Ivanisevic : "It might seem crazy to say that, but I'd like Djokovic and Nadal to be on the same half of the draw"

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Goran = Biff
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Sport said:
No, they aren't. They are exactly the same regardless of whether he faces Rafa in the final or SF.

Nadal has disputed 13 RG SF. Has lost 0.
Nadal has disputed 13 RG F. Has lost 0.

Nadal winning percentage is exactly the same both in RG SF and RG F.
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Nadal has played, on average, lower seeded players in the 13 RG Sfs he "disputed" (lol). So actually Djokovic's odds are higher.
 
Lol the posters in this thread are like rabid dogs foaming at the mouth at any imagined sense of disrespect to their favorite player
 
“Although, I always believe that first our Balkan mentality is special, different, more resourceful, the best. I’m not just talking about Novak as a tennis player. But in general, in all sports and all branches outside of sports. That is why the West is afraid of us, we are good. Novak is special, a genius, a perfectionist.”
Hint: it’s not Srdjan talking.
 
Goran has less appreciation for tennis greatness than any former player I've ever seen.
 
Why the hate? Absolutely logical argument, Novak was a stupendous net touch error away from A and then 5-2 in the fifth, in their last semi. Seems some Rafa fans have worse OCD than their hero.
 
Adman said:
Why the hate? Absolutely logical argument, Novak was a stupendous net touch error away from A and then 5-2 in the fifth, in their last semi. Seems some Rafa fans have worse OCD than their hero.
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Yeah, if not for that monumental choke in the 2013 RG SF, Djokovic would've had a DCGS right now along the NCYGS and DCGM. But it is what it is. ;)
 
God knows what else Goran is going to say over the next three months. He may have a point here, though. Not the smartest thing to say, either. He's basically saying Nole knows he cannot beat Nadal in an RG final.
 
Nadal_Django said:
Yeah, if not for that monumental choke in the 2013 RG SF, Djokovic would've had a DCGS right now along the NCYGS and DGCM. But it is what it is. ;)
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Nadal has been accused of choking in that 2013 RG SF actually, in the 4th Set.
The 5th Set was full of Nadal's spectacular winners, if I remember correctly he hit 26 winners in the 5th Set.
If Nadal is down a break in the 5th Set of a RG SF........you can't expect him to lay down.
 
Imperator said:
"Nadal is the favorite and there's only one player who can beat him in my opinion : Novak. And it might seem crazy to say that, but I'd like them to be on the same half of the draw. Novak would perform better, I think, against him in the semis. And Rafa would perform better against Novak in a final. It's psychological. If I had to make the draw, that's what I'd do."

Source : L'Équipe.


He said a lot of silly things in the past, but he might have a point here.
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Lol.....methinks Goran is still scarred from last year's infamous prediction about the outcome when they met in the final. :D
 
Adman said:
Why the hate? Absolutely logical argument, Novak was a stupendous net touch error away from A and then 5-2 in the fifth, in their last semi. Seems some Rafa fans have worse OCD than their hero.
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It's just that nobody takes him seriously after all the stupid things he's said, with reason. It's more about the statement coming from him rather than about the statement itself, he has almost no credibility left. But I do agree with him for once.
 
Imperator said:
"Nadal is the favorite and there's only one player who can beat him in my opinion : Novak. And it might seem crazy to say that, but I'd like them to be on the same half of the draw. Novak would perform better, I think, against him in the semis. And Rafa would perform better against Novak in a final. It's psychological. If I had to make the draw, that's what I'd do."

Source : L'Équipe.


He said a lot of silly things in the past, but he might have a point here.
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Because setting up a final with one of the two big players instead of both in the final is exactly what the tournament should do to maximize profits?
And they should cater to Djo's needs over the King of Clay who is the BIGGEST clay draw of fans and sponsors because...
 
Imperator said:
Yeah, saying someone is stupid but ballsy because he's not afraid of consequences is a very nice thing to say. I'm totally defending him and trying to make him look good. You probably failed to convince anyone but I hope you managed to convince yourself.

At least I gotta admit you have the balls to try and don't care if it backfires. See how much I like you with my nice statement ?



You're a woman. Cook for us.
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Whack :p
 
ChaelAZ said:
Because setting up a final with one of the two big players instead of both in the final is exactly what the tournament should do to maximize profits?
And they should cater to Djo's needs over the King of Clay who is the BIGGEST clay draw of fans and sponsors because...
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I think he meant that's what he'd do because he wants Djokovic to win.
 
Sport said:
No, they aren't. They are exactly the same regardless of whether he faces Rafa in the final or SF.

Nadal has disputed 13 RG SF. Has lost 0.
Nadal has disputed 13 RG F. Has lost 0.

Nadal's winning percentage is exactly the same both in RG SF and RG F.
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I'm of the opinion that Rafa becomes more dangerous with every match he plays on clay. Catching him one match earlier improves your odds, although they're still near zero.
 
Kralingen said:
I don't get what people would like these guys to say "I have no chance, I will give up before taking the court against the GOAT and kiss his feet" - Nadal wouldn't do this to Djokovic anywhere, so why would Djokovic do the same to him?
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Do you recall quotes from Annacone or Moya' saying anything like this? How about loads of other coaches? Goran always has the option of doing what almost all other coaches do which is to say nothing and stick to something more reasonable and less speculative.

Of course that's not his style but I'm even more concerned about the sorts of serious things he says about the world which quite frankly reveal a much more problematic person:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397253082896011265

"I believe that firstly our Balkan mentality is special, different, more ingenious, the best."
 
intrepidish said:
Do you recall quotes from Annacone or Moya' saying anything like this? How about loads of other coaches? Goran always has the option of doing what almost all other coaches do which is to say nothing and stick to something more reasonable and less speculative.

Of course that's not his style but I'm even more concerned about the sorts of serious things he says about the world which quite frankly reveal a much more problematic person:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1397253082896011265

"I believe that firstly our Balkan mentality is special, different, more ingenious, the best."
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Anything like this? Suggesting a potential draw? Instead of looking for quotes from Toni/Moya/Annacone I am going to eat a nice sub for lunch.

Trust me no matter what is said publicly, behind the scenes every ATP player in the draw is thinking about how they can take down Nadal if they meet him at RG. Moya has surely dissected the intricacies of Djokovic's tendencies, his flaws, weaknesses, and tactics hundreds of times with Rafa, and vice versa. This is professional tennis. Every top player has a plan and thoughts on how to beat their opponents, and every top player enters a tournament trying to follow this plan so they can win the grand slam. Why people are losing their minds over this is beyond me
 
Slowtwitcher said:
The Ivanisevic Silly Season has started.
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ivanisevic is one of the most intelligent tennis players ever. did you listen to his interviews about his career and life?

his parents are university professors in engineering or so and he clearly inherited a high iq.
 
Goran should have learn to shut up after his ridiculous comments before last year's RG final. But in this case, he's right. Djokovic is the only man in the draw who can defeat Rafa and he can only do it in a semi. I'd give him a 13% chance in a semifinal but a 2% chance in a final. There's much less pressure in a semi for Novak on PC against Nadal.
 
If I was Novak then I would have fired Goran after last year's roland garros loss.

Goran has outlived his usefulness/expiry date, there is no way his presence can benefit Novak anymore.

Time to hire someone new who can add a new dimension to Novak's game.
 
JasonZ said:
ivanisevic is one of the most intelligent tennis players ever. did you listen to his interviews about his career and life?

his parents are university professors in engineering or so and he clearly inherited a high iq.
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Which is why it's such a shame that a man with such a high IQ has to talk out of his arse instead of his brain.
 
Kralingen said:
Anything like this? Suggesting a potential draw? Instead of looking for quotes from Toni/Moya/Annacone I am going to eat a nice sub for lunch.

Trust me no matter what is said publicly, behind the scenes every ATP player in the draw is thinking about how they can take down Nadal if they meet him at RG. Moya has surely dissected the intricacies of Djokovic's tendencies, his flaws, weaknesses, and tactics hundreds of times with Rafa, and vice versa. This is professional tennis. Every top player has a plan and thoughts on how to beat their opponents, and every top player enters a tournament trying to follow this plan so they can win the grand slam. Why people are losing their minds over this is beyond me
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Suggesting a potential draw has nothing to do with 'thinking about how to take down Nadal.' His preference for the draw has nothing to do with 'plans.'

All coaches make plans. Very few mouth off in moronic ways like Goran about things which have nothing to do with strategy they control. It makes him sound like some teenage poster on TTW. Hoping to play someone in the semifinal isn't 'strategy'

People aren't 'losing their minds' but rather pointing out the silliness of it. And you skipped right over the rest of what Goran said:

"I believe that firstly our Balkan mentality is special, different, more ingenious, the best."


https://twitter.com/x/status/1397253082896011265
 
Imperator said:
"Nadal is the favorite and there's only one player who can beat him in my opinion : Novak. And it might seem crazy to say that, but I'd like them to be on the same half of the draw. Novak would perform better, I think, against him in the semis. And Rafa would perform better against Novak in a final. It's psychological. If I had to make the draw, that's what I'd do."

Source : L'Équipe.


He said a lot of silly things in the past, but he might have a point here.
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Another intelligent remark from Goran
 
BeatlesFan said:
Goran should have learn to shut up after his ridiculous comments before last year's RG final. But in this case, he's right. Djokovic is the only man in the draw who can defeat Rafa and he can only do it in a semi. I'd give him a 13% chance in a semifinal but a 2% chance in a final. There's much less pressure in a semi for Novak on PC against Nadal.
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OK, but if Djokovic can beat Rafa in a semi, why can't he do it in the final?
 
intrepidish said:
Suggesting a potential draw has nothing to do with 'thinking about how to take down Nadal.' His preference for the draw has nothing to do with 'plans.'

All coaches make plans. Very few mouth off in moronic ways like Goran about things which have nothing to do with strategy they control. It makes him sound like some teenage poster on TTW. Hoping to play someone in the semifinal isn't 'strategy'

People aren't 'losing their minds' but rather pointing out the silliness of it. And you skipped right over the rest of what Goran said:

"I believe that firstly our Balkan mentality is special, different, more ingenious, the best."
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I am not sure which one is more hilarious: his original remark about Nadal or the bolded black. In any event, you are hundred percent right with the bolded blue.

:cool:
 
intrepidish said:
Suggesting a potential draw has nothing to do with 'thinking about how to take down Nadal.' His preference for the draw has nothing to do with 'plans.'

All coaches make plans. Very few mouth off in moronic ways like Goran about things which have nothing to do with strategy they control. It makes him sound like some teenage poster on TTW. Hoping to play someone in the semifinal isn't 'strategy'

People aren't 'losing their minds' but rather pointing out the silliness of it. And you skipped right over the rest of what Goran said:

"I believe that firstly our Balkan mentality is special, different, more ingenious, the best."


https://twitter.com/x/status/1397253082896011265
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I don’t get it. My comment was about the OP who posted this comment, to me it’s just Ivanisevic thinking about which draw would be most favorable to his player. Every coach does this, and every coach takes the glass half full view of how his player can win Goran just happened to do it publicly.

as for the Balkan stuff what do you want me to say? I am not from the Balkans nor am I even a NoleFam guy, I don’t care what a coach’s ethnonationalist views may be. Just like I don’t care that Nadal supports Real Madrid. It’s irrelevant, as is 100% of anything said in a press conference. I just love tennis, no?
 
Kralingen said:
I don’t get it. My comment was about the OP who posted this comment, to me it’s just Ivanisevic thinking about which draw would be most favorable to his player. Every coach does this, and every coach takes the glass half full view of how his player can win Goran just happened to do it publicly.

as for the Balkan stuff what do you want me to say? I am not from the Balkans nor am I even a NoleFam guy, I don’t care what a coach’s ethnonationalist views may be. Just like I don’t care that Nadal supports Real Madrid. It’s irrelevant, as is 100% of anything said in a press conference. I just love tennis, no?
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Thinking about playing Nadal semis or finals isn't strategy. It's daydreaming about factors beyond your control. A good coach doesn't waste his time on that as if he were some teenage poster on TTW.

Goran's comments indicate how his mind works. Following one sports team or another isn't remotely comparable to asserting that people from the Balkans are more special and intelligent than people from other places.

The kind of guy who can make those comments is simply ridiculous.
 
Kralingen said:
I don’t get it. My comment was about the OP who posted this comment, to me it’s just Ivanisevic thinking about which draw would be most favorable to his player. Every coach does this, and every coach takes the glass half full view of how his player can win Goran just happened to do it publicly.

as for the Balkan stuff what do you want me to say? I am not from the Balkans nor am I even a NoleFam guy, I don’t care what a coach’s ethnonationalist views may be. Just like I don’t care that Nadal supports Real Madrid. It’s irrelevant, as is 100% of anything said in a press conference. I just love tennis, no?
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Did you read what I said on the matter ? Looks like you didn't.
 
intrepidish said:
Thinking about playing Nadal semis or finals isn't strategy. It's daydreaming about factors beyond your control. A good coach doesn't waste his time on that as if he were some teenage poster on TTW.

Goran's comments indicate how his mind works. Following one sports team or another isn't remotely comparable to asserting that people from the Balkans are more special and intelligent than people from other places.

The kind of guy who can make those comments is simply ridiculous.
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I mean it was an interview, which goes back to my main point: It’s irrelevant, as is 100% of anything said in a press conference. Someone probably asked him the question and he gave his thoughts. Do you really think he’s waking Nole up at 5am every morning, cracking him a raw egg to eat and then doing a rain dance together to rig the draw? I think it was just a comment as he knows he cannot control the draw, but he has an opinion. Do you seriously think Moya has no opinions on the matter? I’m sure he knows Medvedev is a better draw than Tsitsipas or Djokovic and would prefer to be in Medvedev’s half.

As for Ivanisevic, he and Srdjan and Pepe and many others in the Djokovic camp including Novak himself have made awkwardly bold and brash comments before. I cannot relate to the Balkan self confidence and ethnonationalism, but then I grew up in a peaceful home with the biggest issue being divorce, not a war-torn area where I saw relatives shot or my neighborhood bombed due to my nationality. They’re weirdos for sure, but none of these outlandish comments have stopped him from winning 18 Grand Slams or achieving the most weeks at YE #1. Clearly if the comments made a negative difference on the court then we would see that happen…

I posted this last week and it bears repeating: “even if Nadal went on a rage tour cursing his opponent out before during and after matches, it wouldn’t make the slightest difference. He would still beat everyone soundly”
 
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