John McEnroe: "Novak Djokovic Among the Ten Best Tennis Players Ever"

Djokovic2011 said:
You seem to be one of the many "Slams are everything and nothing else matters" people out there. Disappointing to see.
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I guess I came across wrong in that post, but I'm not a person who feels that nothing else matters. I had Djokovic slightly ahead of Wilander before he won Wimbledon this year even though he had one less slam. Now that he has equaled the slam count and added more weeks and year end #1 finishes, he continues to move further ahead.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Ah so now you're saying that Nole is clearly ahead of Wilander but that's not what you were saying twenty minutes ago boo boo. :?
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I think that Djokovic is clearly ahead of Wilander but not that far ahead of Wilander...does that make any sense? Before Djokovic won his 7th slam, I considered him very slightly ahead of Wilander but I would not say it was clear then (since the argument could be made that Wilander had more slams). I think that he is now clearly slightly ahead of Wilander. It is clear because he has pretty much at least equaled Wilander in every important metric by matching the total number of slams. It is close because Wilander is tied in the most important one.
 
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Chico said:
Will you please stop feeding these trolls already. What is wrong with you? Why are you working against Novak here all the time. Because of you, instead talking here about Novak being top 10 of all times as it should be, we are comparing him to lesser players like Wilander or Edberg or Becker. Even those three would cringe on that ridiculous notion.

I understand what these hater trolls do and why they want to drag Novak though the mud, but I don't understand what are you trying to do here and why are you derailing and destroying my thread.
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No they wouldn't, because they are comparable.
 
jhhachamp said:
I think that Djokovic is clearly ahead of Wilander but not that far ahead of Wilander...does that make any sense? I think that he is clearly slightly ahead of Djokovic. It is clear because he has pretty much at least equaled Wilander in every important metric. It is close because Wilander is tied in the most important one.
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Yeah, I get what you're saying but don't forget that Nole is also one of only six players in the Open era to have reached all major finals at least twice. That is pretty significant too! :)
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
Yeah, I get what you're saying but don't forget that Nole is also one of only six players in the Open era to have reached all major finals at lest twice. That is pretty significant too! :)
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Of course it is...major finals reached is a significant achievement as well. For that reason, I would still rate Lendl slightly above Djokovic if Djokovic wins his 8th slam at the AO. I would put him ahead of McEnroe and Agassi though...not sure about Connors. He moves past all of those players once he wins a 9th though or if he wins an 8th and continues to rack up weeks/years at #1 and major finals.
 
jhhachamp said:
Of course it is...major finals reached is a significant achievement as well. For that reason, I would still rate Lendl slightly above Djokovic if Djokovic wins his 8th slam at the AO.
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Haha, it's funny because I would actually have Lendl quite comfortably ahead of Djokovic right now. For me Nole would need to win at least 2 more majors and spend at least another year at #1 to be above Ivan. You see cc0 I can do objectivity on these boards you know!! :razz:
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Haha, it's funny because I would actually have Lendl quite comfortably ahead of Djokovic right now. For me Nole would need to win at least 2 more majors and spend at least another year at #1 to be above Ivan. You see cc0 I can do objectivity on these boards you know!! :razz:
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Good points. If Djokovic does nothing else except win 2 additional majors, I would rate him behind Lendl. He has some significant catching up to do in all many other important metrics, although he most likely would get closer in those metrics if he wins 2 more majors.
 
torpantennis said:
Sure Nole is great, but McEnroe's job is to "sell" today's tennis to the American public. If he was touting for Federer, but in the next sentence admitting that Fed is 10 years past his best, would that be a good selling speak?
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His job is to commentate. The only people in America watching tennis are already fans of the game. No one pays for the tennis channel to "see if they like" tennis. Know what you are talking about. No one is being sold anything by John.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
I really don't see what the big deal is over the Career Slam. Lendl never won all four, he never even won the most prestigious one but most people still place him above Agassi these days on the ATG list.
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That's true but, that's because the attitudes towards the slams have changed. Many fans now view each slam equally. When Lendl was playing it was a huge deal that such an accomplished player had never won Wimbledon - the crown jewel of tennis
 
MichaelNadal said:
I miss that guy. Why can't I be great at tennis :( I'd put America on the map alright :twisted: I'd go Monfils on all your candy **.......
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Yeah James Blake was fun to watch when he was on.

I know man, wish I realized when I was younger how much I'd grow to love tennis might be half decent now :lol:

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This guy could be so good if he had the drive to be the best.
 
I have the following above Djokovic in an 'all-time' comparison

Tilden
Perry
Cochet
Budge
Rosewall
Emerson
Laver
Newcombe
Connors
Lendl
Borg
Nadal
Sampras
Federer
Agassi
 
Russeljones said:
I have the following above Djokovic in an 'all-time' comparison

Tilden
Perry
Cochet
Budge
Rosewall
Emerson
Laver
Newcombe
Connors
Lendl
Borg
Nadal
Sampras
Federer
Agassi
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Why do you have Newcombe above Djokovic Russel? And where's McEnroe?
 
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TheFifthSet said:
Accomplishments-wise, barely, peak-wise not even close IMO.

I was never particularly impressed by Agassi's peak compared to other ATG's.
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Well, then we disagree. Agassi would easily be at 10+ slams if he had taken the game even slightly seriously. His resurgence in his 30's, and that he at that age pushed peak Fed to the same degree that Peak Novak pushes old Fed shows that. Contender for biggest talent the game has ever seen imo.
 
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Sysyphus said:
Well, then we disagree. Agassi would easily be at 10+ if he had taken the game even slightly seriously. His resurgence in his 30's, and that he at that age pushed peak Fed to the same degree that Peak Novak pushes old Fed shows that. Contender for biggest talent the game has ever seen imo.
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Fair points.

I personally believe Agassi's lost years partially contributed to his longevity. He didn't really have as much mileage as you'd think for a guy entering his 30's, because he sort of eschewed the "grind" of a long season. Took lots of sabbaticals from the game.

He gave Federer some tough matches, as you said. I believe he even won more total points in their 2004 Quarterfinal at the Open.
 
TheFifthSet said:
Fair points.

I personally believe Agassi's lost years partially contributed to his longevity. He didn't really have as much mileage as you'd think for a guy entering his 30's, because he sort of eschewed the "grind" of a long season. Took lots of sabbaticals from the game.

He gave Federer some tough matches, as you said. I believe he even won more total points in their 2004 Quarterfinal at the Open.
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Yeah, that is very true. It helped him last a bit longer.
 
TheFifthSet said:
Fair points.

I personally believe Agassi's lost years partially contributed to his longevity. He didn't really have as much mileage as you'd think for a guy entering his 30's, because he sort of eschewed the "grind" of a long season. Took lots of sabbaticals from the game.

He gave Federer some tough matches, as you said. I believe he even won more total points in their 2004 Quarterfinal at the Open.
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i think agassis career is representative of his results. he didnt go after the no1 ranking like he could have in 1995, and he skipped gs tournaments, and he didnt really get it together until '99. i think hes near same level as djokovic since they have similar gs wins, and djokovic has wtf titles and more weeks/yrs at no1.
 
Chico said:
Will you please stop feeding these trolls already. What is wrong with you? Why are you working against Novak here all the time. Because of you, instead talking here about Novak being top 10 of all times as it should be, we are comparing him to lesser players like Wilander or Edberg or Becker. Even those three would cringe on that ridiculous notion.

I understand what these hater trolls do and why they want to drag Novak though the mud, but I don't understand what are you trying to do here and why are you derailing and destroying my thread.
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- Chico, on Djokovic2011.

Bless him, and RIP.
 
Chico was right here. Djoko is in a completely different league than Wilander/Edberg/Becker. A league above for sure.
 
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