Italian Open organizer eyes tournament as 5th tennis Grand Slam

[RSJfan]

Indian Wells and Rome for me are de fact slams, ive felt that for years.

To me they’re both de facto 250s. I think Egg feels the same way at this point in time.

 

[RSJfan]

Nobody needs a 5th Slam. Unless they want to disrupt all tennis stats to date. We were happy with 4 for more than 100 years. Why change?

Tennis should return to three slams and one fake slam, as it was during the Golden Era: W, USO and FO. Egg can pad his stats with AOs.

 

[Bartelby]

The Four Slams are a triumph of Anglo-Atlanticist sporting supremacy with a nod to the Continent called the FO.

 

[Nappa]

If a second clay slam is added we would have to add at least ten slams more to Nadals tally in all fairness

 

[langley]

If a second clay slam is added we would have to add at least ten slams more to Nadals tally in all fairness

at least.

and a couple more for Nole as well.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

If a second clay slam is added we would have to add at least ten slams more to Nadals tally in all fairness

The Italian promoter Binaghi is suggesting sharing of the slams. Has met with the Pope.
Where is it written that the clay slam must be held in Paris every year? Share it with Rome.
Hopefully the tennis-playing Pope Leo pulls some strings to make it all happen and breaks up these monopolistic practices.

 

[Tennfan123]

They should have always had an extra clay slam to make things fairer.
Imagine Nadal’s numbers if they’d done that!

 

[Bartelby]

Paris would lose several hundred million a year, so I guess they might complain.

The Italian promoter Binaghi is suggesting sharing of the slams. Where is it written that Roland Garros must be held every year?
Nobody would complain if Paris was occasionally shifted to Rome.
Hopefully the tennis-playing Pope Leo pulls some strings to make it all happen and break up this monopoly.

 

[SirCraigoryy]

We need a grass masters 1000 before we talk about a 5th slam imo.

Edit: but IF a 5th is added it should be on indoor hardcourt as that’s the only missing slam surface but I'm content and happy with the 4 we currently have.

 

[Mainad]

The Four Slams are a triumph of Anglo-Atlanticist sporting supremacy with a nod to the Continent called the FO.

Where does the AO fit into this Anglo-Atlanticist affair?

 

[Mainad]

The Italian promoter Binaghi is suggesting sharing of the slams. Has met with the Pope.
Where is it written that the clay slam must be held in Paris every year? Share it with Rome.
Hopefully the tennis-playing Pope Leo pulls some strings to make it all happen and breaks up these monopolistic practices.

What should he do, threaten to place Paris under an interdict (old fashioned expression for forbidding church services) unless Paris agrees to share with Rome?

 

[Bartelby]

We're an English colony and we were all British subjects with no Australian citizenship until after WWII.

Without this connection there would never have been an Australian slam.

Where does the AO fit into this Anglo-Atlanticist affair?

 

[Incognito]

No, that should be Russia, they dope better.

Expect @Bartelby to come at you for that comment

 

[tennislover2]

If there is a 5th grand slam, I hope it is in the southern hemisphere may be during Feb/Mar when it is summer there. May be in South America? But unlikely that will happen because the financial math may not workout.

 

[Oval_Solid]

how about they fix the weird shadows on court first

 

[socallefty]

If they do a 5th Slam, I hope it is Indian Wells.

 

[Bartelby]

A tennis slam is a form of intellectual property so the body that runs the slams could sell-off KFC-style franchises, but that would destroy the exclusivity.

There will be no slams ever unless the ATP decides to invent a "me-too" series of slams, but they show no interest in doing so.

 

[Bartelby]

Italy dopes better as they dope without any real penalty. That's always better!

No, that should be Russia, they dope better.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Players need about 3 months to adequately prepare for a slam.
There is simply no room on the calendar for a fifth slam.
If a fifth is added it will likely come at the cost of reduced participation and huge losses to one of the existing slams.

 

[am1899]

Yeah, that makes sense. Lol.

 

[messiahrobins]

To me they’re both de facto 250s. I think Egg feels the same way at this point in time.

Think u r mixing up Paris indoors and Miami maybe?

 

[Sudacafan]

Players need about 3 months to adequately prepare for a slam.
There is simply no room on the calendar for a fifth slam.
If a fifth is added it will likely come at the cost of reduced participation and huge losses to one of the existing slams.

Oh, that’s perfect. 12 months in one year / 4 slams = 1 slam every 3 months.

But real life proves this is wrong: So bad they would never be prepared for Wimbledon, if they play Roland Garros.
The Channelslammers must be geniuses.
Wimbledon comes one month exactly after Roland-Garros. And many players have been playing those two in the same year for decades. This means they can perfectly play a slam every month.
Therefore, my proposal is that they play 12 slams per year. Imagine, in not a long time, GOAT candidates should have like say 70 or 80 slams. So exciting.

Well, after this deep elaboration, now are we all in agreement that 4 slams is fine, and nobody should even dare to question this again?

Thank you.

 

[darthrafa]

Nobody needs a 5th Slam. Unless they want to disrupt all tennis stats to date. We were happy with 4 for more than 100 years. Why change?

in fact, i would like to have three only (different surfaces) and have masters on grass

 

[Lleytonstation]

in fact, i would like to have three only (different surfaces) and have masters on grass

Getting rid of WC will never happen lol

 

[Sudacafan]

in fact, i would like to have three only (different surfaces) and have masters on grass

No, I’m afraid we still need four. Asking for three is like being an extremist of the opposite sign.
BTW, do you have an agenda of keeping the Big Three records intact forever?

 

[Sudacafan]

Getting rid of WC will never happen lol

What is WC, a toilet?

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

Wimbledon comes one month exactly after Roland-Garros.

And that is why you can count the number of men to have won the Channel Slam in the modern era with one hand.


Grass is an outdated surface and should be done away with.

 

[Sudacafan]

And that is why you can count the number of men to have won the Channel Slam in the modern era with one hand.

The number is not far from the ones that won AO and RG the same year.

 

[Sudacafan]

Grass is an outdated surface and should be done away with.

Agree. It’s also not environmentally friendly. We should replant forests.

 

[Bartelby]

... so says the Glyphosate salesman!

And that is why you can count the number of men to have won the Channel Slam in the modern era with one hand.


Grass is an outdated surface and should be done away with.

 

[NYTennisfan]

Don't need a 5th slam, probably need less Masters. The tennis season is just too packed, it's like one masters right after the other especially from Indian Wells to Rome then one week then Roland Garros. It has to be taxing on these guys.

It's weird. There's a big break between the Australian Open and Indian Wells then again between the French Open and Wimbledon then again between Wimbledon and The Canadian Masters yet it's tightly clustered between Indian Wells and The French Open. There has to be a better way to spread out these big tournaments. Take out a clay masters and add a grass masters.

 

[socallefty]

We need a grass masters 1000 before we talk about a 5th slam imo.

How about making Wimbledon a grass Masters 1000 and Indian Wells the fourth Slam? Maybe they can move Miami before IW to give players some prep.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

in fact, i would like to have three only (different surfaces) and have masters on grass

Are you proposing three slams: Wimbledon: Grass, Paris: Clay and NYC: Hard court. Sounds attractive.
Players are whining that the season is much too long so the obvious solution is to put Melbourne on the chopping block.
All the players hate traveling down to Australia. Which is why players skipped it for nearly 100 years and why Margaret's Slam counts are marginalized and ridiculed.


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[RSJfan]

Think u r mixing up Paris indoors and Miami maybe?

I don’t think so but I’ll look into it.

 

[RSJfan]

Are you proposing three slams: Wimbledon: Grass, Paris: Clay and NYC: Hard court. Sounds attractive.
Players are whining that the season is much too long so the obvious solution is to put Melbourne on the chopping block.
All the players hate traveling down to Australia.

AO has always been the red-headed stepchild slam. And your fav Egg has used it to inflate his stats. Your suggestion to terminate it is an excellent one.

 

[Bartelby]

The AO is a player favourite and it starts the season off with a bang, so I'd advise you not to go into business. You lack acumen.

Are you proposing three slams: Wimbledon: Grass, Paris: Clay and NYC: Hard court. Sounds attractive.
Players are whining that the season is much too long so the obvious solution is to put Melbourne on the chopping block.
All the players hate traveling down to Australia. Which is why players skipped it for nearly 100 years and Margaret's Slams are marginalized.

 

[Lleytonstation]

What is WC, a toilet?

Am I the only one that uses that for Wimbledon Championship.

 

[Sudacafan]

Am I the only one that uses that for Wimbledon Championship.

Maybe the only I am aware of.

 

[RSJfan]

Oh, that’s perfect. 12 months in one year / 4 slams = 1 slam every 3 months.

But real life proves this is wrong:…

Thank you for both doing the math and demonstrating that the world can not be reduced to complex mathematical calculations like 12 divided by 4.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Maybe the only I am aware of.

This cant be true. Someone here has to use that too. AO/FO and WC eh?

 

[Sudacafan]

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Is that Sinner’s granny?

 

[Sudacafan]

Thank you for both doing the math and demonstrating that the world can not be reduced to complex mathematical calculations like 12 divided by 4.

Sorry for being a disruptive individual at the same time.

 

[Better_Call_Raul]

italy got some main position in ATP and tennis establishment. since that has many players from italy commit in top. italy got some really big events as DC final, hopman cup final, WTF and of course their biggest star was catch for doping but got some holiday as "punishment". and now they want to have 5th slam. i had very hard to believe that no other country could not get better offer to any of those big events! and some people think that PTPA did their lawsuit for nothing.

Italy is the world's tennis powerhouse featuring Sinner and Jasmine Paolini. Rome deserves to host a slam.
Italia will make an offer that nobody can refuse.

Article in Italian

I've used google translate:

According to rumors published today in La Stampa, Fitp has formalized an offer to the organizers of the Madrid Masters 1000 to acquire the tournament week. There would be 550 million dollars on the table .

The possible acquisition would thus allow the Internazionali d'Italia to have the much-dreamed-of expansion to two full weeks, which until now has only been granted to Slam tournaments in the calendar. For the tournament to become a "fifth Slam" in all respects, the approval of the Grand Slam Committee - formed by the current 4 Majors - would then be needed, a more complicated matter however.

The Federation's expansion project would also include the construction of a new stadium , most likely where the Grand Stand Arena now stands, to accommodate the large crowd of fans that flock to the tournament every year. In 2024, the event recorded 358,000 spectators, with an overflowing facility, at times in serious difficulty in accommodating them.

A feasible path? The cards are on the table. All that remains is to wait for Madrid's response.

 

[Sudacafan]

Italy is the world's tennis powerhouse featuring Sinner and Jasmine Paolini. Rome deserves to host a slam.
Italia will make an offer that nobody can refuse.

I am starting to feel uneasy.

 

[RSJfan]

Is that Sinner’s granny?

Sorry for being a disruptive individual at the same time.

Please do not apologize for delivering to TTW what may be uncomfortable truths.

 

[RSJfan]

Italy is the world's tennis powerhouse featuring Sinner and Jasmine Paolini. Rome deserves to host a slam.
Italia will make an offer that nobody can refuse.

 

[GoatNo1]

Italy is the world's tennis powerhouse featuring Sinner and Jasmine Paolini. Rome deserves to host a slam.
Italia will make an offer that nobody can refuse.

ok, why dont do it transparent. we have DC final, hopman cup final, WTF, 5th slam AND china, katar, saudi, emirates and so on had offered this but italy offered this and it is clearly better offer?!! why it was not like that? BUT all we got to know is that italy got all those big events and nothing more? was it a transparent tender? if not, as it was not, so it is very conspicuous that all that got italy now that italians have most power in the ATP! plus all what happened with sinner!

 

[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

It's too close to Roland Garos, maybe move it to March if you make it a Grand Slam?

Weather's going to be a factor. Won't work.

 

[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

Italy? Srsly the land of dopers lol

If a new it should be held in china

Yes, Chinese athletes never doped.

 

[Dane_is_Finnish_OJ]

Rome should be a 1 week tournament like all the other M1000s.

Indian Wells and Madrid aren't one week.