
4 Columbia
9 Arizona
28 Vanderbilt
32 Denver
45 Delaware
66 Stetson
72 Idaho State

Lower than expected/usual
10 Texas
15 South Carolina
25 Michigan
29 USC
37 UNC
39 Georgia
67 Florida
Unranked Cal
Unranked Texas Tech
Unranked Ole Miss
Vanderbilt is a joke at 28....
Vandy will lose to number 39 Georgia and number 67 Florida
 
Btw the ITA did correct the rankings. There are some slight differences. The main mistake of Rice beating LSU was corrected which knocked Rice out of the top 75 (they’ll be back soon though after beating ODU today) and LSU moved up.

Corrected men’s rankings
 
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The black and white nature of the ITA rankings can be brutal. SMU was a few points from beating Baylor in Waco but gets nothing for it and hence will fall outside the top 75 while Baylor will move into the top 16.
 
Surprised Texas checks in at 9 in today’s rankings despite beating Ohio St soundly.

Also interesting that 7 of the 8 Ivies are ranked (Brown being the exception).
 
Surprised Texas checks in at 9 in today’s rankings despite beating Ohio St soundly.

Also interesting that 7 of the 8 Ivies are ranked (Brown being the exception).
This is the nature of computer rankings, where it is computed based on all of your wins and losses with no bias for latest results.

The most current ranking uses the five best wins, while the next one uses the six best wins
 
This is the nature of computer rankings, where it is computed based on all of your wins and losses with no bias for latest results.

The most current ranking uses the five best wins, while the next one uses the six best wins
Texas had a disappointing Nat Indoors (by its standards) but has otherwise been right there among the top 5. Their losses have been to UVA, Arizona (at Indoors) and TCU (away). Frankly, I see them winning every match remaining on their schedule but for the home date with TCU which could be a toss up (TCU won 4-3 at home). TCU is 2, UVA 3, and Arizona 5 in the latest rankings. I would take Texas over Arizona any day outdoors. It'll probably turn out alright but it would be a shame if they don't get to host the super regionals and have to travel instead.
 
Ohhh Feddie

Columbia, Harvard, and very nearly Princeton now have better teams than Stanford

The fall of an empire - they’d be struggling if they were in the Ivy League

Nice to see Duke far above them as well :)
 
This is the nature of computer rankings, where it is computed based on all of your wins and losses with no bias for latest results.

The most current ranking uses the five best wins, while the next one uses the six best wins
But the rankings could, if they wanted, reflect match scores and most recent results. Anything can be plugged into the ranking algorithm.
 
Ramsey Smith slowly but surely saving his job in Mike’s eyes.

Tbf to Nostra, he has not used the academic excuse yet this year. I do expect it’s coming though eventually.
Ha, I don’t think he has done a good job, still would like to see him replaced

But relative to Goldstein he’s doing alright
 
For college players I now find WTN to be more accurate than UTR. The latter doesn’t capture all results and occasionally misreports the scores too. I am in favor of giving WTN more time to fine tune its algorithm for the sake of completeness in capturing players’ performance.
 
For college players I now find WTN to be more accurate than UTR. The latter doesn’t capture all results and occasionally misreports the scores too. I am in favor of giving WTN more time to fine tune its algorithm for the sake of completeness in capturing players’ performance.
I kinda agree. If you look at the current team rankings, where teams ended up in the NCAA tourney and line up the WTN's it's gotten better since the beginning of the season. There's some anomalies. Believe it or not coming from me, I thought Stanford's WTN was more accurate than most, but their ranking was low in comparison, but their ranking started to catch up later in the season.

I'm somewhat interested to see the final rankings and WTN's to see how they line up.
 
I kinda agree. If you look at the current team rankings, where teams ended up in the NCAA tourney and line up the WTN's it's gotten better since the beginning of the season. There's some anomalies. Believe it or not coming from me, I thought Stanford's WTN was more accurate than most, but their ranking was low in comparison, but their ranking started to catch up later in the season.

I'm somewhat interested to see the final rankings and WTN's to see how they line up.
Lol. You can be an honorary Card supporter for that one day every year.
 
Lol. You can be an honorary Card supporter for that one day every year.
Haha. I wasn't very clear. I meant to say, "interested to see how all the final rankings line up compared to their corresponding WTN's". But I will cheer for the Card on the last ranking day, just this once. LOL
 
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