It's that time again..who has the hardest draw?

Which of the big 4 has it the toughest?

  • Nadal

    Votes: 44 44.4%

  • Djokovic

    Votes: 8 8.1%

  • Federer

    Votes: 24 24.2%

  • Murray

    Votes: 23 23.2%
  • Total voters
    99
Djokovic: Wouldn't Want to be Like You

Man, that's a nasty draw: Chardy followed by Anderson, then possibly Bags (no shoo in to be there himself in the 3rd). There are great matchups higher in that quarter...Robredo/Lu, Sod/Petzschner with that winner facing Hewitt. Malisse has grass down. OMG, very many challenges on his weakest surface, with no tourney preparation!
 
ksbh said:
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He looks like Nick Giannopoulos crossed with Alfred Molina.
 
SStrikerR said:
I'd say...
Nadal
Murray
Federer
Djokovic

Nadal takes the top spot, because, historically, his biggest threats are big hitters/servers. Raonic could be tricky for him, as well as many of the other guys he'll have to play. He'll only have 1 or 2 "easy" rounds.
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Okay seriously maybe I am missing it and maybe you can help me see this but going through his rounds.

R1: Russel meets neither criteria so I am going to give

R2: Andjur or Sweeting meets neither criteria

R3: Raonic and Mueller fall into this category but Muller hasn't been playing well at all as of late and can't see him coming close to Nadal. Raonic definitely is tricky.

R4: Simon/Del Potro/Sela/a handful of qualifiers. Del Potro is a 'big hitter' but on grass he usually strikes out..However even on grass I don't see on what grounds he poses a threat to a Nadal. Nadal last year and in 2008 showed no problem when it came to big hitting guys look at how he dispatched of Berdych and Soderling who are both far better on grass then Del Potro has ever proven to be so sell me on Del Potro. He moves bad on the surface, his volleys are not top notch for grass and he is 3-3 there, 11-7 in total on grass and couldn't even beat Adrian Mannarino in London...I'm just not buying it. We won't even go into Simon or Sela and we can't be sure who the qualifiers are.

QF:Berdych/Fish/Verdasco/Stepanek/Haase It seems likely that Berdych should go through, but only Berdych knows who makes it through, see his whole career for that. I can't image Fish or Chokedasco posing a remote threat, Stepanek might get a QF because of how much of a trainwreck this part of the draw is or even Haase who then I guess could cause Rafa trouble he does have a big serve and road him out last year, but again that is speculating a guy ranked outside the top 50 makes it to the QF. If as #1 in the world and you get a #50+ in the QF of the biggest tournament of the year I am sorry that is nothing to be complaining about. Haase is no Goran either when it comes to serve.

So maybe I am missing things and someone can explain it better to me...
 
Boricua said:
Nadal will have to play his best to beat Del Potro. Del Potro is the dark horse and is getting into Topt Ten form rapidly.
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In his last appearance (the year he made the most noise, winning a Slam), he was routined by Hewitt in straights, and he lost to a relative nobody at Queen's. He is not going to make much happen at W. USO is a different matter now.
 
Nadal and Fed both have nothing in their draws. Raonic is the only player that stands out, but is inexperienced on grass and could only provide a 5 set shock ala Hasse and Petz last year, if he even gets that far. This is destined to be a top 4 semi again.
 
Ripster said:
One of the myths of TW. A two-time Wimbledon semi-finalist and finalist at Queen's sucks on grass?

If he can get by Federer I'm predicting he'll win the tournament even if he faces Nadal (who he loves to play), Murray (who chokes in finals) or anyone else in the draw.
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Novak doesn't suck on grass, but he's not a god on it either. He usually loses to the first in form player he plays at Wimbledon. He won't beat Federer.
 
MichaelNadal said:
Nightmare for Rafa early on, he's gonna have to be SHARP right out of the gate.
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Why, because of grass GOAT Andujar w/ his 0 career grass wins could be in round 2?

Raonic is the only one that stands out, other than that his draw is nothing. Let's not build up the likes of Andujar and Muller (he's still playing?) into world beaters to make draws look tough.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
Why, because of grass GOAT Andujar w/ his 0 career grass wins could be in round 2?

Raonic is the only one that stands out, other than that his draw is nothing. Let's not build up the likes of Andujar and Muller (he's still playing?) into world beaters to make draws look tough.
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Nadal has two easy first round but after that he has big servers.

Haas or Raonic
Del Potro
Berdych

Remember last year, Nadal played well but the grass was so fast that big servers like Haase and Petzchner made close matchs.
 
Heracles said:
Nadal has two easy first round but after that he has big servers.

Haas or Raonic
Del Potro
Berdych

Remember last year, Nadal played well but the grass was so fast that big servers like Haase and Petzchner made close matchs.
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Haas hasn't even played regularly in nearly a year. Could be dangerous but not very likely. Raonic would be tough given his game, but given his lack of experience on grass it's not likely that he'd be able to take 3 of 5 sets from Nadal. Think Gulbis in 08 as far as how that match could play out.

Delpo is a non entity on grass. He's not likely to get that far, and if he did Nadal would handle him EASILY. Berdych is Nadal's pigeon and hasn't even been in form recently, so it's not a given he'll even make the QF.

People look at names and get all excited, but you have to be rational and take the total picture. Barring a monumental upset, it's unlikely that any of those guys will beat Nadal before the semis.
 
What the hell. Murray has by far the toughest draw. What is with all the votes for Nadal and Federer.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
Haas hasn't even played regularly in nearly a year. Could be dangerous but not very likely. Raonic would be tough given his game, but given his lack of experience on grass it's not likely that he'd be able to take 3 of 5 sets from Nadal. Think Gulbis in 08 as far as how that match could play out.

Delpo is a non entity on grass. He's not likely to get that far, and if he did Nadal would handle him EASILY. Berdych is Nadal's pigeon and hasn't even been in form recently, so it's not a given he'll even make the QF.

People look at names and get all excited, but you have to be rational and take the total picture. Barring a monumental upset, it's unlikely that any of those guys will beat Nadal before the semis.
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It's also completely unlikely that Federer, Djokovic and Murray are going to lose before the semi, even if Gasquet has a chance against Murray.

But between these 4 draw the question is to ask which one is the hardest. Djokovic draw is the easiest. Federer's one is not hard at all. So it's between Murray and Nadal.
 
Heracles said:
It's also completely unlikely that Federer, Djokovic and Murray are going to lose before the semi, even if Gasquet has a chance against Murray.

But between these 4 draw the question is to ask which one is the hardest. Djokovic draw is the easiest. Federer's one is not hard at all. So it's between Murray and Nadal.
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Honestly none of the above, none of them have killer draws since the field after them is so weak anyways. Outside of a massive upset, there really is no one that is any major threat IMO. That's why it's silly to ask who's draw is toughest. I actually voted for Djokovic, but what do I know. None of them look all that difficult.
 
They all look pretty easy, Murray and Nadal maybe the toughest, but not really a huge threat to either of them.
 
Fix your signature

Heracles said:
It's also completely unlikely that Federer, Djokovic and Murray are going to lose before the semi, even if Gasquet has a chance against Murray.
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You completely misquoted me in your signature.

This is the quote from the Japan Open 2010 thread:

Bud said:
He did play great... both guys did up until the last few games.

Rafa served 18 aces in the match!
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From this thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=351839

Don't take another's words out of context, mix in some of your words and then throw quotes around it. Have you ever taken a composition class? This behavior would earn you a failing grade :oops:

Fix (or delete) the quote or I'll ask a moderator to fix it for you.
 
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You can always ask. But you just provided me the confirmation of the sig.

What's your problem exactly? You said that Nadal played great in that match and it is ridiculous.
 
Heracles said:
You can always ask. But you just provided me the confirmation of the sig.

What's your problem exactly? You said that Nadal played great in that match and it is ridiculous.
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Quote me correctly or I'll have it deleted. When you quote somebody, you use their exact wording. This is 6th grade level composition. You do not make up a bunch of crap, throw quotes around the mess and then attribute it to another person. Do you understand that?
 
Bud said:
You completely misquoted me in your signature.

This is the quote from the Japan Open 2010 thread:



From this thread: http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=351839

Don't take another's words out of context, mix in some of your words and then throw quotes around it. Have you ever taken a composition class? This behavior would earn you a failing grade :oops:

Fix (or delete) the quote or I'll ask a moderator to fix it for you.
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Wow, wow, wow. Now I know you are making things up, Nadal could never make so many aces! Just like that made up crap where he volleyed more times with a higher percentage rate than Federer. Total BS!

Listen, you need to face it Bud. Nadal has always had it easy, when he was any rank period. And Federer always had it hard, not matter what.
 
jackson vile said:
Wow, wow, wow. Now I know you are making things up, Nadal could never make so many aces! Just like that made up crap where he volleyed more times with a higher percentage rate than Federer. Total BS!

Listen, you need to face it Bud. Nadal has always had it easy, when he was any rank period. And Federer always had it hard, not matter what.
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What a complete d-bag Heracles is, to make up a bunch of crap and then falsely attribute it to me.
 
Bud said:
Quote me correctly or I'll have it deleted. When you quote somebody, you use their exact wording. This is 6th grade level composition. You do not make up a bunch of crap, throw quotes around the mess and then attribute it to another person. Do you understand that?
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Happy now the cry baby? :twisted:
 
jackson vile said:
You don't remember the forum rules, Nards = wrong always ****s = correct always.

They live in a fictional world that is TW.
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I'm praying for his sake he's like 15 and has never written a term paper. He pulls that crap in college, he'll receive a nice fat F :)
 
Bud said:
I'm praying for his sake he's like 15 and has never written a term paper. He pulls that crap in college, he'll receive a nice fat F :)
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You aren't looking at the bright side, there is always a place for stupid people at Fox news and it subsidiaries. They need people, I am loosely using people here, also don't they?
 
Bud said:
You've been reported. If it's not fixed to reflect the exact quote, I'll retaliate with my own signature and you won't like it ;)
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I passed the age of being so much affected by a sig. Grow up. I just find totally ridiculous that someone could say that Nadal played great when he was almost defeated by the 54th player in the world. You said that Nadal played great because you said that both played great, both include Nadal so it is correct.
 
who ever drew Simon got the hardest draw since he is the standard by which great grass court tennis is measured


Omega_7000 said:
And here we go again! Federer & Djokovic in the same half. Looks like Nadal will win another Major without having to go through ("The King") this year!
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do you ever quit b**ching about Nadal? it must be incredibly boring to be you
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I know Delpo hasn't exactly been the best mover on grass, but I wouldn't dismiss him as a non-entity jbf. A quick scan of his past grass court matches showed me that he's played a lot of nasty opponents in basically all of his grass tournaments. Nadal, Hewitt, Karlovic, Federer...those aren't exactly grass slouches. Yeah the hewitt match was kind of unexpected but remember, hewitt played very well that year. Think he pushed Roddick to 5 in the qtrs.

Basically, he's got the serve and forehand. That alone is going to beat most of his early opponents(haven't checked his draw though) I doubt he's playing anyone of the caliber I just mentioned.
 
Heracles said:
I passed the age of being so much affected by a sig. Grow up. I just find totally ridiculous that someone could say that Nadal played great when he was almost defeated by the 54th player in the world. You said that Nadal played great because you said that both played great, both include Nadal so it is correct.
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When you quote someone, you use their EXACT words. Is that too much for your peabrain to comprehend?

If you saw it, both Nadal and Troicki played an excellent match up until the last few games of the 3rd set. That is reflected in my quote, which you failed to transcribe properly. You're dishonest and a liar.
 
Murray has the hardest imo. Beating Cilic, Wawrinka, Roddick, Nadal and then Federer is probably one of the worst case scenarios if you were cherry picking the toughest draw for him.
 
jamesblakefan#1 said:
Why, because of grass GOAT Andujar w/ his 0 career grass wins could be in round 2?

Raonic is the only one that stands out, other than that his draw is nothing. Let's not build up the likes of Andujar and Muller (he's still playing?) into world beaters to make draws look tough.
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You're hilarious. Delpo on any surface isn't easy.
 
Pwned said:
You can't be much of a Federer fan to say what he quoted, especially here at Wimbledon.
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I think Fed has a much better chance of beating Nadal in the SF than the F + Nadal/Djokovic final will be more balanced as Nadal won't have a backhand to exploit.
 
Omega_7000 said:
You sound frustrated.
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oh really? let's look into a mirror:

Omega_7000 said:
And here we go again! Federer & Djokovic in the same half. Looks like Nadal will win another Major without having to go through ("The King") this year!
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Omega_7000 said:
I wanted Fed to be in Nadal's half, so atleast he wouldn't gift Nadal another Major if he reached the finals...
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Omega_7000 said:
Brad Gilbert is a certified *******.
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Omega_7000 said:
I really hope & pray Fed destroys Nadal if they meet in the finals. Or Djokovic if he gets past Fed. Either way I hope your boy gets demolished so you can stfu!
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Omega_7000 said:
True fact: A big part of Nadal's gameplan revolves around gamesmanship.
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Omega_7000 said:
It's amazing how you seem to lose track of time when Nadal takes MTO's & wastes time before each serve.
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Omega_7000 said:
Very interesting question Comet Buster. The answer is Nadal. It's not like he hasn't been warned about on-court coaching before either.
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Omega_7000 said:
Nadal at the 2010 USO was in lucky mode.......not god mode.
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Omega_7000 said:
Knee, Exhaustion, Abdomen tear, pain in ***, tired, choking on banana, not playing my best no?, opponents celebration (hypocrite), sun in eyes, cramp etc. etc. etc.
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Omega_7000 said:
)Oh so you do exit Nadal's rear after all. You should do it more often.(
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this was taken from your last 25 posts, sounds to me like your the frustrated one, you remind me of the late PAgony and his "broken record" posting habits

Omega_7000 said:
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no thanks,I'll express my opinion on you whenever I want
 
If Nadal loses to anyone before the final of the 2011 Wimbledon it is likely to go down as THE biggest sporting upset of all time.

Apart from Murray who doesn't really belong anywhere near the top 4 (Delpo is actually a recent slam winner so is the logical world no. 4) there is no way ever that the top 4 seeds are going to even drop a break of serve in reaching the semi-finals.

How the hell do the ranking systems work to enable a slamless joke into the top 4 when there is actually a legit slam contender and winner in Delpo who floats around the 20s. It's as bad as Wozniacki's situation.
 
tennis_fan_182 said:
Apart from Murray who doesn't really belong anywhere near the top 4 (Delpo is actually a recent slam winner so is the logical world no. 4) there is no way ever that the top 4 seeds are going to even drop a break of serve in reaching the semi-finals.

How the hell do the ranking systems work to enable a slamless joke into the top 4 when there is actually a legit slam contender and winner in Delpo who floats around the 20s. It's as bad as Wozniacki's situation.
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......is it worth my time...to explain why a man who is a runner up in a major this year and a semifinalist in another as well is defending two master series titles over the past two weeks is number 4 over a guy who missed a year of tennis and hasn't won a major since 2009...
 
Omega_7000 said:
Errr ok & you're telling me to not express mine? Hypocrite much?
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please don't make stuff up, I never said anything like that
express yourself all you want, my point is you sound to me like a boring broken record, deal with it

by the way, you were the one to post that STFU picture, not me
it's always the same crap with you,accusing people for the stuff you do

Omega_7000 said:
Don't see you crying about all the ******* hate posts either.
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I'm crying on the inside
 
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fundrazer said:
I know Delpo hasn't exactly been the best mover on grass, but I wouldn't dismiss him as a non-entity jbf. A quick scan of his past grass court matches showed me that he's played a lot of nasty opponents in basically all of his grass tournaments. Nadal, Hewitt, Karlovic, Federer...those aren't exactly grass slouches. Yeah the hewitt match was kind of unexpected but remember, hewitt played very well that year. Think he pushed Roddick to 5 in the qtrs.

Basically, he's got the serve and forehand. That alone is going to beat most of his early opponents(haven't checked his draw though) I doubt he's playing anyone of the caliber I just mentioned.
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Yeah but he lost to Mannarino in Queens after Manno had played what 2 matches in a day or something like that. I doubt he'll make the 4th round, but if he does all things considered Rafa should beat him easily.

And FWIW the list of guys he's beaten on grass isn't that stellar either - Sanguinetti, Clement, Snobel, Jamie Baker, Kunitsyn...not exactly murderer's row. I like Delpo as much as anyone on here, but I'm just being realistic. Given his record on grass up to this point he should not be considered as a serious threat to Nadal on grass.

Also it's strange that SOME OF the same Nadal fans that are now listing Delpo as a serious threat to Rafa were some of the ones that wrote off his wins over Rafa in 09 as flukes and claimed Nadal was injured in all of those matches. :?

MichaelNadal said:
You're hilarious. Delpo on any surface isn't easy.
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11-7 on grass and never past the 2nd round of Wimbledon, even in his best season? Delpo isn't a proven grass courter, until he proves it he is a non entity as far as being a threat at Wimbledon. For Nadal, Del Potro on grass should be easy, given that earlier this season Nads beat JMDP on HC which is his best surface and of course not Nadal's best.
 
I would like someone to explain to me how Nadals draw is hard. As a Nadal fan I am actually thrilled with his draw. A series of pigeons or mediocre grass courters.
 
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