Jannik Sinner on SF loss to Novak: "I felt like I was closer this year than last year"

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At the 1:04 mark of the Sinner post-SF Wimbledon press conference, Jannik says,

Regardless of the score, I felt like I was more close this year than last year. That's what I felt. I felt like also the level was better. So, I think that's something positive from my point of view. As I said, you know, I had chances in the beginning of the match. Then I had break points in the second set. Third set, I had set point. So, you know, I felt like I was closer this year than last year, even if last year was five sets...."
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I found this interesting. As a viewer, it didn't feel like he was closer in this match than he was in the 5-setter last year. I'm thinking he says this because the last 3 sets of last year's match were 6-3, 6-2, 6-2, while in this match, he feels had some opportunities throughout the match but Novak just played the big points better than he did. I didn't necessarily find the level to be higher either, but I suppose it's worth noting that the guy who was actually on the court felt like this match was of higher quality?
 
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Lozo1016 said:
At the 1:04 mark of the Sinner post-SF Wimbledon press conference, Jannik says,




I found this interesting. As a viewer, it didn't feel like he was closer in this match than he was in the 5-setter last year. I'm thinking he says this because the last 3 sets of last year's match were 6-3, 6-2, 6-2, while in this match, he feels had some opportunities throughout the match but Novak just played the big points better than he did. I didn't necessarily find the level to be higher either, but I suppose it's worth noting that the guy who was actually on the court felt like this match was of higher quality?
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I'd agree with your assessment - I thought the same. I actually rewatched the first two sets of last year's match and thought Sinner really played a very high level there and a with a lot less bad decision-making and unnecessary unforced errors compared to this year.
 
Yeah, I think he's right. I'd have to re-watch both matches to be sure, but my impression when watching this year's match was that his tennis has clearly improved since last Wimbledon, although perhaps not in the ways necessary to beat Novak e.g., varying pace and spin, coming to net (even this has improved, tbh, but there's more room for growth), remaining disciplined as you're being asked to hit extra balls. But the fundamental elements of his preexisting game have gotten better. It's just that sometimes the big points don't go your way and your opponent also plays a little better than last time.
 
Lozo1016 said:
At the 1:04 mark of the Sinner post-SF Wimbledon press conference, Jannik says,




I found this interesting. As a viewer, it didn't feel like he was closer in this match than he was in the 5-setter last year. I'm thinking he says this because the last 3 sets of last year's match were 6-3, 6-2, 6-2, while in this match, he feels had some opportunities throughout the match but Novak just played the big points better than he did. I didn't necessarily find the level to be higher either, but I suppose it's worth noting that the guy who was actually on the court felt like this match was of higher quality?
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In many ways he’s right. People look at sets, straight sets, etc., but in the last three sets last year, you got the feeling that there was a giant gulf between them and structurally there was nothing Sinner could do. He only won the first two sets on mediocre/poor play by Djoko.

In this last match, it was basically Sinner’s choking a few points that cost him.

Dominance ratio in 2022 match: .79
Dominance ratio in 2023 match: .97

Return points won in 2022: Sinner 40, Djoko 62
Return points win in 2023: Sinner 35, Djoko 29
 
ghostofMecir said:
In many ways he’s right. People look at sets, straight sets, etc., but in the last three sets last year, you got the feeling that there was a giant gulf between them and structurally there was nothing Sinner could do. He only won the first two sets on mediocre/poor play by Djoko.

In this last match, it was basically Sinner’s choking a few points that cost him.

Dominance ratio in 2022 match: .79
Dominance ratio in 2023 match: .97

Return points won in 2022: Sinner 40, Djoko 62
Return points win in 2023: Sinner 35, Djoko 29
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That's a good point. I didn't realize the dominance ratio was so close this year.
 
WeekendTennisHack said:
This guy epitomizes the failed gen.
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No he doesn't. Sinner will be 22 in 2 weeks, he's two years older than Alcaraz and Rune, thus their same generation. They have certainly not failed, it's Sinner who has failed to achieve any breakthrough in tennis. Winning one 500 at age 22 doesn't justify the repetitive (and very boring) troll hype.

Sinner is not part of the weakest and most pathetic generation of tennis ever: Zverev, Tsitsipas, FAA, Shapo, Raonic, Berrettini, etc, etc.
 
Sounds like his coaching is too lax. One of those "look at the bright side and rationalize" coaches. Breeds horrible complacency. He needs Becker as a coach or someone that is going to light a fire under his rear. If you want to be great you can't get complacent. You only do that in the last few years of your career
 
BeatlesFan said:
No he doesn't. Sinner will be 22 in 2 weeks, he's two years older than Alcaraz and Rune, thus their same generation. They have certainly not failed, it's Sinner who has failed to achieve any breakthrough in tennis. Winning one 500 at age 22 doesn't justify the repetitive (and very boring) troll hype.
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Trying to lump Alcaraz and Rune together lol

Sinner is way closer to Rune than Rune is to Alcaraz.
 
ghostofMecir said:
In many ways he’s right. People look at sets, straight sets, etc., but in the last three sets last year, you got the feeling that there was a giant gulf between them and structurally there was nothing Sinner could do. He only won the first two sets on mediocre/poor play by Djoko.

In this last match, it was basically Sinner’s choking a few points that cost him.

Dominance ratio in 2022 match: .79
Dominance ratio in 2023 match: .97

Return points won in 2022: Sinner 40, Djoko 62
Return points win in 2023: Sinner 35, Djoko 29
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@nachiket nolefam this is what I was referring to. Even though he lost in three this year, it was a closer match in comparison to Hurkacz and Rublev. Look at the dominance ratios of the Hurkacz and Rublev matches if you don’t believe me, Sinner is really close to a breakthrough
 
ghostofMecir said:
In many ways he’s right. People look at sets, straight sets, etc., but in the last three sets last year, you got the feeling that there was a giant gulf between them and structurally there was nothing Sinner could do. He only won the first two sets on mediocre/poor play by Djoko.

In this last match, it was basically Sinner’s choking a few points that cost him.

Dominance ratio in 2022 match: .79
Dominance ratio in 2023 match: .97

Return points won in 2022: Sinner 40, Djoko 62
Return points win in 2023: Sinner 35, Djoko 29
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Yeah I knew this was a closer match than last year indeed. This could’ve easily gone Sinners way had he taken his opportunities
 
ghostofMecir said:
In many ways he’s right. People look at sets, straight sets, etc., but in the last three sets last year, you got the feeling that there was a giant gulf between them and structurally there was nothing Sinner could do. He only won the first two sets on mediocre/poor play by Djoko.

In this last match, it was basically Sinner’s choking a few points that cost him.

Dominance ratio in 2022 match: .79
Dominance ratio in 2023 match: .97

Return points won in 2022: Sinner 40, Djoko 62
Return points win in 2023: Sinner 35, Djoko 29
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It wasn't Sinner choking a few points. He choked a lot of points. He got to 30-30 or better on Djokovic's serve numerous times and played abysmally to lose the game from that point every time. Sinner only needs to lift his level on points that matter to the level he plays on ordinary points.
 
I don't know why people hype Sinner. He's a good player who does better on grass than other surfaces but is he any better than the other young, tall, skinny players? Not meaningfully. With Alcaraz, I think we are seeing that the best tennis is still played by players of medium stature and that the 6' 4" and above players are sub-optimal prototypes.
 
duaneeo said:
Yes, but they're all of the same generation. They're not part of the 2nd generation of 90s-borns...Medvedev/Zverev/Berrettini/Tsitsipas/Kyrgios.
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I know, that's not what I'm disputing. When I said "closer" I was talking about status, not age. She said "they have not failed" as in Alcaraz/Rune, making Sinner to be the outlier "failure" of his gen.

In reality right now that generation is Alcaraz and then everyone else. Rune is just as much in his dust as Sinner is.
 
Not a good look for Sinner to try and twist it that way, from what I saw he stood for one of his worst performances this season. The FH side was especially abysmal, it was almost hard to keep track of the number of random rally balls he just dumped in the net.
Really hope he steps up, tennis needs it.
 
Sinner looked more engaged and just couldn't get points closed, but did play better. Just keep building on it and if Djo plays again and they face each other, I think it'll be a different post match discussion.
 
ChaelAZ said:
Sinner looked more engaged and just couldn't get points closed, but did play better. Just keep building on it and if Djo plays again and they face each other, I think it'll be a different post match discussion.
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You really think he’s on the cusp of a big breakthrough?
 
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