tennis-savvy ny crowd made me laugh. they could put drunk baboons in the stands and it wouldnt make a difference.Kaptain Karl said:lothar - You're posting like an idiot.
If one cheats and gets caught that's one thing. JHH only "got caught" by those who know the letter and spirit of what sportsmanship is. She cheated in the FO and got away with it, hence she wasn't disquilified [sic].
Most people get caught when they cheat. I can only *hope* JHH tries something like that again. I don't think she'll get away with it next time. (Did you see cedric's post? The Belgians don't even like her.)
[Remember the USO last year, when Capriati tried to "play dumb" in the post-Serena match interview? The tennis-savvy NY crowd booed her *right away* for attempting to "finesse" the truth. IOW, she "got caught" by the "court of public opinion."]
Still looking for that "maturity" ... in Justine ... in Serena ... in Jennifer ... Maria ... Amelie ... Elena ... Anastasia....Chadwixx said:... the arguement could [be] made for her youth, and how she has matured since the incident....
I'm Belgian. Belgian as Clijsters and Henin.
Henin is very disliked here. She has a such attitude.
She's used to talk a lot about her privacy in stupid newspaper, making her
incredible, that it's normal she earned all what she has, that she's the best.
Few months ago she acted for a public comedy show. The little movie
she was in showed her back from winning a tournement and having a drunk
and lazy father at home. A total drunk father. Nothing was hilarous, it
was pathetic. If she has problem with her dad, no need to put him down
in public in a such way.
After that, way way way more Belgian disliked her.
I'm not giving you my opinion about her, just telling you how she's mainly
seen here in Belgium.
We're proud of course to have 2 such players with Clijsters and Henin.
But it came to a situation that in any tennis club I've spent time lately, if
she's on tv, everyone hopes she loose.
Oh well .... if you say they are mature, then I'm sure they are and if you say the others arn't, then I'm sure they're not. :roll:Kaptain Karl said:Still looking for that "maturity" ... in Justine ... in Serena ... in Jennifer ... Maria ... Amelie ... Elena ... Anastasia....
All the above are contributing to my respect for Kim Clijsters, Alicia Molik and Lindsay Davenport.
She didn't throw a McEnroe-esque Pits of the World oncourt tantrum.With regard to the Williams/Henin match, I think the only reason the Williams got upset was the closeness of the contest.
Which she was at that point of the match.Had she been blowing Henin out...
Do you think it's the street level intimidation she learned growing up in Compton?but Williams may/may not have seen her hold her hand up and continued anyway to provoke a situation.
Simple. Despite the evidence (I have it on tape), you still proclaim that Justine did nothing wrong. The same is true for Holocaust deniers. That's ignorance.I'm not sure how my personality has anything to do with tennis or why it is people like myself that there is any speculation about the Holocaust or Iraq.
That's me.Mr. Banks,
When I said,That right Luther, tell him like it is, I was responding to line in your message, It truly is a a sign of weakness to have to resort to name-calling and teasing. To elaborate: I've always felt that Phil gets out of hand sometimes, and needs a good tending to. I like the way did it.I'm not quite sure why you'd quote me in a positive attitude and then right after, quote me again to "trash talk" me.
1. Who's fighting? I thought I was taking part in a discussion on the principles of sportsmanship. When did this become about Bertie and Lothar?Though I will not sit here and waste my time fighting with you, I will simply say that it was hypocritical and made no sense.
What a moronic review! There's been *some* emotion ... and *no* hatred, as far as I can see.bustigal said:I didn’t anticipate my post would stir so much emotion, hatred, and remarks. Thank you guy/gals.
Stupid analogy.This is just like the approval of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas 10-15 years ago.
Asinine instruction.Don’t be confused with what JH had accomplished and her contribution to the game with whether or not you respect her.
I cannot stand Navratilova, personally. But her record makes her truly one of the all time greats. JHH is a LLLOOONG way from being compared to MN. (Another stupid comparison.)Navatalova [sic] ... Some of you may have no respect for her personally, but when her career was over, we call her one of the greatests that ever play the game....
Same goes for long boring posts ... like yours.... Remember, quantity does not equal to quality. Sometime, the more some people open their mouths, the more they show what a “blipping” idiot they are.
You've made a charge you simply cannot support. (Idiotic claim....)Cedric13, come on, man, you are not Belgian...
I have it on tape, too. I think that she did nothing wrong, though I did not say she did anything right either. It seems like you have this idea that I'm biased in favor of her. I'm not her fan, I'm someone who saw the match and made an assessment as objective as I can be. I like her game, but I'm no member of her fan club. Tennis is a sport for competition, not a testament of one's morality. She was not required to say anything. Her job is to play the match inside the rules, which she did in saying nothing.Bertchel Banks said:[quot]
Simple. Despite the evidence (I have it on tape), you still proclaim that Justine did nothing wrong. The same is true for Holocaust deniers. That's ignorance.
2. Your comprehension skills are lacking. Question: If a tree falls in the middle of the forest and no one's there, does it make a sound? Did it even fall down?
were you suprised? how can you say that she is the greatest without expecting feedback by people who are disagreeing with you? even people that post that federer may be the greatest of all time expect to disproved. next time think before you post such a ridiculous and stupid quote.bustigal said:I didn’t anticipate my post would stir so much emotion, hatred, and remarks. Thank you guy/gals.
This from a man/boy/twinkie whose government opened fire on a refugee ship in the middle of shark infested seas. Hush Twinkie. Okay you don't like Serena, I understand. As an Australian it's a given that unless there's a group to hate you're miserable. Fact is, Justine is a liar and a thief. Evidence is abound.the facts, serena got beat and cried after the match blaming everyone but herself. 1 point doesnt make a match unless ur a mental twinkie, or its match point.
Ha. Any objective viewer of the incident will conclude that Justine was wrong.It seems like you have this idea that I'm biased in favor of her. I'm not her fan, I'm someone who saw the match and made an assessment as objective as I can be.
It may not be on the books, but the spirit and heritage of the game demanded that she spoke up. She was wrong. True, I only watch her when she plays my faves, but I admire her courage and fight. Infact, we have too much in common astrologically for me to dislike her. Also, I find her a refreshing alternative to the whiny and ungraceful Amelie Mauresmo.I like her game, but I'm no member of her fan club. Tennis is a sport for competition, not a testament of one's morality. She was not required to say anything. Her job is to play the match inside the rules, which she did in saying nothing.
No.Are you trying to promote solipsism?
Untrue. You were the one who waltzed in here called me weak. You were the one who just yesterday called me a hypocrite. You were the one who accused me of going off on nonsensical tangents...so what if I think Kristof Vliegen looks like a Pygmy when he's about to serve. So What?And once again, you're starting a personal attack on me...
What do you mean succumb? And when did this become Bertie v. Lothar? Sportsmanship: The Unwritten Rule, that's the issue. Bertie dominates Lothar on TW messageboards, that's not it. Bertie to whip Lothar in likely best of 3/superset oncourt encounter, that's not it either. Bertie: "Disqualified" , Lothar: "Disquilified"...Bertie 3, Lothar 0... Sportsmanship and tennis, again, that's the issue.which I shall not lower myself and succumb to a quarrel with you.
If you insist.And quit calling me Luther.
Why, so you can color me happy with a vodka in hand and a domestic/farm animal/beating heart to shag. You hurt my feelings, Phillip, so as punishment I'm not telling you.You obviously have NOTHING to say about tennis, don't know anything about it, so your only possible response is to equate all of the posters here with the actions of their respective governments. You're a joke, now; a true troll if there every was one. BTW, Bertel, for everyone's reference here, which country do you belong to?
I'm curious about where do you live in Belgium ?Evi said:Well I live in the same country as you do and imo Justine gets popular every week. I was at a tennisclub last saturday when Justine was playing against Schnyder. When they put on the tv everybody joined me in front of the tv and a lot of 'oooooooooh's and 'wow's' were heared all the time.
Up to you to think I wrote a "****" reply. I tell you most ppl dislike her here.Evi said:To proove your '********' reply isn't correct ... here's a column from a Belgian (Flemish) newspaper. It's translated from Dutch and there are probably a lot of mistakes in it but I think the point is clear. (the writer used many symbolic words so it could be weird sometimes ) Justine is compared with Eddy Merckx ... could you get a better sort of respect as sportswoman??
Hi bustigalbustigal said:· JH Fanatic, why on earth you want to admit JH was cheating, Eaaa..? Since you are on my side, I won’t throw you those choice words, but I suggest you take a debate class. Remember, quantity does not equal to quality. Sometime, the more some people open their mouths, the more they show what a “blipping” idiot they are. .
what was a refugee ship doing in shark infested waters? i have no clue what ur talking about, and why is this being posted on a tennis msg board?Bertchel Banks said:This from a man/boy/twinkie whose government opened fire on a refugee ship in the middle of shark infested seas. Hush Twinkie. Okay you don't like Serena, I understand. As an Australian it's a given that unless there's a group to hate you're miserable. Fact is, Justine is a liar and a thief. Evidence is abound.
Hush Twinkie. Outside of "Serena Sucks" you haven't added anything tennis related or substantial to this thread in days.if u cant stick to the topic please dont post, i dont care what ppl from terd world countries think about us policy.
Doing Phil's dirty laundry again, eh? I swear, you two are joined at the hip. Toss off. But first, if you don't want off topic chatter, don't ask off topic questions. Now, toss off.what was a refugee ship doing in shark infested waters? i have no clue what ur talking about, and why is this being posted on a tennis msg board?