batz
G.O.A.T.
So you agree that we shouldn't seed on a subjective basis - except for Murray. Well done on your cognitive dissonance.
John McEnroe says Rafael Nadal should be No. 1 seed at French Open
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So you agree that we shouldn't seed on a subjective basis - except for Murray. Well done on your cognitive dissonance.
batz
G.O.A.T.
I have news for you, and it's all bad. If murray is ranked 2 on 20th May then he'll be 2nd seed at rg. Deal with it.
If you think Nadal's seed being bumped up is justifiable, then I think it is certainly justifiable that he be seeded No. 1 based on his record at Roland Garros specifically, and on clay in general.
However, if Djokovic outplays him leading into RG, it might be hard to move him higher than #2.
I would just stick with the rankings (for a few reasons that I detailed in another thread).
However, if Djokovic outplays him leading into RG, it might be hard to move him higher than #2.
I would just stick with the rankings (for a few reasons that I detailed in another thread).
Rules are rules and they have to stick with it.If every time a top player misses a longer period of time and tournaments have to "adjust"the seedings according to them,it would be a disgrace.
If they make a case once they have to stick with it in the future and i doubt Nadal or any other player wants this kind of controversy.If Nadal is seeded 5,big deal,it`s not like he will be seeded this low all the time.
And if it happens a Djokovic-Nadal quarterfinal then so be it.
Certainly tennis rankings are a lot better then a complete random draw with no seeding whatsover like in the FA cup or other competition.
If they make a case once they have to stick with it in the future and i doubt Nadal or any other player wants this kind of controversy.If Nadal is seeded 5,big deal,it`s not like he will be seeded this low all the time.
And if it happens a Djokovic-Nadal quarterfinal then so be it.
Certainly tennis rankings are a lot better then a complete random draw with no seeding whatsover like in the FA cup or other competition.
ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
1: We don't know how severe his 'recent physical problems" are. Judging by people's predictions of Nadal's dire future over the past decade, we cannot predict anything!
2: Again "pulling out all the stops"means nothing - he pulled out all of the stoppers during his loss in AO '11. He's injury-prone isn't he? Or is he only injury-prone on non-clay surface? I just don't understand how his injuries will miraculously heal by playing 3 tournaments leading up to FO.
larlarbd
Banned
Hahah, No Really ? Well, now thinking about it , yes - that seems very fair. Roger is 7-times champion , he has earned the no#1 seed in Wimbledon , I'm sure he won't be given the no#1 seed ( those brits will offcourse scratch their home kids back = Murray) , but my question is , if Rafa get NO#1 at RG , why shouldn't Fed be no#1 at wimby ? all of a sudden justine makes a lot of sense.
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NadalAgassi
Guest
Nadal shouldnt be given the #1 seed at RG. He should be given something from the #2 to #4 seed. Djokovic the last couple years has been the 2nd best clay courter, and beaten Nadal several times on clay, so there would be no justification seeding only 5th ranked Nadal below him. Anyone else is reasonable though, and Ferrer should be a no brainer.
As for Wimbledon, Murray and Federer shared sucess as the best grass courter last year; and the couple years before that Federer did poorly on grass, and worse than all of Djokovic, Nadal, and Murray, so based on recent performance Federer would have no justification being seeded anything above his rank, nor will he.
vernonbc
Legend
He has? Gee, what happened to 2012? Did it just disappear into the vortex? Were those three Nadal victories over Djokovic just a figment of my imagination? And anything that happened prior to 2011 doesn't count either? Hmm. The world is crazy, no?
Start da Game
Hall of Fame
seed him 32nd and pit him against djokovic in the third round for all i care.......
tusharlovesrafa
Hall of Fame
I just posted this to create some ruckus..I am not really concerned about rafa's ranking.He could be ranked 5th or 1st,if he is feeling well and his body is 100%,I'll give him more than a decent chance to win RG.
President
Legend
This. I don't know why everyone is making such a big deal of this, it makes for more interesting matchups earlier in the tournament if nothing else.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
It is pointless to base Djokovic's problems on how well Nadal has handled his problems against observer theories, so my Djokovic point stands.
...and Djokovic's injury will magically fade in time to cut through the competition at the FO? If ever there was an event Nadal would turn on the afterburners for, it would be the FO, as opposed to a non-major event.
Steve0904
Talk Tennis Guru
Point is Djokovic is clear cut #1 and just beat Nadal in MC. There is no justification whatsoever for seeding Nadal #1 at this point in time. Even you have to admit that. Nadal can have all his RG titles, but right now we all know Djokovic is very capable of beating Nadal on any surface, even clay, and has done as much in recent years.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I agree. It's not like Djoko is #1 DESPITE a poor record on clay. He's made all the red clay finals last year and is starting even better this year. No, they either keep Rafa where he is or if they have to make a change, then do a permutation with Murray. That's really the only thing that makes sense to me.
winstonplum
Hall of Fame
Who cares where they seed Rafa. He's most likely going to have to go through Nole to win the title anyway. Quarterfinals, semis, whatever. Hopefully it will be a war and hopefully Nadal will come out on top.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Correct. If he is so good on clay and obviously he is, it does not matter whom he has to go through to try and win the title.
Clarky21
Banned
He used to be, but I think Cvac is the best player on all surfaces right now, clay included.
President
Legend
He is the best HC player and he MIGHT even be the best CC player (gotta see how Rafa's form looks as clay season progresses) but there is no way he is the best grass player right now, sorry. He was beaten convincingly by both Federer and Murray on grass last year.
cc0509
Talk Tennis Guru
Nope, Djokovic is the best player on HC right now, not on clay or grass. If Djokovic wins Madrid and Rome and the FO, you can say he is the better clay court player presently as well, but not until then.
Clarky21
Banned
I disagree. I think he is by far and away the best player on hardcourts and clay right now, with grass coming in third. Even though grass is his worst surface he can still win Wimby again and I think he will.
Clarky21
Banned
Cvac exhausted? Not a chance.
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monfed
Guest
Ralph doesn't need to worry bout his seed.
He'll get a cake draw as usual and will beat up on a worn out Djokovic in the final.
He'll get a cake draw as usual and will beat up on a worn out Djokovic in the final.
ivan_the_terrible
Hall of Fame
Didn't Wimbledon rearrange the seedings many years ago? I can't recall the situation, but I believe it was a matter of switching #1 & #2. However, popping a #5 guy on top is pretty drastic.
Apologies if the Wimbledon thing has been explained earlier.
Apologies if the Wimbledon thing has been explained earlier.
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
JMac says a lot of things. And like Apple stories on Tech websites, JMac got his achieved 'name in the press' out of this. I thought he'd died in a plane crash in the Amazon jungle until I saw this story and realized he was still alive. 
Use the rankings. Especially in today's era of less difference between the surfaces.
Use the rankings. Especially in today's era of less difference between the surfaces.
Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
I am not sure why people are taking what John McEnroe says seriously? I would rather listen to Guy Forget or someone from the French Open organizers.
I do believe Nadal deserves a higher seeding than 5 and I am not a Nadal fan. How can the French Open organizers seed Nadal 5 when they risk Djokovic and him meeting in the quarterfinals? Nobody wants to see that.
I think the decision is simple, move Nadal to the number 2 seed that way he and Novak are prevented from meeting each other until the final.
Or, move Andy Murray down out of the top 5 players he has the worst record on the clay courts.
I do believe Nadal deserves a higher seeding than 5 and I am not a Nadal fan. How can the French Open organizers seed Nadal 5 when they risk Djokovic and him meeting in the quarterfinals? Nobody wants to see that.
I think the decision is simple, move Nadal to the number 2 seed that way he and Novak are prevented from meeting each other until the final.
Or, move Andy Murray down out of the top 5 players he has the worst record on the clay courts.
Clarky21
Banned
No he won't, Monfed. Nadal can't even beat Cvac even if he's playing his worst tennis ever. Nadal will not win any of the clay masters this year or RG.
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monfed
Guest
Ralph played extremely well in MC,it's just that he got outplayed that day. It's ok he had his off day, when Rome rolls around, Ralph will be in tip top form,winning Barcelona will give him that confidence boost, and will thus win Rome. When Ralph wins Rome he'll have the mental edge over Djokovic just like last year and will thus win RG too.
So just relax, Ralph got this.
Clarky21
Banned
Ralph played extremely well in MC,it's just that he got outplayed that day. It's ok he had his off day, when Rome rolls around, Ralph will be in tip top form,winning Barcelona will give him that confidence boost, and will thus win Rome. When Ralph wins Rome he'll have the mental edge over Djokovic just like last year and will thus win RG too.
So just relax, Ralph got this.
On what planet did Nadal play extremely well in MC? Was it the 35 unforced errors to 18 winners in the final? Or was it choking a 5-1 lead to clay god Tsonga, and losing a set to Dimitrov? Nadal played like crap from start to finish in MC, and is still playing like crap in Barcelona.
nethawkwenatchee
Professional
It will be interesting to see what happens between numbers two and three. As of now, only ten points separate Andy and Roger and it could mean the difference between who will have Nadal in their half.
Jake Gittes
Banned
There's almost no doubt in my mind that Murray will be ranked #2 by the time the FO rolls around. Too many points to defend for Federer.
nethawkwenatchee
Professional
Seriously? I'll take Mac's credibility any day.
nethawkwenatchee
Professional
True. This will be a case where Nadal being four or five could make a difference for one of these two. I (and I would bet either of them) like the chances against Nole better on any given day (on this court) no matter what seed he is.
Mick
Legend
Ralph played extremely well in MC,it's just that he got outplayed that day. It's ok he had his off day, when Rome rolls around, Ralph will be in tip top form,winning Barcelona will give him that confidence boost, and will thus win Rome. When Ralph wins Rome he'll have the mental edge over Djokovic just like last year and will thus win RG too.
So just relax, Ralph got this.
i didn't get to watch the whole match but from the Djokovic post-match interview, Djokovic said the wet court in the first set neutralized Nadal's topspin (paraphrased). So under ideal conditions, Nadal probably still has the advantage on a clay court. Less than ideal, Djokovic would have the edge.
skip to 0:33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlbysmEgH0Q
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beernutz
Hall of Fame
That is incorrect, there have been several unseeded FO winners in the Open era the last of which was Gaudio in 2004. Costa was a 20th seed when he won in 2002.
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