Jack Draper has the potential to be a BETTER British player than Sir Andrew Murray

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Kralingen

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There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz. Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

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Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz. Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

#Your heard it here first.
Bump it in a few years.
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Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz.
Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

#Your heard it here first.
Bump it in a few years.
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It's April Fools already and I didn't know it?
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Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce.
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This sentence gave me a brain aneurysm.
 
Kralingen said:
One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!
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Forgot the requisite, "One is English while the other is doomed to remain Scottish."
 
Mustard said:
Yeah. Murray reached the 2009 Indian Wells final, and was completely outplayed by Nadal on a windy day.
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The Nadal draper matches could have been absolutely beautiful if they were similar aged. Much better than Nadal Murray matches I think. Andy is too much of a counterpuncher and a bore.
 
Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz. Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

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Amusing bit of trolling there. But, in all seriousness, I now feel we Brits have a worthy successor to Murray and I'm looking forward to seeing where he will go from here and that he can remain fit and injury-free to do it.
 
Mainad said:
Amusing bit of trolling there. But, in all seriousness, I now feel we Brits have a worthy successor to Murray and I'm looking forward to seeing where he will go from here and that he can remain fit and injury-free to do it.
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Yep. Draper will likely achieve more than Henman for example.
 
Let's hope Jack has what it takes to join Jannik & Carlos, so we'll have the next Big 3! The Big 3 are dead, long live the Big 3!
 
Kralingen said:
Hemnan is one of the all time choke artists.
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Is he? I think he just had a ceiling that was below the very, very top. A match like the fourth round at 1999 Wimbledon showed the opposite of choking, where Henman beat Courier 4-6, 7-5, 7-5, 6-7, 9-7, after saving 3 match points, and only a few months after Courier beat Henman in 5 sets in a 1999 Davis Cup match in Birmingham, England.

Henmania at Wimbledon time could be very annoying at times on the BBC and in the press though, admittedly. They would get giddy about "Tiger Tim" possibly winning Wimbledon, and it was fun to see their balloons punctured when Henman did lose.
 
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Mustard said:
Is he? I think he just had a ceiling that was below the very, very top. A match like the fourth round at 1999 Wimbledon showed the opposite of choking, where Henman beat Courier 4-6, 7-5, 7-5, 6-7, 9-7, after saving 3 match points, and only a few months after Courier beat Henman in 5 sets in a 1999 Davis Cup match in Birmingham, England.

Henmania at Wimbledon time could be very annoying at times on the BBC and the in the press though, admittedly. They would get giddy about "Tiger Tim" possibly winning Wimbledon, and it was fun to see their balloons punctured when Henman did lose.
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I suspect all that media pressure didn't help.
 
Mainad said:
Funny how that is never said of Chris Hoy or Liz McColgan.
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I'm sure it's a class matter. British tennis has a lot of snobs about. Murray is lower middle class, and openly opinionated. The powers that be would much rather a Henman have had Murray's results.

The English mainstream journalists lost their minds when Murray responded to Henman teasing him about Scotland's football team with talk of hoping Paraguay beat England. Most Scots would have been far less kind about wishing England to lose ;)

The late Denis Law said that he was golfing at the time of the 1966 World Cup final.
 
Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz. Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

#Your heard it here first.
Bump it in a few years.
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We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this sub forum hate Andy Murray.

The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 14 or 15 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Muzzah in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing Elo ratings. But here's the thing: tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "slams adjusted for difficulty" or "Elo ratings" I know they know nothing about tennis.

Murray's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the second greatest counter-puncher ever, and one of the 5 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that Jack Draper is better than Andy Murray, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Andy in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Andy is better.

You might be jealous of Andy's two Wimbledons, or jealous of his status as the greatest tennis player in Olympic history, or whatever. Unless you're an Agassi fan who watched tennis in the 90s, or a Hewitt fan who watched tennis in the 2000s, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that.

This sub would make you think that Andy isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullshlt about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Jack Draper The Best Player in the World™, but leave the Murray talk to the adults. Fair?
 
MeatTornado said:
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this sub forum hate Andy Murray.

The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 14 or 15 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Muzzah in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing Elo ratings. But here's the thing: tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "slams adjusted for difficulty" or "Elo ratings" I know they know nothing about tennis.

Murray's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the second greatest counter-puncher ever, and one of the 5 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that Jack Draper is better than Andy Murray, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Andy in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Andy is better.

You might be jealous of Andy's two Wimbledons, or jealous of his status as the greatest tennis player in Olympic history, or whatever. Unless you're an Agassi fan who watched tennis in the 90s, or a Hewitt fan who watched tennis in the 2000s, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that.

This sub would make you think that Andy isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullshlt about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Jack Draper The Best Player in the World™, but leave the Murray talk to the adults. Fair?
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Andy is fourth best player of 21st century as of today. Sinner and raz will soon overtake him though.

We don't like Murray. His forehand was not killer. Too much counterattack. Who likes this.
 
Draper seems to be in peak form right now. He has dealt with a lot of injuries already though for being so young. Hopefully he can stay healthy and play to his potential so we can see what his ceiling is.
 
Draper is an incredible player and I'm happy to see his rise, but I'll withold calling him a top tier player until he shows he can stay healthy/fit throughout a BO5 slam run. He may very well be on his way this year, but I need to see it to believe it. BO3? He's got the game to win at any level!
 
Draper has lots of potential although IW does suit his game given how much work he has on the FH and his 2nd serve that nobody could deal with in the conditions there this year.
His movement though is a concern as is his return of serve on quicker courts, but today was a massive moment for him and he should make top 5 by end of the year.
 
Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz. Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

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I think @Barton should start a thread about if Murray was an ATG, then can Draper be?
 
Murray won 3 slams and reached something like 11 slam finals in an era with possibly the 3 best players ever (note I said possibly, so not disrespecting the likes of Rod Laver or Pancho who also have a case) and another 3 slam winner in Wawrinka, and possibly the best player ever to win only 1 slam- Del Potro.
 
insideoutforehanders said:
Murray won 3 slams and reached something like 11 slam finals in an era with possibly the 3 best players ever (note I said possibly, so not disrespecting the likes of Rod Laver or Pancho who also have a case) and another 3 slam winner in Wawrinka, and possibly the best player ever to win only 1 slam- Del Potro.
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Op is just a frustrated fanboy of past players and making such claims out of insecurity.
 
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