It's time for a slam in Asia.

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
In economics and marketing, people always talk about the BRIC market, BRIC being Brazil, Russia, India, and China.
These markets are growing rapidly. India, China, and Russia combined are home to over 2.8 billion people. They are world centers of commerce, production, and exchange.
So why does a continent that houses 3 of the world's biggest 4 economic hot spots and 60 percent of the world's population not have a slam?

I propose adding a 5th slam, a grass court slam, in either Hong Kong, Delhi, or Kyoto. These cities all have sizable populations and are projected to have major economic development in the future.

What do you guys think? Should Asia get a slam? If so, what should it look like and where would it be?
 
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West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Nope. You can’t buy or manufacture tradition with money.

Forgetting Russia, there’s no sign that tennis will stick long term in China or India. Right now in those 2 countries it’s only played by the 0.00001%.

A longer fall swing in Asia (whack 3 of the 250s in EU in the fall), another 1000, a long run with the year end Tour Final. Maybe move the Tour Final to Singapore after the ladies leave or move it to Shenzhen in the new facility they’re making for the ladies and make it a joint event.
 
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Deleted member 756486

Guest
We don’t need a third HC Slam.
Or a second clay slam..
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MasturB

Legend
Nope. You can’t buy or manufacture tradition with money.

Forgetting Russia, there’s no sign that tennis will stick long term in China or India. Right now in those 2 countries it’s only played by the 0.00001%.

A longer fall swing in Asia (whack 3 of the 250s in EU in the fall), another 1000, a long run with the year end Tour Final. Maybe move the Tour Final to Singapore after the ladies leave or move it to Shenzhen in the new facility they’re making for the ladies and make it a joint event.

There's, zero reason to axe the 250s on the EU.

They do financially much better independently without needing government funding and support like the Chinese tournaments
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
The 4 majors have been set in stone since 1925.

But sure, lets make add a 5th slam now because Asia has money atm /s
The way I see it, Asia is the center of the world right now, politically, economically, and culturally. Making a new slam will help spread tennis throughout the Asian market, just like practically everything else is entering the Asian market.
 

MugOpponent

Hall of Fame
I'd rather keep things as they are but for the sake of speculation, I could live with a grass slam in Japan as long as Rome becomes a slam. That way you have two of each surface.

Personally I don't see how the calendar could manage all of it.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
I'd rather keep things as they are but for the sake of speculation, I could live with a grass slam in Japan as long as Rome becomes a slam. That way you have two of each surface.

Personally I don't see how the calendar could manage all of it.
The calendar could manage all of it if we were to scrap a few of the other events. If we're going to have two slams on each surface, I would make the second clay tournament in Asia as well. Kyoto on the grass in Japan, Mumbai on the clay court in India seems like a good combo.
 
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ANDYbhGENIUS

Professional
The way I see it, Asia is the center of the world right now, politically, economically, and culturally. Making a new slam will help spread tennis throughout the Asian market, just like practically everything else is entering the Asian market.

Are you not feeling well?

The words coming from your fingertips do not make sense, even less so when using false analogies.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
Are you not feeling well?

The words coming from your fingertips do not make sense, even less so when using false analogies.
It actually does make sense. Tell me why a country with 67 million people should have 6 ATP events while the second most populous country in the would has just one 250 level event. It's stupid, frankly.
If the ATP wants to make tennis more accessible, they need to bring it to where the people are.
 
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ANDYbhGENIUS

Professional
It actually does make sense. Tell me why a country with 67 million people should have 6 ATP events while the second most populous country in the would has just one 250 level event. It's stupid, frankly.
If the ATP wants to make tennis more accessible, they need to bring it to where the people are.

They bring it to where the money is, not where the most people are. Many are the poor.
 
When you are too busy digging the next hole to crap in and dragging a bucket of polluted water up the hill to drink for the day you dont care about tennis that much.

Most of Asia is third world at best

Players dont want to go there. There are no fans.

Only communist money could buy what they have now.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
When you are too busy digging the next hole to crap in and dragging a bucket of polluted water up the hill to drink for the day you dont care about tennis that much.

Most of Asia is third world at best

Players dont want to go there. There are no fans.

Only communist money could buy what they have now.
I'm not talking about putting a slam in the middle of rural China or in a shanty town in India or in the middle of Siberia. I'm talking about Hong Kong, Tokyo, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Jakarta- big, business-filled cities with relatively wealthier populations.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
It actually does make sense. Tell me why a country with 67 million people should have 6 ATP events while the second most populous country in the would has just one 250 level event. It's stupid, frankly.
If the ATP wants to make tennis more accessible, they need to bring it to where the people are.

It's about per capita income, not population, especially when it comes to a sport like tennis. Further also whether this wealthy population is actually interested in tennis. Mumbai is larger than Pune/Chennai but those two cities have a better tennis tradition. Hence, when Chennai Open had to be moved, it was to Pune. China has badminton, India has cricket, don't see either of those as particularly great destinations for tennis. And if you leave them out, the rest of Asia, barring Japan, is no more attractive than Europe/USA (just in terms of demographics, that is). Back to China, tell me again why the WTF at London has done so much better as a tournament than the earlier Masters Cup at Shanghai.
 

Simon_the_furry

Hall of Fame
It's about per capita income, not population, especially when it comes to a sport like tennis. Further also whether this wealthy population is actually interested in tennis. Mumbai is larger than Pune/Chennai but those two cities have a better tennis tradition. Hence, when Chennai Open had to be moved, it was to Pune. China has badminton, India has cricket, don't see either of those as particularly great destinations for tennis. And if you leave them out, the rest of Asia, barring Japan, is no more attractive than Europe/USA (just in terms of demographics, that is). Back to China, tell me again why the WTF at London has done so much better as a tournament than the earlier Masters Cup at Shanghai.
I would say the tournaments they do have in China are doing very well.
 

Dolgopolov85

G.O.A.T.
I would say the tournaments they do have in China are doing very well.

This article says otherwise.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...china-to-host-wta-finals-till-2028/109559346/

"Attendance has been a concern at ATP and WTA events in China in recent years, particularly at new tournaments in cities such as Wuhan and Tianjin". Only Shanghai has done well and even it started life as a year ending championship before taking the place of Madrid indoors.
 

helixx

Hall of Fame
In economics and marketing, people always talk about the BRIC market, BRIC being Brazil, Russia, India, and China.
These markets are growing rapidly. India, China, and Russia combined are home to over 2.8 billion people. They are world centers of commerce, production, and exchange.
So why does a continent that houses 3 of the world's biggest 4 economic hot spots and 60 percent of the world's population not have a slam?

I propose adding a 5th slam, a grass court slam, in either Hong Kong, Delhi, or Kyoto. These cities all have sizable populations and are projected to have major economic development in the future.

What do you guys think? Should Asia get a slam? If so, what should it look like and where would it be?
No! They have WTA Finals ( which should be also in Europe ), I think thats enough.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
If you want a new GS in Asia, then make it in a new type of surface not an already existent. That's boring and repetitive IMO. Why more grass?

Blue clay GS in Hong Kong!!


I know it sounds non-realistic but a half-grass, half-clay court would also be great:

 
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KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
No because this makes the slam record meaningless. As would changing slam matches to BO3 or any other format change.

Move the YEC back to Shanghai or Hong Kong, Singapore whatever. Use the same surface it had in 2006-2008: fast indoor purple HC. Sick of the slow boring London 02 surface.
 

kevaninho

Hall of Fame
If you want a new GS in Asia, then make it in a new type of surface not an already existent. That's boring and repetitive IMO. Why more grass?

Blue clay GS in Hong Kong!!


I know it sounds non-realistic but a half-grass, half-clay court would also be great:


Another Rafa victory.:p
 

Backspin1780

Semi-Pro
When you are too busy digging the next hole to crap in and dragging a bucket of polluted water up the hill to drink for the day you dont care about tennis that much.

Most of Asia is third world at best

Players dont want to go there. There are no fans.

Only communist money could buy what they have now.

Lol what? Dubai, qatar, singapore, taiwan and many more ultra modern asian cities would make london, new york etc look like rat infested, poverty stricken, gun violence, knife crime, beggars everywhere, pickpockets, muggers everywhere - 3rd world slums. And dont even get me started on the litter, public urination, streets smelling of pee and homeless people all over london, new york etc. The 50,000 yearly moped crimes and acid attacks in london right now
 

thrust

Legend
In economics and marketing, people always talk about the BRIC market, BRIC being Brazil, Russia, India, and China.
These markets are growing rapidly. India, China, and Russia combined are home to over 2.8 billion people. They are world centers of commerce, production, and exchange.
So why does a continent that houses 3 of the world's biggest 4 economic hot spots and 60 percent of the world's population not have a slam?

I propose adding a 5th slam, a grass court slam, in either Hong Kong, Delhi, or Kyoto. These cities all have sizable populations and are projected to have major economic development in the future.

What do you guys think? Should Asia get a slam? If so, what should it look like and where would it be?
NO!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
BRIC was something of an intellectual construct, whereas the reconstruction of the Eurasian landmass under Chinese hegemony is a practical work in rapid progress.

BRIC was thought to be the new world order but that was 10 years ago. Brazil has struggled economically and from internal issues with demographic specific violence. India has been a very poor investment with a lot of western companies having to pull out and sell their stakes. Russia has geopolitical issues and the only thing they have to offer is energy products. And China, yes it is growing but that growth is under the context of communist control. The Chinese have a lot of problems in the future having to feed 2 billion people and once wages go up and thus prices, there will be less demand for these exports.
 

onehandbh

G.O.A.T.
When you are too busy digging the next hole to crap in and dragging a bucket of polluted water up the hill to drink for the day you dont care about tennis that much.

Most of Asia is third world at best

Players dont want to go there. There are no fans.

Only communist money could buy what they have now.

Which country are you referring to?
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Someone mentioned tradition.

Tennis is an Anglo-Franco sport. So if we really did another Slam, it should be in the country that marries English and French tradition/culture: Canada.

As a bonus, if you held it in Vancouver, you'd get a huge contingent of Asian fans anyway :p
 

winstonlim8

Professional
Speaking as an Asian, NO!

We don't need or possess the tennis history for a new Slam. What we need is for the big guns to come and give clinics when they retire. That would be a major boost for what is essentially an elitist sport in Asia.
 
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