Janowicz grunting cheating?

TJfederer16

Hall of Fame
Listening to him in his match against Monfils today, it is ridiculous. It seems most of his grunts trail on after he's hit the ball and almost into the others player contact with the ball. I know this is no knew thing, have any of the players complained about his grunting before? Because it needs to be cut down big time.
 

Kirijax

Hall of Fame
Same as Sharapova and Azarenka. There are classless players and since the umpires do nothing, you just have to deal with it.
 

TJfederer16

Hall of Fame
I don't believe grunting to be cheating in general as long as it doesn't interfere with the other players contact with the ball and I find the Janowicz's tends to trail on more than any other player
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
I've never heard this much grunting before. Grunt fest 15. Must be microphones all over the place, and they have put delay on some, an especially long delaytime on Ferrer's mic. And they have probably pitched Sharapova's 3 semitones upwards.
 
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TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
I don't believe grunting to be cheating in general as long as it doesn't interfere with the other players contact with the ball and I find the Janowicz's tends to trail on more than any other player
Sharapova's grunt continues forever. It is like she double grunts after every shot for effect just to make sure that it extends until the opponent is hitting the ball.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Same as Sharapova and Azarenka. There are classless players and since the umpires do nothing, you just have to deal with it.
I haven't really paid attention to Janowicz's grunting before, but in the match today - imo - it was clearly related to physical effort. He plays a hard and fast game and he puts a lot of effort into his shots. At the very least, there is a correlation.

When it comes to Sharapova, the only correlation there is, is shot = scream, regardless of effort, which really annoys me, besides the high pitch.

Her gamesmanship is clearly demonstrated by her high pitch screams on a low (to no) effort shots.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
Listening to him in his match against Monfils today, it is ridiculous. It seems most of his grunts trail on after he's hit the ball and almost into the others player contact with the ball. I know this is no knew thing, have any of the players complained about his grunting before? Because it needs to be cut down big time.
If you point the finger at Janowicz for gamesmanship, you should also consider Monfils' frequent "vocalization", which, intended or not, is often directed towards his opponent. In fencing, it is not allowed to show emotions directly towards your opponent, which is why all fencers turn around when they let out their battle cry.

Monfils' match against Pouille didn't show the best side of Monfils in this regard.
 

Chace

Professional
I've never seen sharapova practice in person. Does she grunt in practice like she does in matches?
 

Aretium

Hall of Fame
Nadal won't grunt for an entire point until he lines up a forehand and then when he starts attacking he will grunt. Its not too loud but...
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
Nadal won't grunt for an entire point until he lines up a forehand and then when he starts attacking he will grunt. Its not too loud but...
Nadal grunts to intimidate (some might call it cheating).
proof is that when he is exhausted and fighting, he DOESN'T grunt as much.
sometimes also Djokovic
 

robbo1970

Hall of Fame
I personally cannot stand the grunting and owl noises (Azarenka).

I can understand the occasional involuntary noise if the player is really stretching or really putting every ounce of energy into hitting a shot, but they don't do that on every shot, yet they still seem to grunt.

There are the obvious players who do it, but I noticed Ferrer does it a lot now too.

I think the fact is, it's not cheating because technically they are not breaking any rules. It would have to be a rule breach for it to be cheating, so it's just unsporting gamesmanship.

If they're doing it to put their opponent off then shame on them. They should take a leaf out of Tim Smyczek's book on how to behave like a respectful, decent gentleman on the court.
 

SoCalJay

Semi-Pro
I think if one is to take offense to the grunts of Janowicz, it's unfair to look the other way regarding the grunts of Nadal, Ferrer, Nole, Murray, etc... Maybe it's just me but I find the grunts of Azarenka, Sharapova, and Serena quite annoying but no one on the ATP bothers me. Perhaps it's the pitch...

I actually laugh when I hear juniors grunting like that at my club or any of the various parks I play at. It's pretty common.
 

LapsedNoob

Professional
From a biological standpoint it is often more natural to grunt when exerting than to not. From a behavioral standpoint it is in many mammals' wiring to grunt when showing force. Just ask any martial arts practioner about the noises they make.

I still don't get how people think this is even a thing.

What's next? Player A protests to umpire because player B stomps too loudly when he runs?
 
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Long Face

Semi-Pro
Listening to him in his match against Monfils today, it is ridiculous. It seems most of his grunts trail on after he's hit the ball and almost into the others player contact with the ball. I know this is no knew thing, have any of the players complained about his grunting before? Because it needs to be cut down big time.
I agree.

Janovicz's grunting has two characteristics:
1. It is long and lingers till his opponent is about to hit.
2. It changes in tone and quite a few different versions (especially after serve), which could be a big distraction.

Compared to his, Sharapova's grunting is mono and is easier to get used to (ignore).
 
When I tuned in it was Monfils grunting in the 5th set. Janowicz was on his best behavior then he got two foot faults and had a talk with the ump. Still this thread is ridiculous.
 

LapsedNoob

Professional
Seriously? Top level athletes in other sports are often taught to vocalize with certain muscle exertions. The example of martial arts is a good one but not the only one. Listen to weightlifters or track and field athletes, they grunt too. It is natural.

If you want to eliminate grunting you might as well have a rule that a player must keep their offhand raised above their heads at all times when hitting a forehand. It is just as arbitrary and absurd as saying don't grunt. It is a biomechanically natural thing to grunt.
 

Tshooter

Legend
From a biological standpoint it is often more natural to grunt when exerting than to not. From a behavioral standpoint it is in many mammals' wiring to grunt when showing force. Just ask any martial arts practioner about the noises they make.

I still don't get how people think this is even a thing.

What's next? Player A protests to umpire because player B stomps too loudly when he runs?
Dr., thank you for the scientific explanation. Very enlightening. I conclude from your analysis that all the other players that don't pull this stunt are suffering, from a "biological standpoint," by suppressing their "wiring."

Me, I don't get how people still think the completely played out phrase "this is even a thing" is still a thing.

Yes, grunting obviously can be "a thing" when it runs into hindrance territory. How it is even a thing to question whether it can be a thing. What a thing. Indeed.

My favorite thing is Thing 1 but I like Thing 2 too.
 
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Sysyphus

Talk Tennis Guru
Seriously? Top level athletes in other sports are often taught to vocalize with certain muscle exertions. The example of martial arts is a good one but not the only one. Listen to weightlifters or track and field athletes, they grunt too. It is natural.

If you want to eliminate grunting you might as well have a rule that a player must keep their offhand raised above their heads at all times when hitting a forehand. It is just as arbitrary and absurd as saying don't grunt. It is a biomechanically natural thing to grunt.
Do you even play tennis? Grunting at that intensity is absolutely not necessary, and it doesn't serve any other function than to annoy and disturb (notice how it is seldom if ever done in training). In the same way that players don't shout and do ridiculous things during the opponents service motion, they should not grunt to this extent.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
It can be annoying for some but I don't think anyone in their right mind would think grunting gives them an edge :lol:
There are people who grunt when trying to play their best. I become very quiet when I try to focus on each point and hit the ball hard. I understand and don't mind others grunting though. Although I do find Sharapova, Azarenka and the likes funny when they grunt because its so loud :lol:
 
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