Jack Kramer on Federer

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nikdom

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Tood Woodbridge interview Jack Kramer recently. Here is the article from Herald Sun

Source - http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,23059246-3162,00.html



(By Tood Woodbridge)

IS ROGER Federer the best of all time? It's a hot topic at present.

I have always erred on the side of caution when asked who is the greatest. I think it is disrespectful to the champions of the past to compare.

Having played in a successful doubles partnership with Mark Woodforde, I understand what it is like to be compared.

Some say we were the best. Others liked John McEnroe and Peter Fleming. Look back further to John Newcombe and Tony Roche, but then don't forget Frank Sedgman and Ken McGregor, the only team to win a Grand Slam in doubles, and so the argument goes.

As I have too much respect for all the great teams before us, I think it fair to say that you can beat only whom you come up against at the time and leave it at that.

Yet recently I had reason to say Federer is the best singles player to have played the game.

Just before Christmas, I had the opportunity to interview American Jack Kramer about his life in tennis. A life that's included being a multiple grand slam winner, member of a winning Davis Cup team, a promoter, commentator and an official -- the father of professional tennis has covered every facet of the game.

For an hour and a half he gave me fascinating insights into the game.

Kramer, 86, was visiting Australia for the 45th time as a surprise guest at the 80th birthday celebrations of Sedgman.

Kramer was responsible for the professional game as we know it today. After winning the US and Wimbledon championships in 1947, he saw there was no future for himself in the amateur game.

With a young family to take care of, and no money in the game to support it, he had a vision to turn the game professional. He set about his idea at the beginning of the 1950s.

He signed Sedgman in 1953 to a 100-match series against Pancho Gonzales. In 1954 Lew Hoad signed up, followed by Ken Rosewall the next year.

It wasn't until 1969 when tennis became open that Kramer's vision became a reality. We in the current era have much to thank him for.

Nearing the end of our chat, I broached the subject of Federer and asked if he compared with the greats of Kramer's era.

Federer is tied with Roy Emerson on 12 grand slam titles and looks set to pass him on Sunday week. You would think Pete Sampras's record of 14 titles looks likely to tumble soon, too.

Having played against and watched every champion since the 1930s, I thought there was no one better credentialled than Kramer to answer the question.

Kramer said Don Budge, Gonzales or Hoad might have been the equal of Federer if they had been able to use Federer's racquet.

Yet he had never seen any player do more with a ball than Federer.

Federer, Kramer said, was the only player he had seen with the complete package; he is a fantastic offensive player, a super server and can play defence.

We all have our dream match-ups we would have loved to see play against each other in their prime.

Mine would be Rod Laver and Federer playing on Centre Court at Wimbledon.

Kramer's is Gonzales taking on Federer using the same racquets.

Kramer finished the interview by saying Federer was simply the best player he had seen play the game.

With credentials as good as his, who are we to argue?
 

Nuke

Hall of Fame
High praise indeed, from Kramer. I remember old interviews with him where his attitude was always, "The players were much better in my generation."
 
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nikdom

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I'd read an article in the Tennis magazine about Hoad. Apparently he blew by his opponents just like Federer when he was in form. A back injury undid him.

Would love to watch some old footage of these guys playing..

(off to youtube for some searching)
 

superstition

Hall of Fame
from 1912 to 1930, Tilden won 138 of 192 tournaments and compiled a match record of 907 wins to 62 losses, an astonishing .936 winning percentage.
This "greatest of all time" stuff is not easy to answer.
 
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Deleted member 120290

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It's very difficult/unfair/dangerous to compare players from different eras. I started watching tennis during the Borg/Mac/Connors reign. I can say Borg and Connors had the groundstrokes and defense, but not the serve and the offense that Fed has. Lendl and Agassi had offensive weapons and groundstrokes but not the net game. Sampras and Mac had the serve and volley, but nowhere near the groundstrokes or the defense of Fed.

Simply put, there is no one with such a COMPLETE package as Fed from 70's to now. And if Kramer says that includes players from the 30's to now, who am I to argue? He is probably one of the handful of people on the planet qualified to judge.
 

aphex

Banned
It's very difficult/unfair/dangerous to compare players from different eras. I started watching tennis during the Borg/Mac/Connors reign. I can say Borg and Connors had the groundstrokes and defense, but not the serve and the offense that Fed has. Lendl and Agassi had offensive weapons and groundstrokes but not the net game. Sampras and Mac had the serve and volley, but nowhere near the groundstrokes or the defense of Fed.

Simply put, there is no one with such a COMPLETE package as Fed from 70's to now. And if Kramer says that includes players from the 30's to now, who am I to argue? He is probably one of the handful of people on the planet qualified to judge.

Was. He died a couple of years ago unfortunately.

And yes, he had seen the greatest players from Tilden to Budge to Laver to Borg to Sampras and finally to Federer.

In fact he himself was one of the greatest players to ever play the game.

He also was a great strategist and theoretician of the game. Probably the greatest ever in these respects.

In my mind, his tennis opinions are far more important than anyone who has ever lived due to his deep understanding of the game and his having played/watched players from Tilden to Federer.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
Simply put, there is no one with such a COMPLETE package as Fed from 70's to now.
Well said (you did leave out return of serve - Fed's is very good). I'm sure the Sampras jock sniffers won't be sending you and I last minute Xmas gifts. :) They saw Sampras through rose colored glasses - they can't reconcile the fact that his serve (best of all time) was the majority of his game. It's the reason Sampras could have a below average BH and return of serve.
 

OddJack

G.O.A.T.
It's very difficult/unfair/dangerous to compare players from different eras. I started watching tennis during the Borg/Mac/Connors reign. I can say Borg and Connors had the groundstrokes and defense, but not the serve and the offense that Fed has. Lendl and Agassi had offensive weapons and groundstrokes but not the net game. Sampras and Mac had the serve and volley, but nowhere near the groundstrokes or the defense of Fed.

Simply put, there is no one with such a COMPLETE package as Fed from 70's to now. And if Kramer says that includes players from the 30's to now, who am I to argue? He is probably one of the handful of people on the planet qualified to judge.

To me your observation is as good as Kramer.

I started watching tennis as Rodge was coming in and Samp was going out, so it's much more valuable to have someone's opinion that has seen it from 70s and 80s.
 

aphex

Banned
To me your observation is as good as Kramer.

I started watching tennis as Rodge was coming in and Samp was going out, so it's much more valuable to have someone's opinion that has seen it from 70s and 80s.

I hope you're joking.
 

Talker

Hall of Fame
^^^
The old-timers in the former pro player forum disagree.

I've seen some of those posts. :shock:

Some have Fed way down their lists, I figured they were trolls. :)

But many past greats have said the same, even those who are careful about such statements.
 
So we have ever all time great for Federer and only the fringe jock sniffers(Pat Cash) for Federer being overrated. To be honest, I think they are just jelly.
 
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Deleted member 120290

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I can't recall who said this (Laver, Borg, Martina, Mac?) but he said Nadal had the best tennis mind he's ever seen and Fed was definitely the most naturally gifted tennis player he'd ever seen. I mean, at age 30, can you imagine anyone else dominate (esp. Nadal) at WTF? If they speed up the courts to 90's speed and low bounce, Fed can be at or near the top for another 3-4 years.
 
Jack Kramer is probably the individual with the greatest understanding of tennis in history.
He was also an obstructionist to the advancement of modern professional women's tennis.

Jack Kramer is nasty, bloated, dried piece of excrement which should be left to wither away in hell.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
 

aphex

Banned
He was also an obstructionist to the advancement of modern professional women's tennis.

Jack Kramer is nasty, bloated, dried piece of excrement which should be left to wither away in hell.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse

A bit like you then:p
 
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Deleted member 55539

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I read almost every post on this forum.. and what I think is slowly but surely it is being established (dare I say even amongst the worst form of FED haters) that Federer is the greatest player ever to play the game..

more so this year because the haters always latched onto Nadal to have a saving argument.. and as nadal fell out this year, i guess everyone realizes how difficult it is to do what federer does.. over so many years.. :)


Merry Christmas to you all!!
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
These oldies like his 1 handed BH, his respectful attitude towards tennis history, and his overall gentlemanly conduct, so it skews their thinking. Nadal and Djokovic have an in-your-face attitude and raw talent which disturbs some people.
 
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Deleted member 55539

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These oldies like his 1 handed BH, his respectful attitude towards tennis history, and his overall gentlemanly conduct, so it skews their thinking. Nadal and Djokovic have an in-your-face attitude and raw talent which disturbs some people.

I thought u were a nadal supporter.. now it is nadal AND djokovic.. ;-) you surely are one of most interesting posters here..

as far as you keep hating federer.. I guess people here will have fun.. :-D
 
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Deleted member 55539

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These oldies like his 1 handed BH, his respectful attitude towards tennis history, and his overall gentlemanly conduct, so it skews their thinking. Nadal and Djokovic have an in-your-face attitude and raw talent which disturbs some people.

It is not just the oldies suresh.. even blake, berdych and almost all of the players today agree that federer is the greatest..
 

SteveI

Legend
Fed is the best and most complete player I have ever seen. Been watching tennis forever. It is pleasure to watch him guide over the court, play the game with style and class. Never "works" the rules and is well liked on tour. On top of that, he is considered one of the most popular people on the planet.. not just in sports.
 

Bjorn99

Hall of Fame
Federer is a bit smarmy for me, who cares about that really, but his game, is something I cannot imagine us EVER seeing the likes of again.

We have never seen another Bobby Orr, despite all the advancements in hockey, we have never seen another Micheal Jordan, etc...
 

kiki

Banned
Laver played his first major final in 1959, getting beaten by Olmedo at London.he was barely 21.

Federer played his first major at 22.
 

pound cat

G.O.A.T.
To talk about who is the greatest of all time makes no sense in that it assumes that tennis has ended...forever, and now we can assess who was the best player before tennis ended. Well, guess what, it is still being played.
 
Federer is a bit smarmy for me, who cares about that really, but his game, is something I cannot imagine us EVER seeing the likes of again.

We have never seen another Bobby Orr, despite all the advancements in hockey, we have never seen another Micheal Jordan, etc...

That's like saying evolution stopped at modern humans
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
He was also an obstructionist to the advancement of modern professional women's tennis.

Jack Kramer is nasty, bloated, dried piece of excrement which should be left to wither away in hell.

Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
These kinds words coming from a loving mother who bakes cookies and cake for her neighbourhood.

You betcha !

I thought u were a nadal supporter.. now it is nadal AND djokovic.. ;-) you surely are one of most interesting posters here..

as far as you keep hating federer.. I guess people here will have fun.. :-D

Funnily, suresh's quite old himself, or maybe he's just another smitten teenager pretending to be in his 40's :D
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
To talk about who is the greatest of all time makes no sense in that it assumes that tennis has ended...forever, and now we can assess who was the best player before tennis ended. Well, guess what, it is still being played.
Come on. It implies best yet. When we say highest selling book, highest grossing movie, we obviously aren't speaking of the future.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Funnily, suresh's quite old himself, or maybe he's just another smitten teenager pretending to be in his 40's :D

I am in my best shape ever. I have never played a sport as well as I do now. Just this morning, I played 2 sets of old man doubles and 1 set of old man singles (I can't help it if the only guys who show up at 7 am on a Saturday morning are from the Jurassic era).
 

vernonbc

Legend
One thing you can be sure of on this forum is the tenet that Federer is great, Nadal is bad. It's all such a load of bull. Why can't people just agree that Federer is great and Nadal is great. When both of them are done and gone we can shoot the sh*t about what each of them might have done better than the other but the bottom line is that both made the game of tennis better.
 
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