Jared Donaldson screams at umpire and intimidates him

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    Can’t help but note it’s the same chair umpire who got smashed in the eye by a tennis bal thanks to an angry Shapovalov. He has the worst luck with male tennis players.
     
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    ... donaldsob ? :oops:
    let's hope he'll apoligizes...

    that being said, in the past such an incident would have gotten unnoticed... whereas now it's all over the net in a few minutes :confused:
    (that doesn't make it right in any way... but i'm not sure i like that either)
     
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    Tbh I find your comment much more disturbing than Donaldson's behaviour.

    He did become emotional (OMG), he must be forbidden, yet he restated the umpire and respected him a minute later, after we, tv viewers, saw the ball inches long, but on the line, so no mark.

    Shame on you for unleashing on a good kid like that.
     
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    There’s emotional and then there’s yelling in someone’s face and getting in their space to the point you have to retreat. Clearly you lack self respect if you think that’s an ok thing to do to someone who’s just doing their job.

    Shame on you for thinking that sort of aggression is ok.
     
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    There's a huge difference between being angry at an umpire and calling him out on his ******** and being aggressive to him. This was way over the line.
     
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    Not cool Jared, not cool at all.

    Who wants to bet that a certain Aussie will soon tweet "If I did this I would get banned for 10 years blah blah blah" :D
     
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    At least he was right about it.
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    Bad behaviour by Donaldson but the umpire simply cannot do something like that. He needs to have a mark to back up his call. He can't start making up imaginary marks cause as hawk eye shows ball is WAY out.

    Nevertheless doesn't excuse Donaldsons behaviour.
     
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    Has an ump ever headbutted a mouthy tennis brat? Too nice a job to sacrifice I suppose but man, some of them really deserve a slap
     
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    Kid? He’s 21, not 14. Don’t get in someone’s face and yell at them. It’s pretty damn simple. Never thought you wouldn’t understand something like that or even attempt to justify it, shame on you.
     
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    Does the umpire need a mark? Wouldn't the original call stands if they can't find the mark? It obviously makes the original call dubious but doesn't mean it can be automatically overturned.
     
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    I can think of one in particular...
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    I think you are absolutely correct on this. I will also say I just played a club tournament this past weekend on clay and sometimes there is no mark. I think red clay is better about it than green clay though
     
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    People get into eachother's face all the time. this was absolutely meaningless in comparison.

    If you can not get yourself to see this in this particular case you are just dumb. Serena threatens to kill a linejudge en Donaldson raises his voice and personally addresses the ump..,. WOW what a disastrous invasion of private space, huh?

    You take this to the extreme, while I choose to look at it from a more human angle, and on the whole I would judge Donaldson's behaviour as refreshing, and very selfaware at the appropriate moment.

    Are you one of the people who unloaded on Shapo when he accidentally hit an ump?

    IMV this falls into a similar category. Overreaction demands adding a much needed perspective.

    I know we will remain in disagreement, so be it.
     
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    While Donaldson's behavior was inexcusable, I think this needs to be the catalyst to implement the challenge system on clay. There's no sense in continuing to subject umpires to this level of scrutiny AND in this case, the player would have been vindicated had he had the opportunity to challenge.
     
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    Tennis players don’t get in umpires faces all the time. Hence why this is a big deal. Are you that stupid? Can you really not see that? This isn’t the NFL, this is tennis and it’s absolutely not on.
     
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    JARED DONALDSON'S RANT IN FULL

    JARED DONALDSON'S RANT IN FULL

    JD: There's a mark there.

    Umpire (pointing to the ground): Just here.

    JD: Where? What are you talking about? There's a mark right here from that ball.

    Umpire: No, it was a previous point.

    JD: Show me the mark, show me the mark.

    Umpire: The fact is I can't see the mark there but it was for sure on the line.

    JD: There's a mark right here (now shouts. There's a mark right here.

    Umpire: Calm down, calm down.

    JD: You're not showing me a mark. You're not showing me one mark. Call the supervisor right now, call the supervisor right now. You're making up a mark because you don't like me. That's why you're making up a mark, because you don't like me. There's no mark right there.

    The supervisor is then called and appears on court...

    JD to supervisor: There are two marks right here.

    Supervisor: Hold on.

    The supervisor then speaks to the umpire...

    Umpire: The serve came just on to the corner. I cannot see the mark there but the mark he is showing me is from the previous point. I couldn't see the mark and the line judge couldn't see it.

    The linesman then comes on to court...

    JD: Where? There's clay all on the line?

    Umpire: There's the mark. He's just showed it to you.

    JD: Where? There's no mark. There's clay all over the line. You've seen a mark where there's clay all over the line? Show me the ball mark. Outline the mark.

    Umpire: He's just shown you.

    JD: Outline the ball mark.

    Jared Donaldson is then given a code violation.

    JD: Why?

    Umpire: You know exactly why you've got it.

    JD: Call the supervisor. Supervisor, supervisor, supervisor. I'm being treated unfairly. What did I do?

    Umpire: You know.

    JD: How about how you behaved to me? Supervisor, supervisor, supervisor. I can call the supervisor whenever I want.

    The supervisor then returns to the court.

    Umpire: I've just given him a warning...

    JD: For what? Because I challenged a mark? Because I challenged a mark, that's why I get given one for unsportsmanlike conduct.

    Supervisor: Why?

    Umpire: For being aggressive with me.

    JD: [Laughs] Sorry I hurt your feelings. Oh sorry. He can call unsportsmanlike conduct for whatever?
     
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    "You're making up a mark because you don't like me. That's why you're making up a mark, because you don't like me."

    A half truth. I'm sure the umpire doesn't like him ( now) but that played no role in the dispute.
     
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    Hawkeye claims accuracy of 3.6mm.
     
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    Umpires need to learn how to do an armbar and some mma ground and pound techniques.

    That way they can put the player in an armbar and pound the ground where they think it landed to show them.
     
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    Has McEnroe started coaching Donaldson by any chance? :eek:
     
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    Oh man, i can only dream that the ump had pulled a Murray and said "yes, I don't like you, nobody likes you." Point penalty.

    I just lost all respect for jared
     
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    Serena was fined (and handed a suspended 3-year ban) for her behavior. Shapovalov was fined and defaulted for what he did. Is Donaldson's behavior in the same class as the former two..no. But it's still inexcusable. He was angry and he let it get the best of him. That doesn't mean it's okay to try and physically intimidate the officials. The much needed perspective is that you can explode all you want. Just don't get aggressive and threatening with the behavior. Even in the NBA, players are hit with technicals for that sort of stuff. Donaldson got off easy.
     
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    You would get at least a yellow card if you behaved like that towards a referee in football. That should tell you how much Jared really crossed the line since tennis is definitely closer to definition of a gentleman sport.
     
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    Just read the script - what an idiot.
     
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    You rarely see someone square up on a tennis umpire like this.

    I was expecting fisticuffs.
     
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    Handled badly by Donaldson, but He is usually a good sportsman on court so will give him a pass, and yellow card, on this one. Bad form for sure, but part of learning.
     
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    Good for him

    Bad chairs that make calls without pointing to a mark should be fired. He was let of easy with just getting yelled at. Wah wah wah he yelled at me.

    Fire the chair cant take the heat in the kitchen
     
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    Lol, some of you guys need to get a grip. If he had physically beaten the umpire to within an inch of his life, then maybe he would deserve a fine or something, but a code violation for simply getting up in his face? Laughable. Generation snowflake at it again.
     
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    So Serena was justified in her behavior is what you're saying?
     
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    Yeah it's a weird world we live in. A lot of guys who were considered pretty great sports that played in the 80s/90s would be tarred and feathered based on raising their voices for a few seconds in a match if the Twitter police existed back then.
     
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    Definitely handled badly. But how many bad line calls has he received in his tennis playing life? And he trained in South America on clay, so I'm sure he's gotten his fair share of bad calls. This just didn't feel like this was his first time "bowing up" to someone.

    I admire his work ethic and he definitely was right to be upset. He could have yelled, screamed and told the umpire he was a disgrace. I would have been a non-event for me. It's just the fact that he leaned in as if he was going to get physical...wow...
     
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    I don't know...how many bad calls has he received in his tennis playing life? Any more than other players?
     
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    All the umpires have vendettas it seems: Tsitsipas now imagining he's a victim.
     
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    Well, he's had a few outspoken moments, but nothing like this I have seen. Not like it is a serious pattern or occurs often. And really, a lot players seem to have their moments were 'something' gets to them and they make those bade choices. If it becomes a pattern then I think there is more there.
     
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    Seems that shapovalov wrecked that umpire's eyesight when he smashed a ball into his eye, because he is blind. Can't make correct calls, sees marks where there aren't any.

    How about this, if the hawkeye shows the umpire is right then he gets to punch the player in the head
    but if hawkeye shows the player was right, then the player gets to punch the umpire in the head and the call is over-ruled.

    When that ump got down to check, then couldn't find a mark where he thought it landed, whilst there was a mark right where the player said it should be, at that point the ump should have had the professionalism and character to admit that he was wrong, over rule, and move on. But no, because alot of these umps have "little emperor syndrome", he just gave he kid a warning instead.
     
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    Hawkeye/Shot Spot is not in official use on clay though the technology is already in place. I think it should be in use on all surfaces. It's a great objective tool. How many times have we seen a player whine and cry about the result from Hawkeye? They have disagreed with the result but I can't recall a single player refusing to continue to play because of it.
     
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    Just saw. Extremely disgusting behavior by Jared Donaldson. Jared and Lucie Safarova do that Tennis Channel "My Tennis Life" on their webpage. It is every Friday and each of them talks about their week for perhaps 5-10 minutes. Wonder if this issue comes up and how Jared justifies this behavior. Hope he is apologetic at least.
     
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    Tennis umpires have to be the worst officials in sports





     
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