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Our medicine is 25yr old Scotch.I wonder why Fed devotees become furious when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine.![]()
Our medicine is 25yr old Scotch.I wonder why Fed devotees become furious when someone gives them a taste of their own medicine.![]()
I don't tking he have something against Nadal, just tired by french medias...
Do the French players know how to hurt themselves enough to win?
Tsonga: “Me, I won a silver medal in games with a broken finger (in my 2012 husband in London, editor’s note)… That’s not the root of the problem. We always say French players are rotten. I, I am not spoiled rotten! I come from the countryside, My father is an immigrant, my parents have always lived by religion. I grew up an upbringing that was not strict and rigid, but straight. Today who is predetermined? A little man, left home alone, but who was the fifth in the world, who reached the final of a Grand Slam, and who is today an investor ??Rafa, his uncle was a great player from Barcelona, his father is a famous businessman, they live in a place where the sea is right below his room, he has a tennis court in his garden, we don’t say he’s spoiled?, They always come to break us, to tell us we’re not okay, we have no brains.. .”
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Tennis – ATP – Jo-Wilfried Tsonga: "Rafael Nadal, shouldn’t we say he’s spoiled?"
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga arrived at the end of the road. At the age of 36, while contemplating his retirement, the former world number 5 decided to take a look back at the career that ledsalidachristiancounseling.com
I hear you and - as you know - people from both "sides" exaggerate in both directions.Meh… I basically think the extent of Nadal’s injuries as they relate to his long term health are overrated, while his injuries as they relate to his short term (match by match) health are somewhat underrated.
Tsonga had glass ankles and had multiple setbacks after his best seasons of ‘08-11.
i just don’t think the whole “most injured man in tennis” moniker is a fair representation of Rafa’s situation when you compare him, a 21 Slam winner to players who have actually had their careers ruined by injury. That’s all I meant by it.
And I might argue that a rich guy like Rafa with a boat and other luxuries at his disposal from childhood had no monetary incentive to put in grueling work to become a pro.
It's not less commendable when such a person puts in effort for personal greatness instead of enjoying family fortunes
Raul, as usual you are too good for the mess that is GPPD discussions. Cheers.I hear you and - as you know - people from both "sides" exaggerate in both directions.
I do think Rafa's (congenital?) foot injury has been a constant, and has resulted in a variety of other pains/injuries as well. I also think he has a high tolerance level for "suffering", if at times exaggerated.
But yeah, Delpo might say "hold my wrist", and we can probably name a few more talented players whose careers were detailed by injuries.
Not sure about that, but thanks.Raul, as usual you are too good for the mess that is GPPD discussions. Cheers.
Not sure about that, but thanks.
I'm sometimes like Nishikori - kind of find my level. But yeah, I try to be agreeable, unless someone inflames. I enjoy your contributions here.
Succeed less often, not never succeed. Notice how 2/3 of the Big 3 grew up outside those conditions in quite wealthy families. And Novak's wasn't poor either (by Serbian standards).No-whack disagrees firmly. Grew up in a war torn country, the risk he took to play in those days could've easily got him killed or became a handicapped person by one of the many bombs fired by NATO, but he mentally held himself together.
Nah, just a screen name I chose when first joining. I'm old enough to have enjoyed his style when I was a kid, and getting into this amazing sport. Good, exciting singles player, and great doubles player (mostly with Brian Gottfried) when doubles seemed to be shown a lot more.
Like Lord Gulbis!It's not less commendable when such a person puts in effort for personal greatness instead of enjoying family fortunes
I could never figure out that guy.Like Lord Gulbis!
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What do you have against the rich?Nadal is spoiled and rich. And rich always get richer.
That they hide it to suggest a common man's struggle.What do you have against the rich?
A 21 years old "peakdal" with 0 Slam finals on hard to that point.They don’t make youngsters like they used to. Medvedev and Shapo can’t even beat a geriatric broken body Nadal, Tsonga annihilated a Peakdal.
I get where you are coming from.No one said it was. Nadal put in the effort, obviously, but he had things at his disposal Tsonga never would've had. The only thing Nadal needed was motivation and effort, whereas someone lower class would've needed motivation, effort, and the cash to start off - leading to more risks/perhaps less effective training.
Nadal's path had fewer obstacles, but he still had to run its entire length. His monstrous effort combined with good genetics are the main factors for his success, but privilege helped him at the start.
I read the original declaration and there's no big differences, but for context Tsonga is a little overwhelmed for years by the medias who said that the frenchs players are spoiled, dn"t work enough, are sometimes out of shape, no mental, and that if if they train seriously, they could beat players like Nadal or Djokovic and in GS.
Do you think it's the first time I've seen those highlights of that, apparently, forgotten meeting between the two?A 21 years old "peakdal" with 0 Slam finals on hard to that point.
Anyhow, a very young, pre-peak Nadal annihilating Tsonga at the USO 2007:
Yeah Monfils also addressed this once saying if he had it in him to win RG, he would have done it already. That it is not due to lack of efforts.
True. My point was more in their early stages, before the national agencies come into it. Getting into a sport early is important, and a racquet is a somewhat large investment in many places for many families.I get where you are coming from.
But most top guys including Fed [probably Tsonga and his peers too] have come through the Tennis Federations of their country. All training and tourney bills are footed by those bodies. And there is a group of experts at disposal
Rafa was also offered the scholarship from Barcelona but his family decided to keep him home and his dad footed the bills. I don't know if having an inexperienced Toni alone was as good as having the group of experts from the federation
And how does anyone know this for sure?Did Tsonga work as hard as Nadal?
Most experts doubt it.
Nadal's style of play requires hard work and supreme fitness..... while Tsonga's style of play allows you to save energy (big serving and rushed winners/errors).And how does anyone know this for sure?
How do you measure "working hard" for each individual player?
Measuring one players work ethic against another is not possible.... of course basic fundamentals of work ethic like hrs pit in for training, gym, recovery, etc are basic.... which every player does to a degree.
Mr Tsonga I have news for you. When you win, you can write your history. Ever heard of winners write their history of hard work and dedication? Rafa has 21 Slams - one of the greatest ever to play the game. Now tell me what you achieved Mr Tsonga?I don't tking he have something against Nadal, just tired by french medias...
Do the French players know how to hurt themselves enough to win?
Tsonga: “Me, I won a silver medal in games with a broken finger (in my 2012 husband in London, editor’s note)… That’s not the root of the problem. We always say French players are rotten. I, I am not spoiled rotten! I come from the countryside, My father is an immigrant, my parents have always lived by religion. I grew up an upbringing that was not strict and rigid, but straight. Today who is predetermined? A little man, left home alone, but who was the fifth in the world, who reached the final of a Grand Slam, and who is today an investor ??Rafa, his uncle was a great player from Barcelona, his father is a famous businessman, they live in a place where the sea is right below his room, he has a tennis court in his garden, we don’t say he’s spoiled?, They always come to break us, to tell us we’re not okay, we have no brains.. .”
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Tennis – ATP – Jo-Wilfried Tsonga: "Rafael Nadal, shouldn’t we say he’s spoiled?"
Jo-Wilfried Tsonga arrived at the end of the road. At the age of 36, while contemplating his retirement, the former world number 5 decided to take a look back at the career that ledsalidachristiancounseling.com
And Nadal's style of play wins.Nadal's style of play requires hard work and supreme fitness..... while Tsonga's style of play allows you to save energy (big serving and rushed winners/errors).
Take Nadal and Gasquet who grew up in tennis together and were a match for each other. Gasquet was touted to be the next best thing but his career never really took off. He sometimes looks like he can't be bothered to try.
Gasquet was supposed to be at the top of the tree not an 'also ran' as they say in horse racing.Pretty much everyone looks like a mug compared to Nadal lol. But Gasquet has had a very successful career, the guy made over 19 million dollars in prize money playing tennis, been in the top 10 4 or 5 years, 15 titles. He has been better than 99%+ players that tried to be professionals.
Yup, you are right. Guess that sums up how to assess hard work for a pro player...Nadal's style of play requires hard work and supreme fitness..... while Tsonga's style of play allows you to save energy (big serving and rushed winners/errors).
Privileged? Yes. Spoiled? Maybe. But it has nothing to do with Tsonga winning silver with a broken finger (hadn't heard this; impressive). I mean, it's not as if Nadal didn't have to endure injuries or lacks a fighting spirit or work ethic...
They don’t make youngsters like they used to. Medvedev and Shapo can’t even beat a geriatric broken body Nadal, Tsonga annihilated a Peakdal.
So Nadal is spoiled because Tsonga was even more injury prone? Sorry, I don't follow the logic here.Nadal is nowhere near as injury prone as Jo has been throughout his whole career, especially in the beginning of it.
Nadal didn't need as much money as you may think, since his uncle was coaching him for free (or for very little money).No one said it was. Nadal put in the effort, obviously, but he had things at his disposal Tsonga never would've had. The only thing Nadal needed was motivation and effort, whereas someone lower class would've needed motivation, effort, and the cash to start off - leading to more risks/perhaps less effective training.
Nadal's path had fewer obstacles, but he still had to run its entire length. His monstrous effort combined with good genetics are the main factors for his success, but privilege helped him at the start.
Nadal started his career playing with a broken finger "Competing in the Spanish U14 national championships, he broke his finger in a first-round match. He won the tournament anyways, gripping the racquet with his four good fingers, his pinkie dangling" https://www.ubitennis.net/2020/11/n...a-broken-finger-has-become-a-timeless-legend/Nadal is nowhere near as injury prone as Jo has been throughout his whole career, especially in the beginning of it.