Jack Draper has the potential to be a BETTER British player than Sir Andrew Murray

Mustard said:
Murray's first instincts were certainly to be defensive and reactive to whatever his opponent was doing.
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Lendl did make him go for his shots more often, particularly with his forehand, thus he achieved his best success during 2012-2013 and played his best tennis IMO. But as you said, it's hard to fight your instincts and play out of your comfort zone day in day out, so he couldn't maintain his offense over a long period of time.
Similarly, Medvedev had changed his return of serve positioning against Sinner in the AO final, hitting the ball on the rise and playing overall offensively and had a lead of two sets to love, but eventually switched to his old mode and lost in five sets. It wasn't his bread-and-butter tennis.
 
Martin J said:
Lendl did make him go for his shots more often, particularly with his forehand, thus he achieved his best success during 2012-2013 and played his best tennis IMO. But as you said, it's hard to fight your instincts and play out of your comfort zone day in day out, so he couldn't maintain his offense over a long period of time.
Similarly, Medvedev had changed his return of serve positioning against Sinner in the AO final, hitting the ball on the rise and playing overall offensively and had a lead of two sets to love, but eventually switched to his old mode and lost in five sets. It wasn't his bread-and-butter tennis.
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Yes draper plays more enjoyable tennis to me. Big forehand is a must in modern tennis. Not sure what Andy Murray was thinking wasting his athleticism with mediocre pushy fh.
 

Is Murray's forehand actually that bad?

It seems to me that there is a consensus amongst the tennis community that Murray has a bad forehand. It is often portrayed as weak and incapable of offence. But, watching the Murray-Nadal this attitude appears to completely wrong. He hit with power and depth, mixed up spin and hit very...
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With Carlitos, Sinner, Draper and Fonseca on top, tennis will be in great hands. I also like Fils and Perricard. I hope korda can get his sh*t together, such a clean ballstriker. Imagine a top 10 with all those Young Guns in there :love:
 
I’m here for it!
draper is proving to be the real deal. I take back all my filthy little jibes at him.
he's easy on the eyes, too. Much more so than the muzziah was pre teeth fix.
 
MeatTornado said:
We all know about it, and we all see it. It's obvious. Nobody ever wants to admit it, but it's there.

People on this sub forum hate Andy Murray.

The first question to ask: why? Why do you all hate him? The obvious answer: you didn't watch him in his prime.

Likely explanation: I know that most of you are around 14 or 15 years old. That means you only got into tennis in the last couple years. So you never watched Muzzah in his prime.

And because you didn't watch him in his prime, you try to compensate for that by diving into stat sheets and analyzing Elo ratings. But here's the thing: tennis isn't played on Excel spreadsheets. The moment somebody brings up "slams adjusted for difficulty" or "Elo ratings" I know they know nothing about tennis.

Murray's game cannot be encapsulated by one stat. He's the second greatest counter-puncher ever, and one of the 5 best players to ever play the game.

So when I hear somebody say that Jack Draper is better than Andy Murray, I laugh, because I know that anybody who watched Andy in his prime wouldn't think that. Unlike you guys, I have watched tennis for a significant amount of time, so I know that Andy is better.

You might be jealous of Andy's two Wimbledons, or jealous of his status as the greatest tennis player in Olympic history, or whatever. Unless you're an Agassi fan who watched tennis in the 90s, or a Hewitt fan who watched tennis in the 2000s, you don't know what real, cold-blooded, killer instinct, will-to-win tennis looks like. And there's nothing wrong with that.

This sub would make you think that Andy isn't even a top 100 player ever.

So don't go spouting bullshlt about players you didn't watch. Talk about your "greats" like Jack Draper The Best Player in the World™, but leave the Murray talk to the adults. Fair?
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If draper win 4 slam i will say he is better than murray. Not before that. Murray with 3 slam looks very reachable target but he was playing in big3 era and he was most sucessfull player after big3.
Dont go by potential go by results.
Novak is not 21 slam good player than Andy murray but he is producing results and murray was potential great .
 
How is Murray with 3 slams a reachable target for someone like draper.

He has 1 slam semifinal. And will be 24 this year.

3 slams is done by some 15 or so players in open era if I am right. It's not very easy target. Plus Murray has hugeeee number of other titles 43, including 2 Olympics gold , ATP finals and 14 masters

Draper would be fortunate if he is having Murray like career.
 
Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce. Djokovic, Nadal and Federer are really nothing compared to Medveved, Sinner, Rune, and Alcaraz. Besides, Draper seems like a guy who has other interests in life than to keep hitting a ball until he’s 45 years old like Murray. Anyways, that’s not the point.

The point is I believe the Englishman has what it takes to take Murray’s game to the next level. He'll be performing and playing tennis at a higher level. That he’ll do should he put in the effort. His backhand and RoS still leave a lot to be desired and not at Andy’s level yet but he’ll get there. Murray kept improving even in his 30s so Jack has a lot of time ahead of him to improve.

One more thing, I’m not sure of this but I can see him becoming even a more popular player than Murray in the future. Two reasons, he’s better looking and more active in the social media, all what’s left is success which is coming his way soon!

#Your heard it here first.
Bump it in a few years.
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Your second paragraph should have been in the draft until Draper comes to the final of one GS.
 
Kralingen said:
There I said it. I watched Murray since the beginning and I’ve been watching Draper for the last 4-5 years and I can tell you the Brit has a higher ceiling than the Brit. He's a very special talent. For starters, I think Draper is a better baseliner and mentally stronger when compared to Murray. Yes I’m aware of what happened in USO 2024 so don’t bother mentioning it, cause it happens, and I’ve seen enough of Draper to know he’s one tough motherf*cker. Even Sinner himself admitted the guy is tough as nails after struggling against him and nearly losing a set.

I have no doubt he’ll achieve great things in the future; however, I don’t think he’ll have the same success Murray had. Draper’s generation is way more talented than Murray’s generation so unfortunately for him, he won’t have Murray’s luxury as the competition will be fierce.
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Draper and Murray have actually played each other . . . once.

At the 2023 Indian Wells Masters 1000 in the round of 32. Draper won 7-6, 6-2.
 
I mean, Sir Andy was said to have better potential for years compared to where he ended up, so hype rarely translates well for average players, unless they can consistently demonstrate what separates them from the average.
 
ChaelAZ said:
I mean, Sir Andy was said to have better potential for years compared to where he ended up, so hype rarely translates well for average players, unless they can consistently demonstrate what separates them from the average.
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Yes but he lived up to the hype.
 
What nonsense!! He's already much better than Sir Andy ever was, and that after having improved his game well into his 30s.
 
spottishwood said:
What nonsense!! He's already much better than Sir Andy ever was, and that after having improved his game well into his 30s.
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I saw a post he was having a better career or will have better career than Stefanos, medvedev and zverev. I wonder if they were saying the same about Cam Norrie after he won Indian wells
 
Thats a no-brainer. Draper is just better tennis all round player, and next year will be hes atomic explosion year.
 
Sudacafan said:
My bad. I thought it was Andrew Castle.
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I feel Castle gets too much TTW abuse considering his R3 result at the USO equals the best USO result achieved by both Rune and Tsitsicrates. And he achieved a career high rank #80.

To show that TTW is only having some fun with no real malice intended I suggest TTW set aside a day to celebrate Andrew Castle’s tennis achievements. If that is asking too much of TTWs busy schedule obsessing about the most recent Sinneraz match then at least a thread should be dedicated. I am hoping you might provide free post certifications for such a thread if one develops.
 
I still think Draper has the tools to excel but his problem is that he is injury prone, with that said he has remarkable mental strength to keep coming back from injuries as if he never went away.

Jamie Delgado (Murray's former coach) is now coaching Draper, he's a good hand as a coach.
 
Seems fair to suggest he has that potential. But I’m not convinced it will come fruition. So far his body has continued to fail him. On top of that he has Sinneraz to deal with. And it’s not like Murray set a low bar, either.
 
am1899 said:
Seems fair to suggest he has that potential. But I’m not convinced it will come fruition. So far his body has continued to fail him. On top of that he has Sinneraz to deal with. And it’s not like Murray set a low bar, either.
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Murray got hes slams gifted
 
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