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#51
That is because the other players are looking for an excuse for their loss
Yes of course, Fed had an excuse after he won the Berrettini match.

"He said it’s obvious to measure how slow the court played in his match against Berrettini, judging by the fact the boom server finished with just three aces against the former World No. 1."
 

Bartelby

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#52
It's an umbrella organisation primarily responsible for protecting the rights to the concept of a slam. And it does some testing. So it has some legal significance, but they are not the beneficial owners or operators.

But the ITF does have certain control over the Grand Slam events.

"The ITF organizes and sanctions the 'Official Tennis Championships of the International Tennis Federation', commonly known as the Grand Slam events"
 
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#53
If they "curtailed" slow surfaces as well as faster ones and made all surfaces medium-paced, there would be some justification for that. It's kind of weird that tennis has different surfaces to begin with. But the problem is that most surfaces are now quite a bit slower than would have been considered medium-paced before the movement towards "curtailing" certain surfaces.
 
#55
If they "curtailed" slow surfaces as well as faster ones and made all surfaces medium-paced, there would be some justification for that. It's kind of weird that tennis has different surfaces to begin with. But the problem is that most surfaces are now quite a bit slower than would have been considered medium-paced before the movement towards "curtailing" certain surfaces.
Agreed.

They claim they want to rid tennis of this "a fairly one-dimensional sport that only certain kinds of styles really benefit from ". Yet how is slowing down all the fast/medium fast courts not a one-dimensional approach?
 

sredna42

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#56
Of course I read the article. I posted it here before you did. What is clear is that you didn't read the article

We are not able to disclose the results,” said Jamie Caple-Davies, the head of the ITF’s science and technical department, “as these are provided to the (club) in confidence.”

And then you also claim:



When Neil Stubley is also referenced in the article
My god, I swear fanbots are a cancer in tennis.
 
#57
Did you read what Federer said:

Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal butt heads over Wimbledon court speed

https://www.news.com.au/sport/tenni...d/news-story/f33a018ec417d4ddfce27ed9b5588dd7

Nadal is “the only player” that said the court speed is that same as in 2003. That’s way out of line to what all the other players have said.
To be fair, it is in Nadal's best interests to stay what he said. He definitely doesn't want AELTC to speed up the courts. Otherwise, he'd go back to being bounced out of the first week. If I were him, I'd be saying the same thing he said. Meanwhile, you have other guys like Pella, Sousa, and Verdasco who all say that it plays much more like clay than it used to.
 
#58
To be fair, it is in Nadal's best interests to stay what he said. He definitely doesn't want AELTC to speed up the courts. Otherwise, he'd go back to being bounced out of the first week. If I were him, I'd be saying the same thing he said. Meanwhile, you have other guys like Pella, Sousa, and Verdasco who all say that it plays much more like clay than it used to.
I dont think SureshS considers those guys as tennis players. Nadal is the only "real" tennis player he knows.
 
#61
The implication here is that baseline ball bashing is a style that's 'appealing for both players and spectators'
I'm pretty sure not all players prefer ball bashing, especially when there's "25" seconds between points after 15+ shot rallies in scorching conditions.
 
#64
[QUOTE="icedevil0289, post: 13539338, member: 48571]

Also was pretty sure whats keeping the sport afloat atleast on the atp side is the big 3 and that it would be dead outside of it. i mean again i did not watch the tennis back in the 90s or before that but heard tennis was doing well and I would imagine the diverse personalities along with diverse style of play had a part in that[/QUOTE]
While it is true as far as this goes, it is also true that the demise of tennis was predicted again and again in the 90s, most famously by Sally Wertheim with her article Tennis Is Dead, that the speed of the courts /game was lamented as too fast (yes!) and the lack of rivalries was bemoaned. Certainly, the tennis of today cannot be accused of being too fast (sic!) nor is there an absence of rivalries. And NOW, tennis fans yearn for the diversity they once had. When they had it, they called it lack of match-up and rivalries.

What's so dire about the current state of the game? We have three of the greatest locked in a slam race to death. There was nothing like this in the 90s because it was Sampras and daylight before the rest. Yes, the courts are slow but when Sampras and Ivanisevic pounded 140mph aces in the Wimbledon final, people didn't like that either. But tennis is just a game played out between whomsoever are the top pros of the day. It cannot be whatever imaginary ideal people want to see. Why can't we just enjoy this while it lasts? When the Big Three are done, the tournaments will handle it. Or maybe they won't. But it's nothing we can control anyway.

Note: My post is not directed at you specifically. I just thought what you said was a good starting point to build on. If the 90s was so good, why did people want 90s tennis changed so bad? Hint: Because they had a nostalgic longing for the days of Edberg vs Becker and perhaps foolishly thought slowing down the game would bring it back. But what it did bring was and has been awesome in its own way too. There are problems but why is everyone in a tennis forum so gloomy, lol.
 
#65
I don't quite understand the OP's quote. Do they want to mitigate the perceived "abuse" of super fast surfaces in ITF tournaments, or do they want to mitigate the perceived "curtailing" of super fast surfaces in ITF tournaments? It's pretty ambiguous as written, although by context, I guess they mean the former.

I mean, we've seen some countries host Davis Cup ties in absurdly fast courts (thinking Czech Republic and the like.)

Although we've seen the opposite extreme too - like that legendary ultra slow clay court in the 2004 DC final, that Roddick allegedly likened to "beach sand."
 
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#67
I don't quite understand the OP's quote. Do they want to mitigate the perceived "abuse" of super fast surfaces in ITF tournaments, or do they want to mitigate the perceived "curtailing" of super fast surfaces in ITF tournaments? It's pretty ambiguous as written, although by context, I guess they mean the former.

I mean, we've seen some countries host Davis Cup ties in absurdly fast courts (thinking Czech Republic and the like.)

Although we've seen the opposite extreme too - like that legendary ultra slow clay court in the 2004 DC final, that Roddick allegedly likened to "beach sand."
Agree
 
#68
“We want to try and maintain the traditions of the sport...bla..bla...bla"

Which is why you made Wimbledon play so slow everyone and their grandmother commented on it.

The tradition of the sport is that grass plays fast, period.
I think the tradition of Wimbledon is to make as much money as possible.
 
#69
Like this is a secret? They slowed it down, so Fed can be challenged and they can make money. I mean, any decent business person would do the same. But I don't blame them, fans prefer their guy to win rather having it "fair", so it's our own fault too.
 
#70
Like this is a secret? They slowed it down, so Fed can be challenged and they can make money. I mean, any decent business person would do the same. But I don't blame them, fans prefer their guy to win rather having it "fair", so it's our own fault too.
True. Its really obvious.

So why would Nadal say the speeds are the same as far back as 2003?

He comes out as a maniac.
 
#71
Of course Wimbledon is as slow as it gets. Watching the first semi and it’s basically a slug fest from the baseline. And just look at the court. The baseline is basically dirt while the rest of the court looks like it’s hardly been played on.
 
#72
True. Its really obvious.

So why would Nadal say the speeds are the same as far back as 2003?

He comes out as a maniac.
I don't know, all pros say all kinds of crazy stuff all the time. You think their ego is letting them admit that they have an unfair edge? Also, they are mostly pandering to the press too, after all good press relations mean more money to them. Why take everything they say like it's gospel?
And it probably started even before Federer, Sampras having boring fast matches, so less attraction. But now they saw that Fed is even better than Pete, so they had to slow it down even more. You think Nadal will say clay field is weak, what will he gain from that? You think Djokovic will say this era is weak from young players? Are you crazy, he makes money from the illusion, why would he say that?
 
#73
Of course Wimbledon is as slow as it gets. Watching the first semi and it’s basically a slug fest from the baseline. And just look at the court. The baseline is basically dirt while the rest of the court looks like it’s hardly been played on.
Poetic Justice would be:

GSM Agut 2019 Wimbledon Champion. :laughing::laughing:
 
#74
I don't know, all pros say all kinds of crazy stuff all the time. You think their ego is letting them admit that they have an unfair edge? Also, they are mostly pandering to the press too, after all good press relations mean more money to them. Why take everything they say like it's gospel?
And it probably started even before Federer, Sampras having boring fast matches, so less attraction. But now they saw that Fed is even better than Pete, so they had to slow it down even more. You think Nadal will say clay field is weak, what will he gain from that? You think Djokovic will say this era is weak from young players? Are you crazy, he makes money from the illusion, why would he say that?
I am glad Nadal said what he said. Just shows where his priorities lie.

I think slowing down the courts is a much bigger issue than a weak field. It’s purposeful tampering to achieve a certain outcome. It would have started after Fed started to rise but it was not this blatantly obvious.
 
#75
I am glad Nadal said what he said. Just shows where his priorities lie.

I think slowing down the courts is a much bigger issue than a weak field. It’s purposeful tampering to achieve a certain outcome. It would have started after Fed started to rise but it was not this blatantly obvious.
Why is it an issue? In the end people pay to be entertained and not for things being fair. Still a lot better than pure socialism. Does anyone really get hurt by this minor tweaking?
 
#77
Sounds like a quote from a Lenin/Trotsky/Stalin playbook. Literally.
There is a huge difference between a social policy versus socialism, just like there is a huge difference between capitalism and corporatism. Like in MMA, none of the extremes are good. Just because focusing 100% on boxing is bad for MMA, that doesn't mean focusing decent amount on boxing is bad. A healthy mix is what in reality works best, it has been proven. And just because someone says something, doesn't mean they are evil like Lenin. Hey wasn't HItler vegetarian, that doesn't mean vegetarians are Evil.
 

BeatlesFan

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#78
Anyone who supports homogenization of surfaces is not a true fan of tennis.
Absolutely true, but 75% of TTW are just obsessives of one guy. The other 25% are actually fans of the sport of tennis. For the others, the moment their guy hangs it up, they check out and never watch another match. Sad, but true. I've been buoyed by seeing a couple die hard Rafa fans supporting Felix, maybe there's hope!
 
#79
The implication here is that baseline ball bashing is a style that's 'appealing for both players and spectators'
That is very debatable.... didn't we just see that at the last major? Do we need to see it again? Serve and volley, chip and charge, heck even all court play is also a style.
 
#81
It is, but I am not the one making the decisions
I know, I don't blame you. I sent a complaint to Wimbledon on their site... they dismissed it and said no changes have been made to the courts or balls... ok, I guess I am blind and all the commentators and almost all players are wrong too!
 
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