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Nadal in 3
IW 2011 F: [1] Rafael Nadal (ESP) vs. [3] Novak Djokovic (SRB)
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OLYMPICLEGEND
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Djokovic didn't even play well vs Federer yesterday. Did you see the 2nd set and early 3rd set? Nadal will bagel Djokovic with that type of form. Djokovic played a lot better at the US Open Final :evil:
Antonio Puente
Hall of Fame
The two best players in the world. Should be great.
Raoul_Duke
Professional
That's a complete nonsense and somehow disrespectful towards Federer.
Big_Dangerous
Talk Tennis Guru
lol Rafa. Getting Djokovic. This is a nightmare matchup for Nadal. Forget the US Open. Djokovic is an entirely different player now. So is Rafa btw. Djokovic in straight sets. Nadal could possibly get a breadstick like Djokovic loves to give to Rafa.See Indian Wells in 2008 and Cincinnati multiple times on what I mean.
Are you serious? You must be ********. Comparing previous matches that Novak played Rafa in 2008..... Dude Rafa was rather mediocre on HC prior to last year... He's much improved on hc. I'm not saying he'll win but a 6-1 beat down.... Come the **** on, the #1 player in the world will certainly be more competitive than that.... You sir, are a complete joke.
Ralph
Hall of Fame
Hmmm, good point. Hopefully if the trainer is called for to assist in the remedy of said situation, and if Ralph is broken often, he may as well stay to assist him before something goes wrong with his (insert body part).
Fiji
Legend
ROFL? On clay and grass, Nole will lose to other players not called Nadal.
oscar_2424
Legend
Nadal 6/4 7/5.
carlos djackal
Professional
anybody has a link for this match please....
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Even tho I want Nadal to win (for the first time, just to take off that grin off Djokovic's face), think it's 2 rather easy sets for Djokovic this time, 3 and 4
YodaKnowsBest
Banned
I hope Djokovic holds his crown for a bit longer.
The King leads the H2H on HC but Nadal has won the last 2 meetings. This sure is going to be one hell of a match.
The King leads the H2H on HC but Nadal has won the last 2 meetings. This sure is going to be one hell of a match.
hugobosstachini
Professional
Do you realize what you're saying...
Djokovic is after yesterday's match 70-1 when he wins the first set and he's playing the best he has ever played.
Justin Side
Hall of Fame
Djoker in straight sets.
nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
I remember before USO I was nervous that Novak would get the better of him, simple because of their H2H on HC. Nadal is going to have to play really well today. I doubt after serving like crap all week he'll somehow magically start serving amazing today, but it's not only his serve that helped him win against Novak in the USO final. NO idea how this will go but Vamos Rafa!
namelessone
Legend
Djokovic has beaten Nadal 7 times on HC(not to mention that he came very close to beating him a couple of times on clay) and is in the best form of his life right now. He ain't scared. Nadal needs to bring his absolute best to beat Djoker on HC whereas Novak doesn't need to be terrific to beat Nadal on HC.
To say Djoker will bend over is to troll, pure and simple.
Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
Not really, what I saw watching the US Open final was Djokovic not believing he could win, aka bending over. He didn't have half the fighting spirit against Nadal, as he seems to use when he plays Federer.
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Bud
Bionic Poster
If Rafa doesn't serve terrifically, he's probably toast
If he serves well, it's a tossup... conditions will be cool, damp and probably a bit windy
Dilettante
Hall of Fame
I've been reading the thread and from the posters' opinions I came to the conclusion that Nadal and Djokovic will humiliate each other, both will eat bagels and none of them is actually prepared to meet the other.
Typical TT stuff by the way. I love it.
Typical TT stuff by the way. I love it.
nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
If Rafa doesn't serve terrifically, he's probably toast
If he serves well, it's a tossup... conditions will be cool, damp and probably a bit windy
I can't agree, if his BH, FH click well, and his serve is at least good. He could take this. Also, fed was not able to move well yesterday, not a problem with Rafa. Not to mention Novak's attitude, there is a point after "confidence" becomes a liability. Novak is an emotional player, if things start don't his way, he starts getting annoyed. I never thought I would be so against Novak winning but I really didn't like his post match behavior. Not to mention, I cringe at how much his confidence aka cockiness will explode after this.
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
I meant no one is stopping him in this tournament. His results this year back up my hypothesis anyways so I don't see how what I said can be an outrageous statement in any way...
lol. He took over the no. 2 with his win yesterday, and he went wild. What's wrong with that?
nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
lol. He took over the no. 2 with his win yesterday, and he went wild. What's wrong with that?
I don't think Rafa would have reacted that way. Also, Novak has been number 2 before. Anyways, Nothing is set in stone, what will happen will happen, I can only hope things go in Rafa's way and if they don't, then I hope the score doesn't reflect a beat down. Being a Rafa fan is SO hard sometimes, you never know which Rafa will show up.
Semi-Pro
Hall of Fame
Boy, if you feel like that already about Rafa then I can't image how hard it would be to cheer for him if he was Rogers age...during the downfall of his career.
He will do well. Unfortunately the margins are small enough on hard courts now that mediocre serving day after day means the other guy is probably going to beat you (maybe 65/35 djokovic?). Can't wait for clay and grass.
namelessone
Legend
You base Djokovic's fight against Nadal from one match?
Not to mention the match you picked is all wrong. Nadal was amazing in that match and Djoker believed in himself until the 4th set when he got broken again.Djoker actually played better than in the semifinal if you look at the stats. Oh, and he is the only guy to actually win a set against Nadal that whole USO.
Not to mention other close matches between these two that could have gone either way: Queens 08', MC 2009, Madrid 2009, Olympic 2008, Hamburg 08'. Let's not forget the spankfests Novak dished to Nadal on fast HC
Djoker is actually a great matchup against Nadal on HC(like one of the big hitters but way more mobile) but if he isn't clicking there's a problem, and that's Nadal stays with you. Unless you can shake him off, he'll stay there. The comparison with the Federer rivalry doesn't stand. First of all, Fed is older and ripe for picking. Djoker knows this and tries to move him around a lot. He has learned how to exploit the Fed BH and he knows Roger doesn't have the same fight in him nowadays. He benefits from that massively and it fuels his confidence. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't really like Fed while he doesn't have any animosity against Nadal.
namelessone
Legend
So what, everybody has to behave like Rafa?
Novak was happy(real happy) cause he beat a living legend three consecutive times, in AO,Dubai and now IW. It's funny cause Roger beat him three times(basel,shanghai,WTF) after Djoker defeated him in USO 2010 and now Novak has returned the favour. Not to mention that he doesn't like Roger all that much and it's probably added satisfaction.
Let the guy have his time in the sun. He's undefeated this year, beat fed three times, murray in a GS final, won DC and another slam, AO. He's probably got confidence coming out of every pore of his body so over the top celebrations are to be expected from him.
IvanAndreevich
Legend
Nadal in 2 with a beat down.
The only reason Djokovic is undefeated this season is because Nadal was injured at the AO, and Federer has been sucking big time.
The only reason Djokovic is undefeated this season is because Nadal was injured at the AO, and Federer has been sucking big time.
Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
This is basically the same premise as what I posted,Djokovic doesn't play with the same aggression, cockiness and hatred against Nadal. Another way of saying he bends over.
Yes, I base what I am saying off of the most important match these two have played against each other recently, the US Open final. Not matches played 3 years ago. Djokovic was not there mentally to beat Nadal at the US Open.
Nadal would hit a winner and Djokovic would applaud the shot as to say " Thank you Rafa, may I have another"
If he goes into this match with that same mindset he will lose.
Fedace
Banned
if they are both sharp then that favors Novak. This surface favors Novak slightly.
namelessone
Legend
So how did he beat Nadal 7 times(not to mention being very,very close at least 5 more times) if he has this habit of bending over for Nadal? If big match wins against Nadal are all it takes to establish "fight", then 90% of the ATP are plain wusses.
Laughable. Watch the match again.
Djokovic finished the USO final with 45 winners over four sets and 47 UE.
In the SF against Fed(and he fights against Fed, no?) over five sets, Djokovic hit 36 winners and had 38 UE. Guess he didn't fight all that much against Fed. Not to mention watching winner after winner pass him by as Fed beat him three consecutive times after USO 2010, in Basel,Shaghai, WTF with Novak winning only one set. Novak doesn't really fight judging by your "analysis".
JoelDali
Talk Tennis Guru
Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
Against Nadal,Djokovic will be forced out of the playing style, he has been able to use on the slow HC over the past few months with so much success.
To beat Nadal you have to play aggressive offensive tennis, playing defense and hoping to out grind him will not work. Nadal is more consistent and just as good or better defensively than Djokovic.
Djokovic will be forced to go for more shots earlier in rallys, as a result he will make more errors and the pressure will build.
Nadal will give Djokovic a taste of the strategy Djokovic himself has used against Federer to win on slow HC.
To beat Nadal you have to play aggressive offensive tennis, playing defense and hoping to out grind him will not work. Nadal is more consistent and just as good or better defensively than Djokovic.
Djokovic will be forced to go for more shots earlier in rallys, as a result he will make more errors and the pressure will build.
Nadal will give Djokovic a taste of the strategy Djokovic himself has used against Federer to win on slow HC.
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Lsmkenpo
Hall of Fame
Different court speeds favor different strategies and styles of play, plain and simple, IW is a slow HC, it is tough to hit winners by a good defensive player.
If it is a faster HC, Federer's style of play starts to win out over defensive counter punching.
Your stats show exactly what I stated in my post above, Djokovic knows he can't out grind Nadal consistently.
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nadalbestclass
Hall of Fame
erm, to be in my good books? Yes.
Also, it's not whether I let him have his time in the sun or not, he and his opponents decide that. I on the other hand can dislike him all I want. It is my OPINION and I stand by it.
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