Ivanisevic: Djokovic gave Nadal a "tennis lesson", claims he's never seen Nadal so "powerless" at RG

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
You have not even tried to counter my factual post. You just state meaningless opinions. Ultimately history judges players on Slams.
Nadal leads. End of.
Also Surface Slam beats DCS. One is proof of greatness one is longevity. Both great achievements but Surface Slam for me and Channel Slam next.

He leads but he just hasn't had the better career, and what is this surface Slam nonsense? It's something Nadal fans invented. Djokovic won 4 in a row. It doesn't come close to that.

Which career is better?

Nadal
AO (1) - 5%
RG (13) - 65%
W (2) - 10%
USO (4) - 20%

Djokovic
AO (9) - 47.4%
RG (2) - 10.5%
W (5) - 26.3%
USO (3) - 15.8%

Hmm...:unsure:
 

Beckerserve

Legend
He leads but he just hasn't had the better career, and what is this surface Slam nonsense? It's something Nadal fans invented. Djokovic won 4 in a row. It doesn't come close to that.

Which carer is better?

Nadal
AO (1) - 5%
RG (13) - 65%
W (2) - 10%
USO (4) - 20%

Djokovic
AO (9) - 47.4%
RG (2) - 10.5%
W (5) - 26.3%
USO (3) - 15.8%

Hmm...:unsure:
3 majors one season on 3 surfaces. Surface slam. It happened in 2010. Not made up
Nadal has the better career than Djokovic. More Majors despite less on his best surface.
Djokovic is more consistent no doubt. Nadal greater. So is Federer.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Pete has a lot to answer for. LOL

But it was interesting to hear Laver talk about only Federer and Djokovic. Lets see what happens next, sport is quite an unpredictable thing when it wants to be.

Yea Pete did this. Mostly mugging it up in Masters and then caring only about Slams. Lol

Yea Nadal is not out of it yet and I don't think he is done. He'll be back. It's just fun to put salty fans like this one in their place. :happydevil:
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
3 majors one season on 3 surfaces. Surface slam. It happened in 2010. Not made up
Nadal has the better career than Djokovic. More Majors despite less on his best surface.
Djokovic is more consistent no doubt. Nadal greater. So is Federer.

Lol and it's not much different than any other 3 Slam year. The only thing I give that more credit for is winning 3 in a row. I could care less about some surface Slam nonsense. Ok, whatever you say. No one is buying what you are selling though.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Lol and it's not much different than any other 3 Slam year. The only thing I give that more credit for is winning 3 in a row. I could care less about some surface Slam nonsense. Ok, whatever you say. No one is buying what you are selling though.
Sorry what surfaces do you think FO W and USO were on in 2010? Im sure they were clay grass and hard. Not a sales pitch. Just a statistic.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Two sides of this; brilliant tactical win by Djokovic + Nadal's movement is nowhere close to its best anymore.

A sidenote:
We have threads from Djokovic' people about breaking all the records, giving Nadal lessons, Nadal doesn't have a chance, Novak is sent from God, he is The Chosen One. Federer must retire. etc etc. Those are the same people that has called Federer arrogant...

It's interesting to see how eagerly Djokovic' entourage is flying the flag for arrogance all of a sudden :cool:
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Sorry what surfaces do you think FO W and USO were on in 2010? Im sure they were clay grass and hard. Not a sales pitch. Just a statistic.

I know what surfaces they were played on but I don't think it's in the conversation of winning 4 in a row, and neither does most other people.
 

Sephiroth

Hall of Fame
How did he go from "Nadal has no chance in these conditions, Novak's in Nadal's head" etc etc to "Novak wasn't ready"?
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JasonZ

Hall of Fame
3 majors one season on 3 surfaces. Surface slam. It happened in 2010. Not made up
Nadal has the better career than Djokovic. More Majors despite less on his best surface.
Djokovic is more consistent no doubt. Nadal greater. So is Federer.

no nadal is not greater than djokovic. like agassi is not greater than mcenroe.

federer is still the greatest as of now.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
no nadal is not greater than djokovic. like agassi is not greater than mcenroe.

federer is still the greatest as of now.
Agassi is greater than Mcenroe. 8 is more than 7. Nadal is greater than Djokovic. 20 is more than 19.
Nadal v Federer? 50/50 but for many W2008 the TB.
 
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TheNachoMan

Guest
Agassi is greater than Mcenroe. 8 is more than 7. Nadal is greater than Djokovic. 20 is more than 19.
Nadal v Federer? 50/50 but for many W2008 the TB.
I guess Emerson is better than Laver and Borg going by this logic? Wilander better than Becker? lol
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I guess Emerson is better than Laver and Borg going by this logic? Wilander better than Becker? lol
Cannot comment about Laver era as it was not open era and i have not looked at dates etc.
Wilander is better than Becker yes. I hate to say it but he won more Majors so has the bragging rights.
 
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TheNachoMan

Guest
Cannot comment about Laver era as it was not open era and i have not looked at dates etc.
Wilander is better than Becker yes. I hate to say it but he won more Majors so has the bragging rights.
Becker was more consistent and had greater longevity than Wilander who fizzled out after 1988. 1 slam is not such a big difference to draw a conclusion based on who is better by it.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Becker was more consistent and had greater longevity than Wilander who fizzled out after 1988. 1 slam is not such a big difference to draw a conclusion based on who is better by it.
Wilander had more Majors. Better career as a result. I hate wilander.
Becker is more remembered due to Wimbledon. Fame v better career is always an interesting debate.
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
Wimbledon 2008 was a final bud. But Federer 3-1 Nadal at Wimbledon. The reason W2008 is significant is because 20-20. Should be 21-19 Federer.
RG2020 right now is as big as W2008.
I mean how else is 20-19 explained? Last major final between Nadalovic was FO2020

And if Nadal had won their RG meeting this year it would be 21-18 instead of 20-19. It's Nadal's turf, he has the burden there. Nadal will have to beat Djokovic in Australia to make up for this. 20-19 is explained by their whole careers, not one match. You could say he's ahead because of USO 2013, or RG 2014, or any other match he won, not just that one. Nadal has been winning slams consistently since 2005, right since he won the first one. Djokovic has been winning them since 2011 and he's still only one away and is a year younger (not to mention being ahead in virtually everything else).
 

catskillthunder

Professional
The revenge narrative is for the fans. I don't thank Rafa plays into any of that bulletin board material to give him extra motivation. His motivation is giving his all and doing his best.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
And if Nadal had won their RG meeting this year it would be 21-18 instead of 20-19. It's Nadal's turf, he has the burden there. Nadal will have to beat Djokovic in Australia to make up for this. 20-19 is explained by their whole careers, not one match. You could say he's ahead because of USO 2013, or RG 2014, or any other match he won, not just that one. Nadal has been winning slams consistently since 2005, right since he won the first one. Djokovic has been winning them since 2011 and he's still only one away and is a year younger (not to mention being ahead in virtually everything else).
No bud. Nadal cannot win eternally at RG. He has nothing to prove. Burden is on Djokovic to match Nadal. Last Major final was RG2020 so at the moment its relevant. By end if year may not be.
 
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joohan

Guest
Should they not wait until next year? What if Nadal comes back and beats Novak at RG?

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So Rafa has one good year left, then? I don't understand the logic of this statement. This sort of "after" trash talk will be long forgotten next time they face each other, really. Except for this esteemed forums, of course.
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
The revenge narrative is for the fans. I don't thank Rafa plays into any of that bulletin board material to give him extra motivation. His motivation is giving his all and doing his best.

So naïve lol.

People take sh1t talk very personally. Just witness the animosity between the Federer and Djok camps.
 

beard

Legend
Only thing I'm upset about is that I won't be seeing Rafa play in the upcoming months and the disrespectful comments made by Goran atm
Still not used on his off clay breaks?
I will tell you what to expect...
USO perhaps, AO struggling, MC and clay rebirth... Nadal fans are often in zzzz mode off clay...
 

catskillthunder

Professional
So naïve lol.

People take sh1t talk very personally. Just witness the animosity between the Federer and Djok camps.

For the sake of argument, I will go ahead and assume you spelled class incorrectly. When has the Nadal camp ever engaged in any banter from other camps?
 

irishnadalfan1983

Hall of Fame
https://www.sportskeeda.com/tennis/...gave-tennis-lesson-mallorcan-goran-ivanisevic
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Goran Ivanisevic believes Novak Djokovic played "perfect" tennis and thoroughly outgunned Rafael Nadal after losing the first set of their Roland Garros semi-final clash. Speaking to Tennis Majors, Goran Ivanisevic said he was confident a repeat of last year's final would be avoided once his charge had reeled off three games in a row. The Croat even went on to claim that from the second set onwards Rafael Nadal was "powerless" in the face of the World No. 1's assault.

"What happened in the second, third and fourth set… I have never seen Rafa so powerless at Roland-Garros," he added. "I feel like Novak could have won the third set sooner, but overall, his tennis was perfect."

According to Ivanisevic, the Serb was "not ready" to face Nadal in last year's final, but turned the tables on the Spaniard this time around, handing him a "tennis lesson."

"I mean, I have a right to say what I want to say," the former Wimbledon champion said. "I had my own reasons; I am part of Novak Djokovic's team and it is normal that I believe in my player. This year, he gave a tennis lesson to Nadal. I am not gloating; simply put, last year Novak was not ready, but this year he was mentally solid and prepared for the battle."

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Lot of gloating by the Novak camp it seems. Should they not wait until next year? What if Nadal comes back and beats Novak at RG?

He is such an a**hole...
 

Rosstour

G.O.A.T.
Furthermore, weak minded and insecure people take sh*t talk personally.

It's naive to think that these guys are competitive enough to become the three greatest players in a sport that already attracts massively selfish people...and then somehow be cool enough not to let this stuff bother them?

Michael Jordan was famous for taking sh1t talk personally no matter who it came from. Whether it was another player, a writer, or his own GM...it was easy to make him feel slighted and he enjoyed making people pay for slighting him. And he was about as mentally tough as they come.
 

catskillthunder

Professional
It's naive to think that these guys are competitive enough to become the three greatest players in a sport that already attracts massively selfish people...and then somehow be cool enough not to let this stuff bother them?

Michael Jordan was famous for taking sh1t talk personally no matter who it came from. Whether it was another player, a writer, or his own GM...it was easy to make him feel slighted and he enjoyed making people pay for slighting him. And he was about as mentally tough as they come.

From that perspective of using it as fuel I can understand. I took it as someone being adversely effected by another person sh*t talking them.
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Still not used on his off clay breaks?
I will tell you what to expect...
USO perhaps, AO struggling, MC and clay rebirth... Nadal fans are often in zzzz mode off clay...
One can be used to something without necessarily enjoying it...And I may be predominantly a fan of Rafa but it won't stop me from being interested when he's not playing especially since I enjoy watching many other players
 

beard

Legend
One can be used to something without necessarily enjoying it...And I may be predominantly a fan of Rafa but it won't stop me from being interested when he's not playing especially since I enjoy watching many other players
Great, hope you enjoy Wimbledon... Don't miss opening, it's champion on central court, traditionally..
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Great, hope you enjoy Wimbledon... Don't miss opening, it's champion on central court, traditionally..
I have exams and unfortunately I even missed watching much of RG live, but I'll do my best to enjoy Wimbledon or at least parts of it. Ngl I'm curious to see what happens in terms of the little tontos who haven't played on grass almost at all their whole career
 

beard

Legend
I have exams and unfortunately I even missed watching much of RG live, but I'll do my best to enjoy Wimbledon or at least parts of it. Ngl I'm curious to see what happens in terms of the little tontos who haven't played on grass almost at all their whole career
Exams? I knew you are young (other argue if you remember, considering woman)... ;)

Anyway good luck with exams... :)
 

Legend of Borg

G.O.A.T.
It's naive to think that these guys are competitive enough to become the three greatest players in a sport that already attracts massively selfish people...and then somehow be cool enough not to let this stuff bother them?

Michael Jordan was famous for taking sh1t talk personally no matter who it came from. Whether it was another player, a writer, or his own GM...it was easy to make him feel slighted and he enjoyed making people pay for slighting him. And he was about as mentally tough as they come.

Is tennis really a breeding ground for more narcissistic type personalities compared to say football or basketball?

I'm pretty sure I've seen plenty of Ronaldo or Messi stans talking insane amounts of smack about the opposition.

Maybe because tennis is 1v1, there's no team setting, etc?
 

El_Yotamo

Hall of Fame
Exams? I knew you are young (other argue if you remember, considering woman)... ;)

Anyway good luck with exams... :)
I never denied being young lmao. But yes, I'm a graduate student in mechanical engineering with bachelor's degrees in mechanical engineering and materials engineering
 

Kdude

Rookie
Boys in truth it was a bad beat down. Nadal looked lost in the last set and didn't have a clue to handle a superior athlete and better ball striker. Lets face it Nadal's loopy strokes are old school and the modern players will eat that stuff up. Just my .02$ , flame away ;)
 

BauerAlmeida

Hall of Fame
No bud. Nadal cannot win eternally at RG. He has nothing to prove. Burden is on Djokovic to match Nadal. Last Major final was RG2020 so at the moment its relevant. By end if year may not be.


Oh, right. This match is not relevant because it wasn't a final although he ended up winning the tournament LOL.
 
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