Jannik Sinner Needs To Be Banned from The Game

[JoshDragon]

It is absolutely disgusting to see the way that the Talking Heads in the ATP media are covering for this guy!! He failed not one, but two drug tests! They pitch one of the most ridiculous stories, that I've ever heard, about how he managed to get the clostebol into his system in the first place and we're supposed to just accept this story??! Like they're not trying to cover for the guy. When is justice going to be done about this?

 

[GloW]

Definitely agree with this and im a bit suspicious of how all the news about his drug tests just stopped coming...

 

[JoshDragon]

Definitely agree with this and im a bit suspicious of how all the news about his drug tests just stopped coming...

The fake news media wants this story to go away. They're desperate to try to clear Sinner's name. Or at least add a level of doubt, that he might be innocent. So far their efforts have paid off and they've managed to keep him on the tour. But I have a feel that things will be changing soon. CAS is going to weigh in on this matter and Sinner may find himself banned from the sport, next year.

 

[MichaelNadal]

I don't like it either, something feels wrong about it.

 

[JoshDragon]

I don't like it either, something feels wrong about it.

Yep. The story does not make any sense. As soon as it was leaked, they had the "Investigation Team" ready to declare him innocent. Other lower ranked players have been given an immediate provisional ban. But not Jannik Sinner. He's worth too much money to them.

 

[FeroBango]

I don't like it either, something feels wrong about it.

Stinks. I was genuinely having a good time this year with the rise of Sinner for we had two genuinely great young talents on top, but then the doping/subsequent cover-job happened.

I've not been able to look at the Sinner season the same way again since. Phenomenal talent but the stink is only not felt by the ardent fans of his.

 

[GloW]

I don't like it either, something feels wrong about it.

Something seems fishy...

 

[JoshDragon]

Stinks. I was genuinely having a good time this year with the rise of Sinner for we had two genuinely great young talents on top, but then the doping/subsequent cover-job happened.

I've not been able to look at the Sinner season the same way again since. Phenomenal talent but the stink is only not felt by the ardent fans of his.

On the surface of things, it's the worst thing that could have possibly happened to the sport.

 

[GloW]

It is absolutely disgusting to see the way that the Talking Heads in the ATP media are covering for this guy!! He failed not one, but two drug tests! They pitch one of the most ridiculous stories, that I've ever heard, about how he managed to get the clostebol into his system in the first place and we're supposed to just accept this story??! Like they're not trying to cover for the guy. When is justice going to be done about this?

@JoshDragon You should make a thread on #MakeTennisGreatAgain

 

[KantenKlaar]

This guy had a year of heaven and hell and yet he remains icy calm. Most humans would have crumbled under the pressure. I have observed him closely ever since the C-thing came to light and the only change I've seen, is that he lately picks up the coin after the toss every time. Eery. Sinner is an enigma.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

It is absolutely disgusting to see the way that the Talking Heads in the ATP media are covering for this guy!! He failed not one, but two drug tests! They pitch one of the most ridiculous stories, that I've ever heard, about how he managed to get the clostebol into his system in the first place and we're supposed to just accept this story??! Like they're not trying to cover for the guy. When is justice going to be done about this?

^

 

[johnmccabe]

This guy had a year of heaven and hell and yet he remains icy calm. Most humans would have crumbled under the pressure. I have observed him closely ever since the C-thing came to light and the only change I've seen, is that he lately picks up the coin after the toss every time. Eery. Sinner is an enigma.

What's wrong with that? The more he continues to win under scrutiny, the more crazy haters become.

 

[travlerajm]

 

[Jonas78]

It is absolutely disgusting to see the way that the Talking Heads in the ATP media are covering for this guy!! He failed not one, but two drug tests! They pitch one of the most ridiculous stories, that I've ever heard, about how he managed to get the clostebol into his system in the first place and we're supposed to just accept this story??! Like they're not trying to cover for the guy. When is justice going to be done about this?

Well the experts say the tests are so sensitive, that cream from your physios hands can cause a positive test.

I dont know what happened here, but I think you see it very black/white if you think every single positive drug test is caused by intentional doping.

Im surprised non-intenional doping hasnt become a bigger weapon yet. You dont need to do a "Tonya Harding", you just drug your opponent.

 

[weakera]

No lies detected

 

[Drighiz]

Well the experts say the tests are so sensitive, that cream from your physios hands can cause a positive test.

I dont know what happened here, but I think you see it very black/white if you think every single positive drug test is caused by intentional doping.

Im surprised non-intenional doping hasnt become a bigger weapon yet. You dont need to do a "Tonya Harding", you just drug your opponent.

You're right to be surprised that it hasn't been used more as an excuse to dope. It's almost like the pros know it wouldn't really be worth risking a career for a drug that doesn't enhance performance hmmm fishy indeed

 

[Spin Diesel]

@JoshDragon @Rosstour @Smecz @GloW @FeroBango @weakera
Who of you actually liked Sinner before all of this? Are you sure you‘d have the same reaction if the same story came out about your favourite players?

 

[weakera]

Sinner is way worse than McGwire in the sense that Big Mac knew MLB was consciously looking the other way while it was going on. Sinner is thumbing his nose and violating the sports integrity during an era in which it is seen as criminal.

 

[FeroBango]

@JoshDragon @Rosstour @Smecz @GloW @FeroBango @weakera
Who of you actually liked Sinner before all of this? Are you sure you‘d have the same reaction if the same story came out about your favourite players?

Good question. You can go through my posts to see if I rated him or not -- even during the times he'd be relentlessly mocked for his bottling feats. He was always a generational talent who was bound to have this success in my eyes -- even without clostebol.

For the question, no I didn't like him before. I didn't dislike him either (did have issues with the legion of obnoxious fan accounts of his as do several others here). Post the scandal, let's just say that it's easier to say I don't particularly like him. When the world criticises a group, there's a tendency for said group to become cult-like and the already cult-esque fandom has only grown worse since the scandal.

I'll continue to not hide my displeasure at what's happened and indeed, this is a uniquely Sinner situation. Personally me and an IRL friend like Nicolas Jarry because despite his doping, it wasn't close to being the cover-up stinkfest of a scandal that this Jannik story has been.

Had Jarry escaped ban, continued to play during investigation, had the same layer who is working against Tara Moore on an accidental doping case, call himself a victim through PR, passive aggressively say who his reAl friEnds are and had a legion of fans coming together to form the worst fanbase on earth, my sentiments on Jarry may have been different after the doping.

But to be fair to Jarry, he served his time, and didn't insult the intelligence of the Tennis watching masses the way the Sinner coterie has.

 

[anarosevoli]

It is absolutely disgusting to see the way that the Talking Heads in the ATP media are covering for this guy!! He failed not one, but two drug tests! They pitch one of the most ridiculous stories, that I've ever heard, about how he managed to get the clostebol into his system in the first place and we're supposed to just accept this story??! Like they're not trying to cover for the guy. When is justice going to be done about this?

Not one, but two... Congratulations! With your IQ of 90 you are better than 25% of the population! Possibly you can even answer this question: What happens if they test him 100 times within one week?

 

[Gary Duane]

Guilty until proven innocent. That's what I see here. Burn him at the stake.

OR

Let's throw him into a body of water, and then if he drowns maybe he's innocent

 

[Born_to_slice]

Off with his head!

 

[FreeJannik]

This guy had a year of heaven and hell and yet he remains icy calm. Most humans would have crumbled under the pressure. I have observed him closely ever since the C-thing came to light and the only change I've seen, is that he lately picks up the coin after the toss every time. Eery. Sinner is an enigma.

it's because he feels "innocent"... at the time of the facts he was a 22 year old man (with a low level of education)... what his collaborators (elderly people, doctors, etc...) did was out of his control (and his understanding). He therefore considers himself "innocent", because he couldn't have done anything to avoid his contamination. And he actually couldn't do anything to change people's minds about his guilt... he could only put on his cap, get on the court and do his best... which he's actually doing.

 

[KantenKlaar]

it's because he feels "innocent"... at the time of the facts he was a 22 year old man (with a low level of education)... what his collaborators (elderly people, doctors, etc...) did was out of his control (and his understanding). He therefore considers himself "innocent", because he couldn't have done anything to avoid his contamination. And he actually couldn't do anything to change people's minds about his guilt... he could only put on his cap, get on the court and do his best... which he's actually doing.

Yes, I doubt he could have finished out the year in a spectacular way if he was guilty. One has to admire the way he has handled this sordid affair.

 

[zakopinjo]

In order to do justice to other players who have gone through the same thing as Sinner, I think he should get a 3-6 month ban.

a one to two year ban would hurt Sinner too much and he wouldn't be able to return to the tour, maybe he would be a top 10 tennis player but no more than that, he would completely collapse mentally.

 

[FeroBango]

Yes, I doubt he could have finished out the year in a spectacular way if he was guilty. One has to admire the way he has handled this sordid affair.

Z did great things whilst dealing with multiple abuse cases on him. Sinner has also done well with this doping scandal. What's common? Both men knew that not a single thing was going to happen to them via the ATP and its affiliates. Thus it freed them in ways it won't lesser players.

 

[FeroBango]

Italian Tennis chief: people who doubt Sinner are imbeciles.

TTW Sinner fans: hehe low IQ bro

 

[Spin Diesel]

Good question. You can go through my posts to see if I rated him or not -- even during the times he'd be relentlessly mocked for his bottling feats. He was always a generational talent who was bound to have this success in my eyes -- even without clostebol.

For the question, no I didn't like him before. I didn't dislike him either (did have issues with the legion of obnoxious fan accounts of his as do several others here). Post the scandal, let's just say that it's easier to say I don't particularly like him. When the world criticises a group, there's a tendency for said group to become cult-like and the already cult-esque fandom has only grown worse since the scandal.

I'll continue to not hide my displeasure at what's happened and indeed, this is a uniquely Sinner situation. Personally me and an IRL friend like Nicolas Jarry because despite his doping, it wasn't close to being the cover-up stinkfest of a scandal that this Jannik story has been.

Had Jarry escaped ban, continued to play during investigation, had the same layer who is working against Tara Moore on an accidental doping case, call himself a victim through PR, passive aggressively say who his reAl friEnds are and had a legion of fans coming together to form the worst fanbase on earth, my sentiments on Jarry may have been different after the doping.

But to be fair to Jarry, he served his time, and didn't insult the intelligence of the Tennis watching masses the way the Sinner coterie has.

I appreciate your reasonable response. Did you read about the Bortolotti case though? It‘s pretty much the same situation and it was handled similarly. And he‘s some not so high ranked player.
Apart from that I‘m wondering if in a situation like that, where noone really knows if he did it on purpose or not, doesn‘t he deserve the benefit of the doubt? He‘s a young person giving his all to play at the top of this sport and people wish that this is taken away from him although he‘s potentially innocent.
If there ever was a second situation like that, I‘d totally get it but imo currently he indeed does earn the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Gary Duane]

at the time of the facts he was a 22 year old man (with a low level of education)

How do you know he had less education than other tennis players his age?

 

[Gary Duane]

I appreciate your reasonable response. Did you read about the Bortolotti case though? It‘s pretty much the same situation and it was handled similarly. And he‘s some not so high ranked player.
Apart from that I‘m wondering if in a situation like that, where noone really knows if he did it on purpose or not, doesn‘t he deserve the benefit of the doubt? He‘s a young person giving his all to play at the top of this sport and people wish that this is taken away from him although he‘s potentially innocent.
If there ever was a second situation like that, I‘d totally get it but imo currently he indeed does earn the benefit of the doubt.

As far as I can see his fans consider him innocent and the people who don't like him assume he is guilty. I think we are dealing with typical social media polarization.

 

[recreationalplayer]

It is absolutely disgusting to see the way that the Talking Heads in the ATP media are covering for this guy!! He failed not one, but two drug tests! They pitch one of the most ridiculous stories, that I've ever heard, about how he managed to get the clostebol into his system in the first place and we're supposed to just accept this story??! Like they're not trying to cover for the guy. When is justice going to be done about this?

I'd say suspended not banned. When is justice going to be done? Not goanna happen.

 

[zakopinjo]

As far as I can see his fans consider him innocent and the people who don't like him assume he is guilty. I think we are dealing with typical social media polarization.

Well, he is not guilty, but he was doped.
Just because doping was found in his body, he should bear the consequences, even though he is not personally guilty.
For the sake of peace on the tennis tour, he should serve a short suspension.

 

[FreeJannik]

How do you know he had less education than other tennis players his age?

Never said that... it was only to introduce the character... or at least what i think of him...

 

[tennis_pro]

I don't like it either, something feels wrong about it.

The faster it tried to be hidden under a rig the more suspicious I got too. It was such a lame cover-up too, like they lowkey aren't even hiding it at this point.

I wish all the players and commentators jumped on Sinner, cause at this point I'm pretty sure he thinks he got away with it AND feels he can get away with anything.

 

[Jonas78]

You're right to be surprised that it hasn't been used more as an excuse to dope. It's almost like the pros know it wouldn't really be worth risking a career for a drug that doesn't enhance performance hmmm fishy indeed

Its complicated, no doubt. I just think its silly to automatically put everybody in the same boat. There is a difference on Charles Manson and someone who accidentally kills someone who throws themselves in front of his/her car.

 

[Smecz]

@JoshDragon @Rosstour @Smecz @GloW @FeroBango @weakera
Who of you actually liked Sinner before all of this? Are you sure you‘d have the same reaction if the same story came out about your favourite players?

I didn't like Sinner much before, after winning the AO 2024, I admit that I liked him a little...

However, after the whole doping thing, I lost trust in him, I don't believe in this story...

In general, cheating should be punished, I have the impression that for some time, it will be talked about as if nothing had happened...

Further, I honestly admit that if the entire Big 4 were caught doping (at different times in their careers) it could destroy tennis...

But whoever wasn't caught, would have to be punished, even if it was Federer...(I don't know how I would survive that ehhh)

But there is no evidence, there is no guilt, they will always be clean, and whether they took doping or not, that's how the world works.!!

Puerta, Halep, Sharapov, Majchrzak were punished, are we supposed to make exceptions, even if it was Federer or Murray etc?!

 

[GloW]

^

 

[thrust]

Sinner is protected by the ATP establishment. They just ignore all of the back-lash, from the fans and pretend like he's done nothing wrong. Sort of like how CNN was pretending that Kamala Harris was neck and neck with Donald Trump in the polls.

 

[GloW]

@JoshDragon @Rosstour @Smecz @GloW @FeroBango @weakera
Who of you actually liked Sinner before all of this? Are you sure you‘d have the same reaction if the same story came out about your favourite players?

I did like him a little before this. Now its a different story.

 

[Flootoo]

Not one, but two... Congratulations! With your IQ of 90 you are better than 25% of the population! Possibly you can even answer this question: What happens if they test him 100 times within one week?

90? You're too generous.

 

[Spin Diesel]

As far as I can see his fans consider him innocent and the people who don't like him assume he is guilty. I think we are dealing with typical social media polarization.

Yeah, I mean it's actually to be expected like that.
He's my favourite player. I'm not trying to say that he's definitely innocent but yeah, I am more on his side as well. But I pretty much read all the infos I could find about it and watched the interviews and my personal assessment was that I'm leaning more towards his innocence than the opposite way. If it was a player I didn't like maybe I would judge differently but I don't think so honestly. But I would surely be less involved in discussions about it then.

My opinion depends mostly on the low amount found and also that I read about the possibilities of contamination through contact with the skin. With all I've read it seems to me that taking very low doses of this substance doesn't make a lot of sense, if you compare the benefits against the risks. And then I just find it crazy that if he was innocent and he got a ban, it would be quite sad. And yeah - I do think it is a real shame that a lot of athletes had to go through that but people arguing that Sinner should also be treated unfairly because others had been in the past just doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[vokazu]

As far as I can see his fans consider him innocent and the people who don't like him assume he is guilty. I think we are dealing with typical social media polarization.

It's not about whether you like the player or not.

This is about the integrity of the sports.

WADA said that ITIA's ruling about Sinner bearing no fault or negligence is not correct under the doping rule. WADA argued that Sinner should be held accountable because he did not enforce any rule for his team to not bring any banned substances near him.

People think I don't like Sinner, that's not correct. I made some constructive post about Sinner's game in the past, when he didn't quite make it in the Slam.

After the doping revelation, I now have no respect at all.

I don't like doping, period. Anyone who's ok with doping doesn't help to keep tennis image clean.

Other players who had accidental doping case were suspended. No one should get special treatment. We must be serious about this. Otherwise, tennis is losing respect.

 

[Gary Duane]

Never said that... it was only to introduce the character... or at least what i think of him...

That's exactly what you said.

 

[Gary Duane]

It's not about whether you like the player or not.

This is about the integrity of the sports.

WADA said that ITIA's ruling about Sinner bearing no fault or negligence is not correct under the doping rule. WADA argued that Sinner should be held accountable because he did not enforce any rule for his team to not bring any banned substances near him.

People think I don't like Sinner, that's not correct. I made some constructive post about Sinner's game in the past, when he didn't quite make it in the Slam.

After the doping revelation, I now have no respect at all.

I don't like doping, period. Anyone who's ok with doping doesn't help to keep tennis image clean.

Other players who had accidental doping case were suspended. No one should get special treatment. We must be serious about this. Otherwise, tennis is losing respect.

I respect your opinion. I don't agree with it though.

 

[Gary Duane]

Stinks. I was genuinely having a good time this year with the rise of Sinner for we had two genuinely great young talents on top, but then the doping/subsequent cover-job happened.

I've not been able to look at the Sinner season the same way again since. Phenomenal talent but the stink is only not felt by the ardent fans of his.

My problem with the anti dopers is that I don't think tennis is clean. I think it's all an act. I don't know what to do about it but I think the best solution for tennis would be to let Sinner and Carlos Duke duke it out in the future and hopefully we will find out who is better in the long run. If this competition is stopped from being carried out I think that hurts tennis more.

What I don't think the fans of Carlos have thought out is that if he rises to the top during a Sinner ban then we will always hear about how he is only the best in the world because a better player was banned. I'm not saying that that's true. I'm saying that's what's going to be said.

 

[Gary Duane]

Off with his head!

I meant to write that too!

 

[Tano]

This guy had a year of heaven and hell and yet he remains icy calm. Most humans would have crumbled under the pressure. I have observed him closely ever since the C-thing came to light and the only change I've seen, is that he lately picks up the coin after the toss every time. Eery. Sinner is an enigma.

He really is a Sinner!

 

[NoleFam]

Kind of funny asking for justice when you have a Trump avatar.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

You are crying now, but you'll scream at the walls when the following eventually happens...

A well-deserved fate.

 

[Mainad]

As far as I can see his fans consider him innocent and the people who don't like him assume he is guilty. I think we are dealing with typical social media polarization.

The problem is that he failed two drug tests and yet was not suspended unlike a whole host of other players who failed tests. He may well be personally innocent but the suspension should have been automatic pending an inquiry that could clear him (or convict him). It's that failure to follow procedure that has made a lot of people suspicious that he's been getting preferential treatment and the main reason that WADA is appealing this.