sooo, basically you agree with McEnroe that Lendl has a bigger one?
Now I try to explain the content of my previous post.
Slam:
here is the biggest difference because
JC has the same slams despite having lost fifteen slam participations for the reasons we all know (especially in Melbourne).
Overall titles, masters, YE tournaments: here the confrontation is complicated because the Wikipedia masters (and recognized by all media) are wrong,
JC did not participate to WCT Finals in its prime period simply because he was not take part to the WCT Circuit, nor even at three editions of th Masters GP, basically he didn't win Masters until 1977 because he wasn't there. On the overall titles where the two ATGs are equal, IMHO JC if he had participated to all Big Titles (- fifteen slams and 7 or 8 YEC)
he would have lost about twenty titles overall.
What I want to argue ultimately is that while Ivan played a near-normal calendar (just about because he participated in a big number of not-sanctioned), JC playing half-career in the 70s, the 70s was a decade of anarchy, and for various reasons he did not participate in a lot of big titles playing a lot of non-slam tournaments and not WCT, and would certainly have won 20-25 fewer tournaments under normal conditions but easily some slams more in Melbourne and a few more YEs ( 3 or 4).
For this reason I think that while in the JC slams is to be considered much more competitive, in the other big titles the two have quite similar performances while in the overall titles in all likelihood Lendl was better.
Surfaces: while on the grass the difference is substantial, as well as on the clay, it is also true that JC has won a lot on har-tru (also a USO), so the distances are reduced.
In HC Lendl he was a great performer, but JC was devastating until 1984.
He won only 3 USOs because Flushing only started playing when the american had exceeded his peak. In the indoor fields I think the two are actually on the same level (IMHO slightly the two are inferior to Mac), it is true that JC dominated the tournaments of the American circuit (Phila, Memphis ...) but in the not sanctioned Ivan was disruptive.
Shots or extra shots (mental, movement, ...) and head-to-head: here is a reasoning to do, in the sense that while Lendl played at a very high level until he was 33, JC made two different careers: up to 1984 and post 1984. Until 1984 despite FH 'Lendl was> FH JC the difference was not obvious (just look at USO 82-83), what I want to say is that until 1984 without serving Lendl could not beat JC from the baseline . After 1984 Lendl was >>> JC, hence also with baseline shots. This is also found in the second part, after Ivan has always won 1984, but JC had retired at the end of 1984 (at 32, like many others) he told another story.
