Ivanisevic: Djokovic gave Nadal a "tennis lesson", claims he's never seen Nadal so "powerless" at RG

[Beckerserve]

Aiming for the body is a legit shot, yes, not the face. Lol.

You can aim at face. I always do. Perfectly legal.

 

[El_Yotamo]

acting shocked that Goran Ivanisevic is wearing his heart on his sleeve. Did you just get into tennis yesterday?

Not necessarily shocked, just disgusted and not condoning it...

 

[NoleFam]

It is 20-19 lol. RG2020 therefore more significant. If they ended on 20-19 RG2020 will be the decisive match. So Novak has work to do.

Yea 20-19 instead of 21-18 like it would have been. This RG has turned out to be much more important in the Slam race. I have no idea what you are harping about.

 

[Beckerserve]

Yea 20-19 instead of 21-18 like it would have been. This RG has turned out to be much more important in the Slam race. I have no idea what you are harping about.

20 is more than 19. Slam Race the most important thing as admitted by Djokovic. There is a thread on his interview with a Serbian paper in another big forum. So RG2020 had Djokovic won as he should have done according to Ivanisevic and team djokovic would mean Djokovic and Federer now co goats due to leading slam race. But Nadal won. So its Fedal. But the show goes on. All 3 still can win Majors. Game on.

 

[NoleFam]

20 is more than 19. Slam Race the most important thing as admitted by Djokovic. There is a thread on his interview with a Serbian paper in another big forum. So RG2020 had Djokovic won as he should have done according to Ivanisevic and team djokovic would mean Djokovic and Federer now co goats due to leading slam race. But Nadal won. So its Fedal. But the show goes on. All 3 still can win Majors. Game on.

You're either delusional or too butthurt over RG 2021 to see the obvious. Lol. Djokovic is within one of both Federer and Nadal for the 1st time in his career. He is in much better position now than either Federer or Nadal going forward.

 

[TheNachoMan]

20 is more than 19. Slam Race the most important thing as admitted by Djokovic. There is a thread on his interview with a Serbian paper in another big forum. So RG2020 had Djokovic won as he should have done according to Ivanisevic and team djokovic would mean Djokovic and Federer now co goats due to leading slam race. But Nadal won. So its Fedal. But the show goes on. All 3 still can win Majors. Game on.

Your obsession with RG 20 would be like Novak fans obsessing over USO 11 after the 13 loss. lol

 

[weakera]

Goran lives in a world of make-believe.

2015: SPW%: 64.7%; RPW%: 45.4%
2021: SPW%: 63.6%; RPW%: 44.2%

 

[Hitman]

You're either delusional or too butthurt over RG 2021 to see the obvious. Lol. Djokovic is within one of both Federer and Nadal for the 1st time in his career. He is in much better position now than either Federer or Nadal going forward.

Your obsession with RG 20 would be like Novak fans obsessing over USO 11 after the 13 loss. lol

Even if Djokovic wins the next two slams and takes the lead, it will still be about RG 2020.

 

[TheNachoMan]

Even if Djokovic wins the next two slams and takes the lead, it will still be about RG 2020.

Novak wins CYGS, OG and YEC

thats nice and all, but what about RG 20?

 

[NoleFam]

Even if Djokovic wins the next two slams and takes the lead, it will still be about RG 2020.

RG 2020 will always be the most important Slam because it was in a final...

 

[Hitman]

Novak wins CYGS, OG and YEC

thats nice and all, but what about RG 20?

RG 2020 will always be the most important Slam because it was in a final...

Bud - But what about RG 2020? It was a slam final and still all to play for.

Everyone else -

 

[sredna42]

Not necessarily shocked, just disgusted and not condoning it...

Oy VEEEEYYYY!!!!

 

[GameSetDjokovic]

Sorry to break it to you guys but by the time this year is done Novak will have 21 GS titles.
So yeah enjoy the 20>19 before Wimbledon is over.

 

[Hitman]

Sorry to break it to you guys but by the time this year is done Novak will have 21 GS titles.
So yeah enjoy the 20>19 before Wimbledon is over.

I wonder what my good friend Pantera is thinking now, when Nadal was at 19 slams and Federer at 20 he had Nadal as GOAT. Never said anything about it being all about the slam count.

Nadal is the Greatest of All Time..he was before USO but now its undisputed. 12 FOs alone is just unreal. Multiple Majors on All Surfaces...superior h2h v his rivals at the Majors, and leader of Masters 1000 table...plus Olympic Gold...the guy is obviously GOAT.

The thing is he loves shutting people up. Its is motivator. More people write him off the more he shuts them down.

His great rival Djokovic is not far behind but it is noticeable between these two goats whenever there has been a bit of history or extra significance on a match (rome this year, USO 2013 for no.1, FO 2012) Nadal has come out on top. Ultimately thats the difference between the two greatest of all time...Nadal more clutch.

 

[Omega_7000]

If this doesn't push Nadal to whoop his a** I dunno what will. Poor move again Goran...
Also, what's with this lack of humility? Honestly talking like that is just gross in my opinion and could negatively affect Novak's already poor public image without him having done anything wrong himself

At some point you have to wonder if Novak is talking through Goran and Srdjan....I mean how come none of the other coaches trash talk on their players' behalf

 

[GameSetDjokovic]

I wonder what my good friend Pantera is thinking now, when Nadal was at 19 slams and Federer at 20 he had Nadal as GOAT. Never said anything about it being all about the slam count.

It is only about the slam count as long as Djokovic is behind. Unfortunately for them they will need to find another criteria soon.

 

[El_Yotamo]

At some point you have to wonder if Novak is doing the talking through Goran and Srdjan....I mean how come none of the other coaches trash talk on their players' behalf

This is a fair point, however I have plenty of reasons already to dislike Novak and tbh don't need more. Also, I'd rather be wrong and innocent than wrong and accusing so while this may be the case I won't assume it is

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Goran doing his part time job as TTW thread generator with skill and great heart

 

[Krish872007]

I wonder what my good friend Pantera is thinking now, when Nadal was at 19 slams and Federer at 20 he had Nadal as GOAT. Never said anything about it being all about the slam count.

I think we know very well what he is thinking now, we do see an awful lot of him these days

 

[Beckerserve]

Your obsession with RG 20 would be like Novak fans obsessing over USO 11 after the 13 loss. lol

Well no bud as USO 2011 did not put Djokovic ahead in slam race. Duh lol

 

[Beckerserve]

You're either delusional or too butthurt over RG 2021 to see the obvious. Lol. Djokovic is within one of both Federer and Nadal for the 1st time in his career. He is in much better position now than either Federer or Nadal going forward.

It is 20-20-19. Prefer Fedal position bud. Dkokovic somehow messes Wimbledon up its game over if a Next Gen tags him. If Federer beats him just lol. The gloating from Federer fans will be on a new level of gloats

 

[Deleted member 688153]

does he really need to be such a d1ck about it?

he won convincingly yeah, but no need to gloat, that's only gonna make rafa more determined to win next time

 

[Beckerserve]

does he really need to be such a d1ck about it?

he won convincingly yeah, but no need to gloat, that's only gonna make rafa more determined to win next time

Its salty butthurt over RG2020. He mentions it twice lol

 

[El_Yotamo]

If Federer beats him just lol. The gloating from Federer fans will be on a new level of gloats

Extremely unlikely but if it happens I'll be happy to join them as well. It would be well deserved on both sides

 

[NoleFam]

It is 20-20-19. Prefer Fedal position bud. Dkokovic somehow messes Wimbledon up its game over if a Next Gen tags him. If Federer beats him just lol. The gloating from Federer fans will be on a new level of gloats

Even if Djokovic loses Wimbledon, he still has USO and AO where he can reach 20 or even 21.

 

[Beckerserve]

Extremely unlikely but if it happens I'll be happy to join them as well. It would be well deserved on both sides

If Federer won W id be delighted. His tennis is much more pleasing than Djokovic so 9-5 would be more representative than 8-6 Wimbledon titles

 

[TheNachoMan]

If Federer won W id be delighted. His tennis is much more pleasing than Djokovic so 9-5 would be more representative than 8-6 Wimbledon titles

3-0, bud.

 

[Beckerserve]

Even if Djokovic loses Wimbledon, he still has USO and AO where he can reach 20 or even 21.

Gets harder and harder as pressure would be more acute. This is where being behind in slam race is a problem. No margin for error. Its like a soccer team being behind in the league with games in hand. The pressure often tells when they need to win.

 

[Beckerserve]

3-0, bud.

When did Djokovic beat peak Federer at W bud?

 

[NoleFam]

Gets harder and harder as pressure would be more acute. This is where being behind in slam race is a problem. No margin for error. Its like a soccer team being behind in the league with games in hand. The pressure often tells when they need to win.

If you need to tell yourself these things to make you feel better about how things have turned then ok. Federer is almost 40. He is not going to much of a factor going forward and this Wimbledon is probably his last chance at a Slam. Nadal just lost at his pet Slam that he dominated for 16 years, where he only had 2 losses before this year. His confidence has taken a hit plus the field is catching up, and can now beat him in BO5 on hardcourt. Djokovic has won the last 2 Slams and keeps his edge over the field. He can afford to lose Wimbledon and still go into the USO as a big favorite, plus he has about 2 or 3 more years to add more Slams. This past RG put him in the best position of the 3. You can tell yourself otherwise if you want rather than face reality.

 

[Beckerserve]

If you need to tell yourself these things to make you feel better about how things have turned then ok. Federer is almost 40. He is not going to much of a factor going forward and this Wimbledon is probably his last chance at a Slam. Nadal just lost at his pet Slam that he dominated for 16 years, where he only had 2 losses before this year. His confidence has taken a hit plus the field is catching up, and can now beat him in BO5 on hardcourt. Djokovic has won the last 2 Slams and keeps his edge over the field. He can afford to loses Wimbledon and atill go into the USO as a big favorite, plus he has about 2 or 3 more years to add more Slams. This past RG put him in the beat position of the 3. You can tell yourself otherwise if you want rather than face reality.

Lol such a long post. It is 20-20-19. Djokovic the 3rd wheel at the moment. Expecting nadal to win RG every year is fanciful. One bad day every decade or so is to be expected haha. Nadal for now is GOAT marginally ahead of Roger. Roger wins W its game over Roger is GOAT.
If Roger or Rafa end as goat victory is complete. The good guys win.

 

[TheNachoMan]

The good guys win.

 

[NoleFam]

Lol such a long post. It is 20-20-19. Djokovic the 3rd wheel at the moment. Expecting nadal to win RG every year is fanciful. One bad day every decade or so is to be expected haha. Nadal for now is GOAT marginally ahead of Roger. Roger wins W its game over Roger is GOAT.
If Roger or Rafa end as goat victory is complete. The good guys win.

Rafa is GOAT? Lol. Ok.

 

[Beckerserve]

Rafa is GOAT? Lol. Ok.

According to the pros like swartzman popyryn rublev sharapova et al.

 

[NoleFam]

According to the pros like swartzman popyryn rublev sharapova et al.

Probably because they thought he would win 2021 RG and have the record.

 

[TheAssassin]

We know who was all cocky prior to the clay season/RG. Rub it in Goran.

 

[Beckerserve]

Probably because they thought he would win 2021 RG and have the record.

Lol not when they referred to current stats such as 20 Majors.

 

[NoleFam]

Lol not when they referred to current stats such as 20 Majors.

As things have come into focus, he's not the GOAT. There's no way he's above Djokovic even with one more major.

 

[Hitman]

As things have come into focus, he's not the GOAT. There's no way he's above Djokovic even with one more major.

Laver recently only mentioned Federer and Djokovic in that argument.

 

[Beckerserve]

As things have come into focus, he's not the GOAT. There's no way he's above Djokovic even with one more major.

Nadal is way ahead actually. Only one Major on his best surface. The Surface Slam. Olympic Gold. Level on Masters 1000 despite half the amount on his best surface.
The question is really is Djokovic being inflated being considered 3rd. Ill bet Sampras and Borg would have more Majors had they had 2 on their best surface. Fedal certainly would be over 25.

 

[Hitman]

I think we know very well what he is thinking now, we do see an awful lot of him these days

Yes, we do.

 

[NoleFam]

Nadal is way ahead actually. Only one Major on his best surface. The Surface Slam. Olympic Gold. Level on Masters 1000 despite half the amount on his best surface.
The question is really is Djokovic being inflated being considered 3rd. Ill bet Sampras and Borg would have more Majors had they had 2 on their best surface. Fedal certainly would be over 25.

No. Nadal's one major is not enough to make up for no double career Slam, 120 weeks less time at #1, being too surface heavy with 65% of his Slams at one major, no ATP finals, no winning all the Masters, no Rafa Slam, etc. Then the head to head comes into play. Djokovic beat Nadal twice at his best Slam. Nadal has not beaten him once.

 

[NoleFam]

Laver recently only mentioned Federer and Djokovic in that argument.

Laver knows what the deal is. Lol

 

[Beckerserve]

No. Nadal's one major is not enough to make up for no double career Slam, 120 weeks less time at #1, being too surface heavy with 65% of his Slams at one major, no ATP finals, no winning all the Masters, no Rafa Slam, etc. Then the head to head comes into play. Djokovic beat Nadal twice at his best Slam. Nadal has not beaten him once.

You have not even tried to counter my factual post. You just state meaningless opinions. Ultimately history judges players on Slams.
Nadal leads. End of.
Also Surface Slam beats DCS. One is proof of greatness one is longevity. Both great achievements but Surface Slam for me and Channel Slam next.

 

[Hitman]

Laver knows what the deal is. Lol

Yep, I'll take his word over some Schwartzman any day....as the saying goes....Takes a GOAT to know a GOAT.

 

[Beckerserve]

Laver knows what the deal is. Lol

He tweeted Nadal.is GOAT many times. Always puts a Goat emoji when tweeting Rafa as well. However he is not a current player and has never played the trio.

 

[NoleFam]

Yep, I'll take his word over some Schwartzman any day....as the saying goes....Takes a GOAT to know a GOAT.

I get that some of those players like Nadal and prefer him over the other 2, but that's where making everything about Slam count has damaged the overall viewpoint of the game when you are talking about who the greatest is.

 

[Hitman]

I get that some of those players like Nadal and prefer him over the other 2, but that's where making everything about Slam count has damaged the overall viewpoint of the game when you are talking about who the greatest is.

Pete has a lot to answer for. LOL

But it was interesting to hear Laver talk about only Federer and Djokovic. Lets see what happens next, sport is quite an unpredictable thing when it wants to be.

 

[TheAssassin]

Laver recently only mentioned Federer and Djokovic in that argument.

Laver knows what the deal is. Lol

Legendary Rocket on one side. Some salty Bull fan on the other. Whose side should we lean on...

 

[Hitman]

Legendary Rocket on one side. Some salty Bull fan on the other. Whose side should we lean on...

I'll go with the one who is not on antidepressants.