Joints Burning too Quickly, ....dude

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plasma

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I love pull ups. Even when I had no body I could go all the way down and up back and forth, floss the bar at chin level and do crazy circles and forearm pulls. Nothing feels as deep and compound as pull ups, except maybe benching.
Here's my question. I get great gains from pull ups but the recovery time kills me... the back muscles heal and grow quickly but it seems I'm always waiting for the shoulder joints (ligaments?) to lose their soreness after such a deep workout.
Any knowledge on what's going on physiologically would be greatly appreciated. Also any tips on quicker joint recovery as the shoulder soreness is the last thing I have to wait for in terms of working out again.
I love the feeling of pull ups, and the feeling I get from having a strong healthy back. THe joint recovery is a royal pita though...waiting an extra day for the shoulders to feel loose and pain free again sux, pls help.
 
plasma said:
I love pull ups. Even when I had no body I could go all the way down and up back and forth, floss the bar at chin level and do crazy circles and forearm pulls. Nothing feels as deep and compound as pull ups, except maybe benching.
Here's my question. I get great gains from pull ups but the recovery time kills me... the back muscles heal and grow quickly but it seems I'm always waiting for the shoulder joints (ligaments?) to lose their soreness after such a deep workout.
Any knowledge on what's going on physiologically would be greatly appreciated. Also any tips on quicker joint recovery as the shoulder soreness is the last thing I have to wait for in terms of working out again.
I love the feeling of pull ups, and the feeling I get from having a strong healthy back. THe joint recovery is a royal pita though...waiting an extra day for the shoulders to feel loose and pain free again sux, pls help.
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Have you tried any supplements like Glucosamine/Chondroitin?

Did you have the same joint recovery issues when you were younger?
 
I don't think they're an abnormal issues per se. I'm doing 400 push ups tonight, already feel a bit sore after 50. I think the recipe is the t'ai chi like movement "stretches" I do afterward, gotta do more.
I remember before glucosamine and chondroitin were popular for everyone. They were only advertised for people with arthritis. I said to my doctor, "hey, wouldn't that work for everyday people to help with their recovery?"
Nooooo", she said.
Doctors are often very dumb. I recently tried to open a biz with a doc who was literally insane. Wish me luck with my podiatrist monday.
 
plasma said:
I don't think they're an abnormal issues per se. I'm doing 400 push ups tonight, already feel a bit sore after 50. I think the recipe is the t'ai chi like movement "stretches" I do afterward, gotta do more.
I remember before glucosamine and chondroitin were popular for everyone. They were only advertised for people with arthritis. I said to my doctor, "hey, wouldn't that work for everyday people to help with their recovery?"
Nooooo", she said.
Doctors are often very dumb. I recently tried to open a biz with a doc who was literally insane. Wish me luck with my podiatrist monday.
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Break a leg (not a foot)! :-D
 
Try using ice...
Ice baths are a great way to rejuvinate (can't spell that!) your muscles and help you heal faster.

I take one every sunday.

babs.
 
great suggestion. I don't want to stop going hardcore. I like the feeling of motion and not weights. So when I DO lift I don't want to do some slow therapeutic crap. I want to see results the next morning...literally. Ice bath thread made me realize through feeling and personal experience and putting it up against the study posted that infact the muscles do miss out on some growth and development, even though the ligaments love the relief which lasts all week.
Boxing is all about ice and vaseline. The ice makes hurt and inflamation go away.My coach used to dip me in vasoline, even the groin protector outside my sparring trunks was greased...so glad I had ice and grease when I learned that invaluable art, the art of not being hit, and hitting with deadly force.
 
no way! I'm a six pack ectomorph who loves the feeling of a hard workout but not the ouchy recovery. Yes I do look at parts of my body and work them for aesthetic improvement, we all do that though. Body builders must REALLY love what they do...it ain't fun like boxing or tennis...
 
I take glucosamine sulphate and I think it helps, although I think its one of those things the jury are still out on.
 
plasma said:
I love pull ups. Even when I had no body I could go all the way down and up back and forth, floss the bar at chin level and do crazy circles and forearm pulls. Nothing feels as deep and compound as pull ups, except maybe benching.
Here's my question. I get great gains from pull ups but the recovery time kills me... the back muscles heal and grow quickly but it seems I'm always waiting for the shoulder joints (ligaments?) to lose their soreness after such a deep workout.
Any knowledge on what's going on physiologically would be greatly appreciated. Also any tips on quicker joint recovery as the shoulder soreness is the last thing I have to wait for in terms of working out again.
I love the feeling of pull ups, and the feeling I get from having a strong healthy back. THe joint recovery is a royal pita though...waiting an extra day for the shoulders to feel loose and pain free again sux, pls help.
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Make sure you strech dynamically before every workout, and do slow, controlled static streching after you workout. Light static stretching after workouts helps prevent DOMS (Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness). Protein shakes right after workouts helps tremendously, or if opposed to shakes, foods with high amounts of protein works too! Works much better if you eat right after you workout.

-BA
 
awesome suggestion but I don't ever drink protien shakes, push up soreness sucks. I liked the guy with the weak back on the 100 push ups challenge wiki-ad, further weakening himself with bad form.
Even their logo is someone weakening themselves with pushing up with a curved back.
I've got a challenge, I'm sure Mav and Jolly will own it but I am guessing that 85% of the fools who try the 100 push up challenge will FAIL...enkh.
It's called the plasma one push up challenge. I give everyone who ever tried the 100 push up challenge one year to do a single push up with proper form and a straight back.
You can do 50 with sway back and keep chimping away.But try even 5 with correct form and your body will collapse. 6 minute fitness, 12 minute abs, 100 push up challenge, try my 60 minute meditative jumprope plasma challenge. Harder to cheat...
 
plasma said:
awesome suggestion but I don't ever drink protien shakes, push up soreness sucks. I liked the guy with the weak back on the 100 push ups challenge wiki-ad, further weakening himself with bad form.
Even their logo is someone weakening themselves with pushing up with a curved back.
I've got a challenge, I'm sure Mav and Jolly will own it but I am guessing that 85% of the fools who try the 100 push up challenge will FAIL...enkh.
It's called the plasma one push up challenge. I give everyone who ever tried the 100 push up challenge one year to do a single push up with proper form and a straight back.
You can do 50 with sway back and keep chimping away.But try even 5 with correct form and your body will collapse. 6 minute fitness, 12 minute abs, 100 push up challenge, try my 60 minute meditative jumprope plasma challenge. Harder to cheat...
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I'm not much of a fan of protein shakes, until I met the fitness trainer of a few ATP Pros (whom I cannot mention). The trainer told me about this amazing organic protein which help post muscle soreness. Its called Protein Extreme and I currently use it and can really attest to its benefits. I feel no soreness the day after and it tastes great!

-BA
 
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yeah the whey and gatorade crap just isn't good for my body. I am all natural. coconuts, breakfast of champions, goofing off on my routine because I already have a killer body and risk injury through overtraining, something I do frequently.
Joint recovery time form weight bearing exercises sucks. The way it slows down my punches sucks. A guy who is naturally 180 and uses weights to get to 210 will punch stronger at 180. A guy who is naturally 210 and leans down to 180 will snap both their necks.
I'm going back to t'ai chi, tennis, and all that fun movement stuff that does NOTHING to build an outer body. I am happy with what I got. A body that looks like the late great arturo Gatti. Rest in peace champ, your technique was perfect, your life was perfect, you gained the respect of the world, stand up arturo, get up there and get your belt man, you earned it...
 
plasma said:
Also any tips on quicker joint recovery as the shoulder soreness is the last thing I have to wait for in terms of working out again.
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Blood circulation through the soft tissues of the local area is going to have a major effect on recovery. Targeted resistance training for the purpose of developing increased capillary density and vascularization will enable more blood to move through the tissues and correspondingly faster recovery. Stretching/contracting the muscles is also a good way to push more blood through the affected area.

If you watch baseball on TV, you probably see a lot of pitchers sitting around with big ice bags on their pitching shoulders. This is not what you want to be doing under normal daily circumstances. Ice is for injuries and inflammation. Icing will delay recovery from the soreness experienced from normal (albeit heavy) activity because it reduces blood flow to the affected area. A lot of kids are misled by what they see on TV and they ice their shoulders for soreness when it is inappropriate and countereffective.
 
I can't cite my sources, but with Google around, what's the point. I do remember reading:

- Army study found that pushups AND pullups could be harmful to the shoulder joints, apparently due to the hands being fixed, thereby imposing joint strains not present if same movements were performed with freely rotating handles/dumbells/etc.

- Everyone knows that wide-grip pullups behind the head are a no-no for rotator cuff, I've read that even normal pullups can be damaging as well - probably for same reason above.

I was a big pullup guy the past couple years, but recent rotator cuff problems in my hitting arm have me reconsidering that repetitive movement, and I've noticed that Both shoulders have clicking (crepitus) going on inside. Clicking, popping is considered normal in many joints but I've read that this is decidedly not so for the shoulder. I can't think of any other way I've damaged my non-hitting arm shoulder than pullups and pushups.

You might want to switch to dumbells and/or gymnastics rings.
 
push ups suck and cause 2-3 days of painful soreness but pull ups literally show up on my Grandmaster Bruce Lee body the next morning. I go under the bar back and forward just like they say not to, as I am always trying to balance the muscle usage.
Pull ups feel awesome, even straining to do them I imagine hanging on for dear life and saving myself.
Also push ups build explosive snap on punches but I like to badly damage fighters with body shots that require total fluidity and quick accurate hands. Everyone here knows I'm abnormal. I got my butt kicked real bad by my bro going up and it gave me the ocd to master tennis and boxing.
At least I know something no one here does, even guys 100 times more knowledgeable and ripped than I do (and I don't mean how to break an orbital bone really nice). What I understand is the meaning of natural power. Simply working the bodies own coordination produces more power than bulking up with weights.
But the insecure guys on this board are unhappy with their looks and want to look like Brock Lesnar...better to punch like Fedor than look like Brock...
after their fight Brock will be injured pretty bad, probably need jaw surgery...
 
plasma said:
push ups suck and cause 2-3 days of painful soreness but pull ups literally show up on my Grandmaster Bruce Lee body the next morning. I go under the bar back and forward just like they say not to, as I am always trying to balance the muscle usage.
Pull ups feel awesome, even straining to do them I imagine hanging on for dear life and saving myself.
Also push ups build explosive snap on punches but I like to badly damage fighters with body shots that require total fluidity and quick accurate hands. Everyone here knows I'm abnormal. I got my butt kicked real bad by my bro going up and it gave me the ocd to master tennis and boxing.
At least I know something no one here does, even guys 100 times more knowledgeable and ripped than I do (and I don't mean how to break an orbital bone really nice). What I understand is the meaning of natural power. Simply working the bodies own coordination produces more power than bulking up with weights.
But the insecure guys on this board are unhappy with their looks and want to look like Brock Lesnar...better to punch like Fedor than look like Brock...
after their fight Brock will be injured pretty bad, probably need jaw surgery...
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Brock'll maul him.

Well, if you're that attached to your Grandmaster Cobra-back then I guess that's great, but the cost of not listening to your body might be your rotator cuffs - then you can say "bye bye" to your sub-GOAT Sampras serve. You wanna' look bad, feel bad... or be bad? Bodyweight exercises are nice, but very overrated in some circles.

Gymnastics rings can be made at home - just trot your bad-ass down to Home Depot.:)
 
you are wiser than the deadly old chinese master who is teaching me some crazy crap. I spar with and train fighters but this old guy can break me in half without any muscular strength. Not the best fighter ever but he can kill a bull with one punch...gotta get a ppsi meter and put him up against the pro MMA champions I train next to, he'd own these guys X10 and would never ever touch a weight.
'Nother thing is though, although I have damaged several fighters with the weights free thing, it doesn't give the same cathartic mental release feeling in my body as doing "hard work".
You're sooooo right that body weight exercises and resistanace in general is overrated compared to the resistance that naturally exists.
I'm not saying that weights don't make you look great, big and beachworthy...I get like that overnight.
I just like corners approach better. Let's see,...???? do I wan't to look lean and have the death punch or look tough and not even have my threshold looseness level needed to take guys out of the game??? I call it "thunder" in memory of the great Arturo.
Corners will outlive Jolly and Mav, and all the other posters out here who are posterchildren for the insecuritie$ that we buy from our media.
UFC coach just told me the weight difference between fedor and brock, yeah way too much for a fair fight. Getting hit by someone 50+ pounds heavier than you....hospital time....
 
plasma said:
awesome suggestion but I don't ever drink protien shakes, push up soreness sucks. I liked the guy with the weak back on the 100 push ups challenge wiki-ad, further weakening himself with bad form.
Even their logo is someone weakening themselves with pushing up with a curved back.
I've got a challenge, I'm sure Mav and Jolly will own it but I am guessing that 85% of the fools who try the 100 push up challenge will FAIL...enkh.
It's called the plasma one push up challenge. I give everyone who ever tried the 100 push up challenge one year to do a single push up with proper form and a straight back.
You can do 50 with sway back and keep chimping away.But try even 5 with correct form and your body will collapse. 6 minute fitness, 12 minute abs, 100 push up challenge, try my 60 minute meditative jumprope plasma challenge. Harder to cheat...
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Plaz... do you ever do bent leg (i.e. 'girls') pushups... with knees on the ground and feet up in the air?

I like these better as they are easier on all the joints... and I can do quite a few more... which benefits my chest/triceps to a greater degree, IMO.

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corners said:
Brock'll maul him.

Well, if you're that attached to your Grandmaster Cobra-back then I guess that's great, but the cost of not listening to your body might be your rotator cuffs - then you can say "bye bye" to your sub-GOAT Sampras serve. You wanna' look bad, feel bad... or be bad? Bodyweight exercises are nice, but very overrated in some circles.

Gymnastics rings can be made at home - just trot your bad-ass down to Home Depot.:)
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Are pullups using rings safer and more effective? Are there any workout routines for 'normal' people using rings?

I've never thought of hanging a set of rings from my ceiling joists.
 
Bud said:
Plaz... do you ever do bent leg (i.e. 'girls') pushups... with knees on the ground and feet up in the air?

I like these better as they are easier on all the joints... and I can do quite a few more... which benefits my chest/triceps to a greater degree, IMO.
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I think it is fun doing pushups with your feet elevated/balanced on a med ball.

J
 
yes but as a result of insecurities and media stereotypes internalized by the regs here, it's more of a weekend warrior's club.
 
Bud said:
Are pullups using rings safer and more effective? Are there any workout routines for 'normal' people using rings?

I've never thought of hanging a set of rings from my ceiling joists.
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Yes, I think they are safer. If the problem is that the fixed position of the hands leads to joint stress caused by sub-optimal angles then freely rotating handles should allow the body to avoid those stresses and angles. I think the thing is what they call the scapulo-humeral (shoulder blade-humerus) rhythm. These two bones need to move in harmony in order to avoid strain. Lifting/pulling with the hands 'unfixed' allows the organization of the movement to be guided by this rhythm.

Gymnastics rings are popular amongst the bodyweight exercise crowd, the Crossfit crowd, and others. There's a company in the States that sells them - nice but spendy, or you can make your own: doing a search for 'homemade gymnastics rings" or similar should give you a couple options. Home Depot used to sell plastic rings for children's swingsets that are actually plenty strong enough. Some chain, rope or nylon webbing and you're set. They're pretty versatile as you can vary the height of the rings and/or the angle of your body to get different levels of resistance. Hung low they provide an entry point for the elementary gymnastics, but super-difficult for us folks, exercise called the 'muscle up', as well as inverted rows, etc.
 
my hands are great from pull ups. Unlike push ups the injury from pull ups like benching is acute and as a result of going tooo hard. Not the body disliking the motion. Being able to hang is the same feeling as being tall or being able to jump...THat girl doing the girlie push ups looks awful.
I would be screaming at her to do something else. Her gut ain't strong enough to do anything but hurt her back with this motion. Her *** sticks out like she's at folsom. You ain't in folsom girl, tuck that ***. She's not as grotesque as some in her form, but still bad, still weak, her body screams many things not equipoise though...not equipoise.....
 
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