John McEnroe:" Roger is the most beautiful player I've ever seen in a tennis court."

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So why did YOU have to tell him to delete his signature a few posts ago, after claiming you had no connection to him.

For the benefit of all involved, the signature was "Zeeshan you would have made it deep into slams if weren't going deep into Zeenat" - a reference ostensibly to Mr.Ali's wife. Originally posted by Sentinel which ksbh made into his signature.
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Because if he is not genuine (as he himself has started admitting), he should not have that in his sig (even if someone else wrote it). It is one thing to boast about your exploits, but not otherwise. In fact, long time ago I had asked him why he chose to name her (and it is not his wife but an actress of old) in public. You can even find that post if you search for it.

For the nth time, I have no connection with him or the player or whoever it is. I had asked him many questions about his racquets, experiences with other players like Krishnans, even about his father! And there was nothing in the answers (absent or present) that stood out.
 
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Dudes, people have different online and real-world persona. ksbh has the highest respect for Federer as he has practised with him, and only players of that level can relate to each other's game. He portrays a different image here to provoke the *******s.

For example, I also understand how difficult it is to get to Fed or Nadal's level, but I give "advice" to them here. Do you think I really mean it?

It is all part of the fun.
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Here you are vouching for him. Claiming to know that he has a different online persona to provoke *******s. You also say it's all part of the "fun".

Seems to me you were completely complicit in this whole charade.
 
We really believed him. Here are a few posts, starting from the one I mentioned where I question him about revealing her name:
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Thank you, AF!

No, you're not a nobody ... at least not to me. One of the lessons I learned is that everyboody is significant in some way. My experience with Zeenat taught me that. She was the heart-throb of hundreds of thousands of people. I was an unknown from the world's perspective, though popular in Indian tennis circles. And I thought what chance do I have of making love to this beautiful & famous woman. But yet it happened. You can never tell!

Wouldn't she be upset that you revealed such details of her life?
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Zeeshan Ali

But truth be told, I was only famous in India. I don't know if many people knew who I was outside my country.

Seriously, are you really Zeeshah Ali? You never know what's the truth on TW! I remember seeing your matches man. You kept the flame burning after Vijay Amirtraj and Ramesh Krishnan bowed out.
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Got it Sentinel! You're a man of honor ... and I can see that in the things you've written in this very thread!

Needless to say, I'm a muslim. Yet, I'm disgusted with the animal slaughter industry. Such cruelty to animals just to satisy the tongues of people with no sense control!

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Good for you KSBH! Excellent work. I played nationals and college tennis before playing some pro satellite tourneys. I then focused on studying/work during my latter college years. Yet, you were a regular out on the Tour. Congratulations for making the Wimbledon junior semi's in addition to your other pro results. That's great. Was it awesome playing at the AELTC?

I bet in the decades to come, quite a few excellent Indian players will emerge on the Tour. When I was a kid, I was a ballboy at a WCT tourney. I got to meet Vijay Amritraj and he joked that he "needed a Indian Umpire too". He was real nice and a excellent serve and volleyer, especially. If you don't mind me asking, did you ever meet Ramesh Krishnan, or his famous father who was one of the first Indian tennis pros? Thanks.
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Thanks GS!

The prestige that comes with playing this sport is exceeded by the honor of playing some legendary players. I didn't win big tournaments in my playing days but I'm more than satisfied with my career!

Where do you live now? If in India, any plans to have a tennis academy? There is so much talent there but we need more facilities. Also, we need other sports to counter-balance the asinine obsession with Cricket.
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Zali, I am thinking of what it means to be 129 in the world. That means you were light years ahead of the best guys I have hit with. I cannot even fathom it.

How did it happen? Did you progress slowly from being an average junior to such a level, or did you sense from the beginning you were going to be very good? At what age can you "feel" that you can be a pro?
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jaw just hit the floor.

Yeah, but all Zeeshan does here is make fun of Federer's perfect nose!

Did you guys knows that our Zeeshan once had a clandestine affair with Zeenat Aman, a top Indian actress.
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He usually played Zeenat on an empty stomach.

But his best performances came after a glass of warm milk before bedtime.

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What's up with McEnroe?
I don't know who he likes anymore.
But Rog did have a stunningly beautiful game in his prime.
 
nikdom said:
Here you are vouching for him. Claiming to know that he has a different online persona to provoke *******s. You also say it's all part of the "fun".

Seems to me you were completely complicit in this whole charade.
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You can think what you want, but if he was genuine, it all fitted the profile of a former pro who is jealous of Federer (and thinks he is on PEDs) for achieving what he could not.

Note that someone who claims he is Nadal cannot pull this off, but claiming to be a little-known pro with a losing record with specific references to his religion, an actress of his time, and the small group of people who followed tennis that time - that can be quite believable.
 
may be ksbh is sureshs's creation.
a brilliant conception to bash federer with a "former-pro-who-knows-his-tennis" persona.

just wondering ...
 
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For the benefit of all involved, the signature was "Zeeshan you would have made it deep into slams if weren't going deep into Zeenat" - a reference ostensibly to Mr.Ali's wife. Originally posted by Sentinel which ksbh made into his signature.
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ksbh's EXACT signature was:

"Come on, Zeeshan. You may have made it deep into the slams, had you not made it deep into Zeenat so often - Sentinel"

It's all been cached.
 
OTMPut said:
may be ksbh is sureshs's creation.
a brilliant conception to bash federer with a "former-pro-who-knows-his-tennis" persona.

just wondering ...
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No, I am not that good.

But it is impressive to keep this up for almost a 5 year run. Must be the GOAT of Internet ruses.
 
I hope the mods take this seriously. In any case they should hear from someone at UAE tennis. I've contacted Salah Branly, technical director at UAE tennis player development, who should be able to pass this on to Mr.Zeeshan Ali. I've asked him to contact TW directly so the appropriate action will be taken. If I don't hear back from the director, I have other leads as well.
 
Suresh has clearly stated that it was all part of the fun, yet you want to drag this on as long as you can! You're not so naive to believe you can make a case out of this, are you?

In any case, you reported me & you reported Suresh as well. Can we move on now or are you going to try and squeeze the last drop out of it like the sugarcane juice makers? :)

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Here you are vouching for him. Claiming to know that he has a different online persona to provoke *******s. You also say it's all part of the "fun".

Seems to me you were completely complicit in this whole charade.
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Yeah right! Your post had nothing to do with me or any of my claims yet I deleted my signature after your post? LOL!

I deleted it because Suresh instructed me to do it in the best interests of keeping the peace here.

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I see that ksbh has deleted the false claim in his signature after my post. :oops:
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Defamation? ROFL, get off whatever it is you're smoking ... and off that high horse while you're at it!

You have no problem with all the nonsense that's written about Nadal & Federer? And the more serious charge of Nole & PEDs? I don't see you objecting to any of that kind of defamation! Get real!

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At worst, you guys best hope your joke doesn't bring on defamation charges.
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ksbh said:
Suresh has clearly stated that it was all part of the fun
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Let me put it this way: Me and several others believed you were the real deal, a former minor league pro player with some outspoken comments about the new generation and their use of doping. Did we believe it 100%? No. If you see the posters I had quoted, they start out asking if you are the real deal, and then gives you the benefit of the doubt, and ask for more details. Most of us are like that. We did not lose or gain anything by believing you, but gave you the benefit of the doubt because we were really interested in the opportunity. We did not spend any money, communicate with you privately, or agree to meet you in a remote location (though I was really thinking that if I ever visited Dubai in my travels every year, I would come out and experience a pro ball). That is because no pro would ever hit with me in reality for a reasonable amount of money.

Now that I look back, I don't think you ever directly answered whether you were so-and-so or not. It was the impression people got by reading other's posts, and it became a chain reaction. Even the signature was something somebody else set you up with (minus her last name, which seemed acceptable at that time, with you keeping your name and leaving out her last name). There are tens of thousands of women with that first name.

We thought your comments about the woman were a form of boasting, which is not unknown among pro players, and it was credible because if she did have a fling, she would feel secure with a person of her community, if you know what I mean, especially given the conservative attitudes of that time. I was actually more bothered when you would not comment on Ramesh Krishnan and others, which I attributed to jealousy. I was also offended when I asked you once about your father and found the link about both of you running a clinic, and did not get the expected respectful tone.

Apart from that, we and the others just moved on. If you were real, good, if not a few posts were wasted. If we did not believe you, we did not expect you to prove who you were, because we ourselves would never respond to anyone who says send me an email with a copy of your driver's license otherwise I won't believe you. Again, the whole thing is similar to someone thinking 15 years down the road that Max Mirnyi was posting, and a small group of Belarusians thinking it is quite possible. If it was Nadal, people would definitely not give the benefit of the doubt.
 
Allow me to throw some light on this issue of Zeeshan/ksbh so we can put it to rest.

About a year back, ksbh used to put "Zeeshan Ali" in many threads such as "best player", "greatest this or that.." (just as he today keeps mentioning Sunny Deol).

At one point (and this could be in the thread about vegetarians, where this really took off), I asked him if he was Zeeshan, and i believe he gave me a positive answer (or did not deny it). However, sureshs looked up wiki and pointed out that Zee lives in Dubai whereas ksbh is in the US. This itself pointed out that it was a joke.

Further, ksbh had already spoken about being Tamil (south indian) and a vegetarian (Muslims are not vegetarian) so all these pointed out that it was a joke. I am absolutely shocked that someone of the intelligence of @sureshs did not notice this immediately but i have to go by what sureshs says. I once even commented that Zeeshan would be surprised that googling his name points here, and ksbh also laughed at that.

ksbh has always posted using US times (i.e., at my night time, I am in India), so he has never been posting from Dubai.

It has occurred to me that sureshs and ksbh are one, but no ... it is only on 2 or 3 occasions that sureshs has actually used ksbh to bolster some argument, and that too nothing important - maybe just to say that Nadal volleys better than Federer!.

ksbh seems to be a Pete fan (which sureshs has never come across as) who therefore hates Federer, and therefore loves Nadal and therefore hates Nole :D From his posts, I doubt that ksbh has ever played tennis at all !

Nikdom, zeeshan is too unimportant a player for you to take this up seriously. ksbh did not deliberately put on this act, it just happened somehow with my asking him if he was Zeeshan. If you go through the vegetarian thread, you'll probably see how it all went. Also, the number of times he has actually pretended to be Zee (say something as Zee) is very small, if at all.

99% of ksbh's posts are just hating on Federer without using Zee's name. sureshs just got badly conned in all of this - i still can't believe he didn't see through the game.
 
Nikdom dude,why the heck do you care so much to go to these lengths? It was just a joke,get over it.I doubt Ksbh did so much damage to public persona of Zeeshan,a guy frankly most people don't even know about.I've seen people impersonating even Federer here(obviously as a joke),here's a link to one thread in which I remember OP doing just that,it was made after mathematical genius Roger schemed Murray out of Masters Cup:

http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?p=4148842

Seriously people here slander and make serious accusations against top former and current players on a regular basis,that's the nature of internet forums,it's hardly worth taking it so seriously.
 
you guys are ridiculus. This thread was opened to discuss McEnroe's statements about the great Roger. If you wanna talk about something else please go talk on other threads, seriously.
 
Zagor, I believed that ksbh was indeed Mr.ZA. I had suspicions, but this was a sustained and deliberate claim made many times and every time, ksbh seemed to have corroboration in the form of other posters seemingly accepting that identity. In fact, it soured any opinion I had about this unknown player Mr.Ali, because it seemed he had an online avatar that was such a bad sport about RF with his vile comments and so on.

Yesterday, after ksbh and suresh's claims in this thread about how ksbh would know better than the rest of us because he was supposedly a former player, I decided to try and really find out. When I asked ksbh first, I still believed it was the real man but a little incredulous and therefore tried to probe him. When it was evident he was most likely not, I gave ksbh and suresh ample opportunity to come clean and admit the impersonation. They played coy. They were banking on the fact that no one could do anything about it, so they were defiant. Now, both of them have changed their tunes.

Zagor, why do I care enough to go to this length? For two simple reasons -
1. The more I looked up the real Mr.ZA yesterday to really try to ascertain whether ksbh could be him, he seemed like a very decent man who represented my country of birth with honor. The man has won humanitarian awards for his work. It seemed very bad that someone would tarnish his reputation by acting like him. Especially when his real views don't seem to be anything at all like ksbh is portraying here.

2. The impersonation is deliberate and there is no remorse. ksbh precisely used Mr.ZA's anonymity as a ploy to make his impersonation seem more plausible. Plus, this was not just a one time thing. I've seen posts by him acting as Ali for a long time.

Look, one can come on this board and spew all one's opinionated drivel as much as one wants - as some anonymous internet poster. No harm done. To claim to be a former pro player so your drivel can get more legitimacy is cowardice and simply unconscionable if you look at it from the real person's good name and image. If he'd said something incredulous like 'I'm Nadal' or someone famous, his joke would have been not taken as seriously. But in fact I did really think he was someone real.... as may have many others who had no clue. And believe it or not, real people associated with the sport do skim this forum. What if someone who recognizes Mr.ZA's name but does not know the real person gets the wrong impression of him?

I wouldn't have gone to this extent if ksbh and suresh had come clean yesterday and admitted it was a joke - a really bad one, but a joke nonetheless. But it was evident they were not going to stop obviously assuming no one could do anything about it.

Sorry. I wasn't going to let that fly any further. Let the real man decide if his impersonation online is something he cares about or not. Mr.ZA or his staff may not bother with some petty online stuff, or they may care enough to respond.

At the very least, this course of action has brought ksbh to admit his fake claims. No one confronted him before and now we have concrete proof in this thread so this cannot continue further. Let him make his comments as who he is, some irresponsible teenager (or sick middle aged man) who thinks its cool to win favor not through reason and intelligence but by claiming to be someone else.


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Defamation? ROFL, get off whatever it is you're smoking ... and off that high horse while you're at it!

You have no problem with all the nonsense that's written about Nadal & Federer? And the more serious charge of Nole & PEDs? I don't see you objecting to any of that kind of defamation! Get real!
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ksbh, it is one thing for posters here to claim Fed or Nadal are taking PEDs - this is blind speculation undertaken by some tennis crazy fanboys. Everyone knows who is making those claims - some unknown guy sitting at his computer.

What you did is another level of trolling. You succeeded in fooling people into believing that you were a certain former pro player. You then offered your own biased and unreasonable opinions as that of that player. You did this not as a one time joke but as a sustained persona that you could rely on anytime anyone challenged your personal, myopic views.

So stop feeling sorry for yourself. You have no shame enough even at this point to come out and clearly admit your mistake. Sorry that it had to come to this for your false grandstanding to come out.
 
FR & Zagor- thanks for your support folks, much appreciated! Once again, I'd like to say that you're among the genuine Federer fans.

Suresh- As ever, a wise and thoughtful response. No wonder you're among my favorites on this forum!

Herr Sentinel- Brilliant analysis and spot on. I made so many remarks, some quite straight forward, to reveal the truth. As you stated- being South Indian & vegetarian and of course, these days I'm an African American! LOL! And after a brief dip in form, I'm delighted to see that your sense of humor has kicked into high gear once again! I must admit that I especially look for your & Suresh's posts every single day on the forum!

Nik- All said and done, I wanna thank you. I've never had so much attention on an intenet forum! Sadly, it's come to an end but for these last couple of days, I've revelled in it! Thank you! I must also confess that while everything you said was true and the intent was right, I was overcome by my compulsive need to troll and hence my responses. I hope you'll find a way to forgive me.

And before I end Nik, I did get the report you filed on my website and the Dubai Tennis association contacted me about your report as well! Thank you for your concern about my reputation. Such impersonation by anonymous forum writers is shameful indeed! ROFL!

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What's funny is that when McEnroe says Nadal is the best player he's ever seen or whatever, all of the same people in here will say he's a complete idiot.

McEnroe says a lot of things. His purported brilliance or idiocy seems to always correlate to whether or not people agree with him. Kind of funny, that.
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Amazing how that happens...

time after time.
 
Jonas said:
Im not a huge Federer fan (Rios is still my all time fav), but he's EASILY the prettiest tennis player to watch.

Granted, I never saw Laver or Borg play in person, but no one hits/moves like RF.....he's a completely different breed..

His feet make 0 noise.....it's kind of spooky.

Every person on this forum owes it to themselves to get out to a tourney and see an RF practice session before he hangs them up.
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I saw him play Baghdatis in Cincinnati. Wasn't impressed at all. I don't see it on TV either. But I did like to see Rios and Arazi play. To me, they had the most fluid games I've ever seen.
 
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Eventually some player will be the next stage in evolution.:)

Let's look at the record. McEnroe said Sampras is the GOAT. He also said Federer is the GOAT later. He changed his mind and switched Federer to 7 or 8. He changed his mind again and Federer is the GOAT again. I didn't hear that he said Nadal is the GOAT. That's new.

But I am not sure what to believe because when he said Sampras was the GOAT, he also said he liked his chances against Sampras when he was at his best in 1984. So was McEnroe in 1984 greater than a GOAT?

Is Agassi still the greatest returner?:confused:
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JMac is sick. He changes his opinion more than most women change their shoes. I can't believe anybody pays him any attention.
 
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I dislike Federer the person, as he is a metrosexual twit, who used to cry habitually at one of his rare Grand Slam losses. Truly an awful display for a grown man.
But in terms of visual game, he is hands down the most sublime male to ever play the game. Every single stroke is pure grace and beauty.

To even compare the Laver serve, to Federer's is a joke. Pancho Gonzales had the best serve in terms of grace, Federer and Sampras close to that.

Nastase had the next most beautiful game, but his serve was a bit iffy.

McEnroes slice approach and subsequent volleys were in the same league or perhaps better than anything Federer, but his groundstrokes were perhaps the worst visually in tennis history. Thus ruining a lot of the overall spectacle.

Now today, Federer, is a shell of his former self and he would be well advised to re-invent himself a bit and change the pace and height of the ball to beat Monfils today.

But Federer himself, Obviously, wants to go down as the most beautiful player of all time and REFUSES to change his game to perhaps put him in position for another Grand Slammer.

Its too bad about his face as well, that squished in face a la Quentin Tarantino ruins the overall a bit.
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Funniest post I've seen in a while.
 
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By the same logic, Andy Roddick must also be a beautiful person inside, because he has raised millions for children in his charity. In reality, he is a petulant type, constantly picking on umpires and linespersons when he is losing. While you have Serena doing the McDonald's charity tour every year, her real persona came out in the match against Clijsters when she was losing and faced the foot fault call. Federer heaped insults on Nadal and Djokovic when they showed that they could stand up to him.

With celebrities, you must be careful in separating genuine intent with publicity. It is now "mandatory" for every celebrity to "do good," so that the stupid masses don't feel jealous of them, and enrich them further by attending their events, paying beyond their ability. It also comes with fame, TV shows, a book, more money, and even political leverage.
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Amazing how that happens...

time after time.
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I saw him play Baghdatis in Cincinnati. Wasn't impressed at all. I don't see it on TV either. But I did like to see Rios and Arazi play. To me, they had the most fluid games I've ever seen.
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JMac is sick. He changes his opinion more than most women change their shoes. I can't believe anybody pays him any attention.
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Funniest post I've seen in a while.
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That's very true.
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Great picture. They don't look happy at all. They look confused, like why's he here?
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awesome ! i agree ! you're the greatest poster !
 
vive le beau jeu ! said:
but you're the greatest poster too...... and the bunniest ! :)

(even if TheTrout wins in terms of "straight posts"...)
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There can be only one greatest poster.And that's me coz I posted this.The greatest post ever.


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..and of course you're right in saying I'm also the bunniest of 'em all.
 
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I wouldn't have gone to this extent if ksbh and suresh had come clean yesterday and admitted it was a joke - a really bad one, but a joke nonetheless. But it was evident they were not going to stop obviously assuming no one could do anything about it.
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Dude how many times do I have to tell you that I believed he was the real person (as several did), though of course we all know that 100% certainty is not possible and we had our doubts? Have you even read the previous posts over the years in which people congratulated him and asked him how it was to play in that era, etc.? I told you several times I have nothing to do with this person or the other one, having not communicated with them in any way. You seem to be somehow fixated on your opinions, even when the whole issue has now been explained by Sentinel. It seems somebody once asked him whether he was so and so, and he kind of let it hang there and let people think what they wanted.
 
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Dude how many times do I have to tell you that I believed he was the real person (as several did), though of course we all know that 100% certainty is not possible and we had our doubts? Have you even read the previous posts over the years in which people congratulated him and asked him how it was to play in that era, etc.? I told you several times I have nothing to do with this person or the other one, having not communicated with them in any way. You seem to be somehow fixated on your opinions, even when the whole issue has now been explained by Sentinel. It seems somebody once asked him whether he was so and so, and he kind of let it hang there and let people think what they wanted.
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Now the real question is: is ksbh actually Sunny Deol ? :):twisted: He once did agree to being very handsome when you asked him !


nikdom, pls read my explanation. I think I've tried to explain how this happened. I am amazed how no one else joined the dots. There were many other clues people picked up, but there's no point going over the whole thing. Anyone who wants to can find that vegetarian thread and study it, lol.
 
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However, sureshs looked up wiki and pointed out that Zee lives in Dubai whereas ksbh is in the US. This itself pointed out that it was a joke.

Further, ksbh had already spoken about being Tamil (south indian) and a vegetarian (Muslims are not vegetarian) so all these pointed out that it was a joke. I am absolutely shocked that someone of the intelligence of @sureshs did not notice this immediately but i have to go by what sureshs says.
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Allow me to throw some light on this issue of Zeeshan/ksbh so we can put it to rest.

About a year back, ksbh used to put "Zeeshan Ali" in many threads such as "best player", "greatest this or that.." (just as he today keeps mentioning Sunny Deol).

At one point (and this could be in the thread about vegetarians, where this really took off), I asked him if he was Zeeshan, and i believe he gave me a positive answer (or did not deny it). However, sureshs looked up wiki and pointed out that Zee lives in Dubai whereas ksbh is in the US. This itself pointed out that it was a joke.

Further, ksbh had already spoken about being Tamil (south indian) and a vegetarian (Muslims are not vegetarian) so all these pointed out that it was a joke. I am absolutely shocked that someone of the intelligence of @sureshs did not notice this immediately but i have to go by what sureshs says. I once even commented that Zeeshan would be surprised that googling his name points here, and ksbh also laughed at that.

ksbh has always posted using US times (i.e., at my night time, I am in India), so he has never been posting from Dubai.

It has occurred to me that sureshs and ksbh are one, but no ... it is only on 2 or 3 occasions that sureshs has actually used ksbh to bolster some argument, and that too nothing important - maybe just to say that Nadal volleys better than Federer!.

ksbh seems to be a Pete fan (which sureshs has never come across as) who therefore hates Federer, and therefore loves Nadal and therefore hates Nole :D From his posts, I doubt that ksbh has ever played tennis at all !

Nikdom, zeeshan is too unimportant a player for you to take this up seriously. ksbh did not deliberately put on this act, it just happened somehow with my asking him if he was Zeeshan. If you go through the vegetarian thread, you'll probably see how it all went. Also, the number of times he has actually pretended to be Zee (say something as Zee) is very small, if at all.

99% of ksbh's posts are just hating on Federer without using Zee's name. sureshs just got badly conned in all of this - i still can't believe he didn't see through the game.
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Couple of points. I was the one who first found one of the links about him coaching and conducting clinics, and where he was based (before nik found it). I even asked him about his father, who was one of the "three musketters." But the "whereas ksbh is in the US" was perhaps your inference, not mine. I did not correlate posting times, etc. as I don't keep track of such stuff. It made perfect sense for someone who perhaps did not make much money to move to Dubai - thousands have done it. As far as posting about being an African, I think you once said you were Ethiopian. Not a big deal on this board.

Also, there are many Muslims who are almost vegetarian as they grow older. It is really up to them. One thing I notice now is that he said he believed in Eastern philosophies (in this thread). That stood out, as you would not normally expect him to say that. But there are many open minded Muslims who are very educated in other religions and freely discuss ideas and so forth. A pro tennis player who has traveled widely and stays in a cosmopolitan city would fit into that category.

Though you think highly of my intelligence, it is probably not what you think it is. It is perhaps I let the emotional side interfere - the player is only a few years younger to me, was often in the papers when he was a player, lived in the same city, played in the same club I have visited, his father was well known in the area, etc - and he was not famous. It seemed too much of a coincidence to believe ksbh would be involved with this person, of all people.
 
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Wow. Seems I missed a lot of drama here!

Sureshs, let it do, dude. We need you to return to trolling about Federer and his backhand. :)
 
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Sentinel said:
nikdom, pls read my explanation. I think I've tried to explain how this happened. I am amazed how no one else joined the dots. There were many other clues people picked up, but there's no point going over the whole thing. Anyone who wants to can find that vegetarian thread and study it, lol.
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Good to know you were involved enough in all this tomfoolery to be in on the joke. I did not, and folks who were responding to his posts claiming to be more knowledgeable because he was a former pro, did not.

Also, I'm appalled by what you said earlier about Zeeshan Ali being a nobody. Only an Indian could say something like that. If after having the honor of representing India he is a nobody, who are you and I? As long as its good for some crude jokes, we Indians have no pride or shame do we - making fun of one of our own.

My guess is also there is some anti-muslim sentiment involved in here somewhere. The jokes on vegetarian diets, biryani and zeenat all seem tinged with religious tones.

That joke about Indians as crabs in a tin can with no lid is true - as long as your own are pulling you down, who needs enemies?
 
ksbh said:
I did get the report you filed on my website and the Dubai Tennis association contacted me about your report as well! Thank you for your concern about my reputation. Such impersonation by anonymous forum writers is shameful indeed! ROFL!

;)
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I'm still confused. So is he or is he not Z. Ali?
 
Fedbelly said:
its fedio.
what happened to your sig?
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good question...it miraculously just vanished, i guess the guy i quoted didn't like his own quote so he sulked a bit till it vanished. Was hilarious though. :)
 
sureshs said:
Couple of points. I was the one who first found one of the links about him coaching and conducting clinics, and where he was based (before nik found it). I even asked him about his father, who was one of the "three musketters." But the "whereas ksbh is in the US" was perhaps your inference, not mine. I did not correlate posting times, etc. as I don't keep track of such stuff. It made perfect sense for someone who perhaps did not make much money to move to Dubai - thousands have done it. As far as posting about being an African, I think you once said you were Ethiopian. Not a big deal on this board.

Also, there are many Muslims who are almost vegetarian as they grow older. It is really up to them. One thing I notice now is that he said he believed in Eastern philosophies (in this thread). That stood out, as you would not normally expect him to say that. But there are many open minded Muslims who are very educated in other religions and freely discuss ideas and so forth. A pro tennis player who has traveled widely and stays in a cosmopolitan city would fit into that category.

Though you think highly of my intelligence, it is probably not what you think it is. It is perhaps I let the emotional side interfere - the player is only a few years younger to me, was often in the papers when he was a player, lived in the same city, played in the same club I have visited, his father was well known in the area, etc - and he was not famous. It seemed too much of a coincidence to believe ksbh would be involved with this person, of all people.
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Yes, the Eastern philosophies thing was another. He once talked of previous or next births, and maybe even karma, and that's another clear pointer. My muslims friends (and I've grown up with many good ones) all believe in a specific judgment day etc and only one life). I picked up Zeenat only because the first 3 letters matched his, and @ksbh wove her into his tiresome autobiographical stories, which again pointed to me that it was all a joke.

I think you once asked him if he used a wood or graphite and IIRC he first avoided then said graphite.

Anyway, I totally believe you that you did not see through it. I notice that you do not read posts too carefully, lol - i've often admonished you for replying without reading. The timezone issue is very apparent to me, since I am in another TZ in which almost no one else is around. Who comes in when is clear to me.
 
nikdom said:
Good to know you were involved enough in all this tomfoolery to be in on the joke. I did not, and folks who were responding to his posts claiming to be more knowledgeable because he was a former pro, did not.

Also, I'm appalled by what you said earlier about Zeeshan Ali being a nobody. Only an Indian could say something like that. If after having the honor of representing India he is a nobody, who are you and I? As long as its good for some crude jokes, we Indians have no pride or shame do we - making fun of one of our own.

My guess is also there is some anti-muslim sentiment involved in here somewhere. The jokes on vegetarian diets, biryani and zeenat all seem tinged with religious tones.

That joke about Indians as crabs in a tin can with no lid is true - as long as your own are pulling you down, who needs enemies?
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Wait wait. nikdom, you are getting a bit carried away.

1. Nowhere have i called ZA a nobody. I said he is not important enough for your making an issue of impersonation or whatever out of. Maybe back in those days, yes, but many many years have passed.

2. There was never any anti-muslim sentiments in that thread or here. You are again getting very imaginative. On the contrary, a vegetarian diet was supported by ksbh and myself. Others made fun of it. My only point is that these were all discrepancies in the story.

3. Please don't generalize with this Indian pulling one another down thing. We've constantly supported Indian players here - I've mostly stopped starting threads on them since others call them journeymen/women.

4. I was not "in" on the tomfoolery. I suspected it and assumed everyone else figured it out. I did not promote it, nor did anyone else. There was no need for me to call it out, since it was not made into anything big.

Cheers.
 
Sentinel said:
Anyway, I totally believe you that you did not see through it. I notice that you do not read posts too carefully, lol - i've often admonished you for replying without reading. The timezone issue is very apparent to me, since I am in another TZ in which almost no one else is around. Who comes in when is clear to me.
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On the contrary, I work with people who seem to be on their machines at 1 am anywhere in the world. So time means nothing to me.

As for not reading posts carefully, hehehe are posts meant to be read carefully?

I totally believe now that if an image of something/someone has entered the brain, it will ignore rational evidence and look at everything from that angle. In this case, an image had been formed and everything was assumed from there and minor discrepancies did not register.
 
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