Discussion in 'College Tennis Talk' started by Gut4Tennis, Jun 8, 2013.
WOW, Nicole Gibbs to win the Australian open 2014.
Maybe he never turned pro.
He was a pro. The records that far back for prize money just aren't there.
I dont think so. My theory when I saw this result was that Jarmere was exhausted from the college season. This was on clay too and Vines just came back from worlds at turkey. Sometimes there are some interesting results at the end of college season when players are just mentally done.
I found a german documentary over Becker when he was 16. go to 0:10 and look at the shown world ranking
All of those videos shows how much spin he gets from that Wilson. It's insane.
JJ played around. Fact. Not debatable.
JJ then lost in the next rd or something, so he was playing like crap, since he was burnt out from the ncaa's. he almost won the triple crown ( team, singles & dubs). Can you imagine how mentally done he was?
If that's true, then he's not going to make it on the tour.
Yes, if you are playing a non-tour event, and you play just barely well enough to win because you are burned out from the NCAA season, then that one match proves you will not make it on the tour.
Oh yeah, I forgot, all UVA players will make it to the top ten soon, including Jenkins. It's a question of professionalism, and if he was "playing around" as it was posted, then he isn't much of a professional and he'll learn some hard lessons on the tour. If he was just burnt out and tired and had a bad match ok, but if he was "playing around" and toying with this guy and almost lost, then no.
Why would you screw around in a tennis match? It is an insult to the player.
If this is true, then I'm not a fan of Jenkins anymore.
It's like if a top 10 player 'played' around during a 500 tournament with another player by intentionally losing a set and then blowing him/her off the court.
Sorry for the large picture.
Considering this event was just days after the NCAA's why would any of you not chalk it up as him being burnt out? To suggest he was fooling around is an insult to him, the NCAA and to Vines. Just quit being a hater and give vines credit for making it much closer then JJ wanted.
You clearly aren't referencing to me. I made my point clear.
Agree with Gut4tennis 100 percent.
More of your bad logic. The fact that I objected to your original bad logic does not imply that I am making any particular prediction about what ranking Jenkins will achieve. Maybe you should stop wasting everyone's time with stupid postings.
Sooo, if this Old guy played in D1 college tennis team, What would he be Ranked ? top 20 ?
So you disagree with my point that a player who "plays around" and almost loses is being unprofessional and likely won't be too successful on the tour ? You're ok with Jenkins taking that approach ? Just want to clarify that, sorry for my "stupid posting" Clark, really.
I have seen top 10, even top 5 ATP players get tired because of their tournament schedule and look disinterested, lose a match, and they look like they are glad to have the rest of the week off. The announcers just comment that the upcoming grand slam event is more important. It does not seem to knock them out of the top 10. It is a tiring sport. If you think every top pro gives 100% in every match, including every event that they consider a warm-up event for a bigger event, then you have not paid close attention to tennis for the last few decades, as many of us have.
In this case, Jenkins won the match regardless of fatigue. It was a non-rated men's open. The only question is whether a player wants another round's worth of prize money in an event like this. I guess he wanted it just barely enough to win it, but a men's open means nothing to his ATP career in the long run. If you seen him not trying hard when valuable ATP points are on the line, please tell us about it.
I guess I see this as something different than playing around and not trying, which is what was suggested. Obviously every pro gets tired and loses to opponents he shouldn't lose to or they almost lose to someone who they shouldn't lose to. I read the post in question to suggest that JJ was just fooling around and not really trying, knowing he could win in the end. I have no idea if that is true or not, but if it's true I don't think that's very professional. That's just my opinion, and you can disagree without attacking me as being "stupid."
Agassi 'allegedly' threw 2 sets against Connors at the US Open one year, knowing that he would win in 5. Supposedly it was to get the '5 set' monkey off his back. This is just hearsay tho. Does that affect your opinion of Agassi now??
Yes, it was actually the original suggestion by another poster that JJ was "fooling around" that was stupid. Of course, I would also caution against believing such a statement in the first place, especially in the absence of any claims that the poster witnessed the match, talked to Jenkins afterwards or before the match, etc. Perhaps some people are willing to believe anything negative they hear about players from certain schools. Would you immediately believe such hearsay about a Texas player?
Inside information. Also can give you some fun insight into the behind the scenes stuff from the tournament Devvarman won in Richmond if you like. It's a money tournament! You should see some of the tank jobs the Italians pull in Futures events...and that's for points! JJ is 300 in the world cmon man. I watched Alex Clayton absolutely tune Johnny Mac in 2/3...and let's not put this guy in the same galaxy as an adult player as Mac. Who cares anyway geezuz but he did fool around.
Having played a match against him this year I would agree he is a 5.5. Among other things, I'd call him a shot-maker. He can pull off just about any shot, from anywhere on the court, from either wing, when necessary.
I would really like to see some footage of Mark Vines playing.
Just a FYI regarding Mark Vines tennis abilities
I did a Google search regarding the ITF international players rankings and he has been as high as #2 in the world in Nov. 2012 and currently is #1 in in the world in doubles. He won the over 55 world ITF championship in 2012 (see link below). He lost only 8 games in seven straight set wins at this event. Not too shabby!
Now he was born in 1957, but if you stay in shape and have a lot of talent you will still be an excellent player at any age. He is ranked 5.5 in the USTA league system. My guess is that he can still run and that has "all" of the shots and he is one of those guys who "never" misses. Young guys hate to play guys like him as they try to over power them and go for winners. Frankly, I am not at all surprised that Jenkins had tough time against this guy and I am a huge UVA fan.
He also won a main ATP indoor tour in 1981.
I have been unable to determine if he is related to Hall of Famer Ellsworth Vines who won Wimbledon and the US Opens back in the 1930's.
Here are a couple of links.
Here is the other link regarding his 2012 ITF 55+ world championship victory
The 56 year old guy has played in the main draw of the French Open in the
past and won the Paris Open in 1981 (including win against Yannick Noah)
He also made it to the 3rd round in the US Open. (lost to Lendl in 4 sets)
But then again according to some TW posters,
Self-rated TW 5.5 > 1981 Lendl > 1981 Mark Vines > Prime LeeD > Florida 3.5 >Hawaii 5.0 > Oscar Wegner (Self-rated 7.0)
No disrespect but why do you think 56 is old.56 is the new 30 actually.Beware of those seniors,They can really hurt your self confidence.
I have a winning record against people who think 50+ is too old to win at tennis.
and these Oldies think they think they are Young again....fooling themselves. To all Old guys, stop trying to deny your AGE and go play in 55 and over and 60 and over divisions ONLY.
That is pretty funny coming from someone who has to toss the ball 2 or 3 times on every serve before they get it right.
I'm 40+ and win tournaments in the open division, so no you will never tell me what to do. never
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