messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Sorry to tell ya mate, but Djokovic isnt GOAT or BOAT anywhere. COAT perhaps (consistent of all time)
Jannik Sinner 2024 vs. Novak Djokovic 2011 on HC: has the Sinner already surpassed Djokovic peak on HC?
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messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
Yep and we saw similar with South Korea v Spain in 2002
Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
He may or may not be the GOAT of GOATs, but it's fair to call him the COAT of slam-numbered coats at the very least
junkieballer
Hall of Fame
2024 Sinner vs 2015 DjokovicJannik Sinner 2024
Record: 54-3 (94.7%)
Grand Slams: 2
Titles: 7
ATP Finals: W
Losses with 0 sets won: 0
Novak Djokovic 2011
Record: 46-5 (90.1%)
Grand Slams: 2
Titles: 6
ATP Finals: RR
Losses with 0 sets won: 3
Slams: 2-2
Big titles: 6-7
Additional finals: 0-2
Winner: 2015 Djokovic
junkieballer
Hall of Fame
2006 Federer is also better than 2024 Sinner: 7 big titles to 6.
The top hardcourt seasons are
1) Djokovic 2015
2) Federer 2006
3) Sinner 2024
The top hardcourt seasons are
1) Djokovic 2015
2) Federer 2006
3) Sinner 2024
junkieballer
Hall of Fame
2011 AO to 2012 AO Djokovic was the highest hardcourt level ever.
Competition was peak in that period, Big4 reached all 12 Slam semifinals spots
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Was that the tops a champion has reached?
I think it was: twice Federer, and 3 times straight Nadal.
GoatNo1
Legend
2015 point system
nole 2015
2 slams (4000p)
WTF (1300p)
4 masters (4000p)
MM (500p)
2 masters F (1200p)
MM F (300p)
MM QF (45p)
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8 titles, 7 big (11345p)
sinner 24
2 slams (4000p)
WTF (1500p)
3 masters (3000p)
MM (500p)
MM F (300p)
masters SF (360p)
masters QF (180p)
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7 titles 6 big (9840p)
sinners overall points for 2024 (in 2024 system, that gives more points to all except winners), 11830
tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
Yeah peak Sinner cant beat a 40 year old Djokovic at the AO but hes gonna beat peak Djokovic from 2011 lmao.
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
Lol
This thread didn’t age well. Every version of Sinner we saw so far would be lucky to win a set against 2011 Djokovic.
When faced with an array of choices, I always ask: who did they beat!
Djokovic 2015: Wawrinka in SF, and Murray in F at AO; Federer at WB & US
Federer 2006: Baghdatis at AO; Nadal at WB (first non-clay slam final for Nadal at 20); Roddick at US
Sinner 2024: Medvedev at AO; Fritz at US
I'd choose Djokovic '11 (Federer & Nadal x2) over Federer '06 and Sinner '24.
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Megafanoftennis100
Hall of Fame
FTFY
On HC yea, but the year over all? Novak’s 2011 was marked more so by tour domination, not by the domination of any particular surface.
And if the YEC is the only thing that separates them, then I wouldn’t really consider that extremely noteworthy.
Novak arguably was burned out and finished after the USO
But it really doesn't matter since Novak's 2015 is better than both years
But also looking at who the two beat en route, I'm almost certain Novak had more wins over the top 5 than Sinner. Djokovic basically had to beat Federer, Nadal and Murray at every tournament. And even then, only a YEC separates Sinner's 2024 from Novak's 2011
And if the YEC is the only thing that separates them, then I wouldn’t really consider that extremely noteworthy.
Novak arguably was burned out and finished after the USO
But it really doesn't matter since Novak's 2015 is better than both years
But also looking at who the two beat en route, I'm almost certain Novak had more wins over the top 5 than Sinner. Djokovic basically had to beat Federer, Nadal and Murray at every tournament. And even then, only a YEC separates Sinner's 2024 from Novak's 2011
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Well, it's the "it's all about the numbers" drum that Djokovic fans have been beating for years. Chickens have come home to roost.
Is this the moment when Nole fans acknowledge that competition matters?
Does Novak have a competition problem?
Well, Sinner in '24 won 2 slams over Medvedev and Fritz. They were a far cry from Federer, Nadal or Alcaraz.
Djokovic in '11 had 3 slams over Federer, and twice over Nadal. And in '15, he had 3 slams over Wawrinka and Murray, and twice over Federer.
Federer is a weak era chump and Nadal is a clay court specialist . Why do wins over them matter ?? LOL
Federer was a weak era champion. That didn't mean every one of his slams was a weak-era stuff.
From '08-13, before Djokovic turned Nadal into a clay court specialist.
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