Juan Martin del Potro and the draws

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  1. Feather

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    The man was injured a large part of his career. Now when he is trying to make a comeback, every time he is running into top players early. Stan in 2016 Wimbledon, Novak Djokovic a million times and now 3rd round against Roger Federer at Miami. Of course his ranking is very poor and he is bound to play tougher players early but he is always getting tough opponents early. To get good ranking you need points and a good draw, when will this guy get a break with draws? Really feel sad for him. I wonder whether he will ever reach top ten again
     
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    That's not unlucky. The round of 32 is where low seeds are supposed to meet high seeds.

    If they want to improve those seeds, they either beat the higher seeds from time to time, or schedule themselves into tournaments without the high seeds and do well in them.

    All is fine in the world of Del Potro. Let the system play out. Big fan of Del Potro, but right now he's sort of treading water with his results, so it stands to reason he should be stagnating ratings-wise. When he's feeling well enough, he'll make his move.
     
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    Not unlucky, just not good enough. Look at Federer, he had to beat 4 top ten players in AO and he did. Del Potrol had many chances, but he wasted all of them.
     
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  4. tennisaddict

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    He is definitely unlucky, he is unable to add more tournaments for fear of injury / being in shape for bigger tournaments.

    One just needs to look at Nadal 2013 - draws will work out a way magically for him and before you realize he was winning multiple masters and 2 majors.
     
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    If he is the real Mr.top10,he should not fear any real combats especially those against top guys,rather than walking over no names.
     
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  6. Terenigma

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    Oh give me a break, you're going to run into a top player in the first 3 rounds if you're ranked too low. Literally every player is going to run into a member of the Big 4 or a top 10 player eventually. If you're relying on "avoiding big names" early then you shouldn't be playing tennis. Playing better players early is probably beneficial since a few of them are slow starters and don't really hit their stride till QF+ so if anything, its a blessing.

    ...You still need to beat them.
     
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    Of course from round of 32 onwards, low seeds are supposed to meet high seeds, no doubt about that! But he was continuosly getting drawn with one of the best hard court players of all time, Novak Djokovic. Now that Novak is out of Miami, he gets drawn with Roger,who is CURRENTLY doing very well, in the third round. That was what I meant by unlucky
     
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  8. tennisaddict

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    Delpo's 2016 record was 32-12.

    He won against Murray, Djokovic, Nadal, Cilic, Stan, Goffin, Sock, Dmitrov (2), Thiem (2), Karlovic(2), Isner, Ferrer.

    That is way too many quality wins for someone ranked 32. Shame his success at Davis Cup and Olympics were not rewarded appropriately.
     
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    I feel like he'll beat Federer. Strange things happen at this tournament. I'm getting a Miami 2012 vibe
     
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    Kohlscreiber , who is ranked 30 , was 32-21 in 2016

    Verdasco , who is ranked 31, was 29-26 in 2016

    Berdych , who is ranked 14 , was 39-20 in 2016

    So that puts what Delpo has done in perspective
     
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    Op, Del Potro had always a bit of bad luck to run into Federer (actually played him more than Djokovic).

    Now, that might not have been entirely incidental as there were large periods of time, where Federer got to play the up-and-comers more than anyone and Del Po was one of them.

    In Del Potro's case Federer played him every time when he was in good form and more often than not managed to win.

    His injuries have always put him in unfavourable position when it comes to opponents from the big 4 in the early rounds.

    Amazingly, he rarely met with Nadal ( I guess he could not get a chance since so many spanish lapdogs were scheduled), who he always plays tough.

    :cool:
     
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    Really unlucky. Literally he has to face "top" players in the very first rounds due to his ranking, but 3 matches with big 3 back 2 back is just too much
     
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    It would be such a good story if he beat Roger in the third rd of Miami. So perfect. Friends, with a nike/wilson connection to boot.
    An Argie in South Florida gets to challenge his friend, A tired older champion who just won Indian Wells.
    Postmatch handshake>bro-hugg.
    Then delPo goes on to beat a top tenner or two, like Dominic Thiem and Stan Wawrinka...finally running out of delpetrol in the final against another Spanish-speaking player -- Nadal. Maybe Nishi-san.
    I'm not saying any of this is fixed, but...this could be...
    Such a good Miami story.
     
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    Yeah he's getting sh*t draws. He's just gonna have to pull some upsets and get through em. Which he is capable of.
     
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    Wouldn't it be cool if Delpo wins Miami ?
     
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    I was just thinking the same! Delpo just doesn't get a breather....how unlucky can one get? If Fed has to lose, I sure hope it will be against Delpo and the guy goes on to win the whole thing.
     
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  17. chjtennis

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    We are in the era of Big 4. Early meeting with one of them is not that uncommon.
     
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    We're n in 2012?
     
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    The big 4 era was 2007-2013.
     
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    Needs to beat one of these big players eventually if he wants to win titles. Shame about his slice BH which means if his FH is off he won't win many matches :(
     
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    It will be tough for Del Potro to come back to the top just by playing big tournaments, where he is bound to get this kind of draws because all top players are participating.

    Last year he won Stockholm and that would be the same as making a Masters SF or Slam QF, so lower tournaments should be a solution.

    He also kind of sucked last year on clay, where he didn't get many points and skipped RG altogether. Plus the loss to Pouille in Wimbledon... He surely has points to gain.
     
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    What really could have helped him was the Olympics. It's unfortunate they removed ATP points from Davis Cup and Olympics. Otherwise Del Po would be in Top 20 easily. The goodnews is he basically has a full schedule from Wimbledon and after (other than late Fall tourneys). So he's already accumulated a decent amount of points. But yes for once I wish he'd draw someone like Nishikori or Raonic so he can definitely get past the 2nd round.
     
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    Delpo wouldn't be caring about draws if his backhand had improved over the winter and he'd be shredding his way through the field right now. Unfortunately, it got a lot worse and we're stuck with the forehandy version of Karlovic
     
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  24. 6-3 6-0

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    Delpo's serve, as good as it is, is not as good as Karlovic/Isner. He doesn't get as many free points off it as they do.
     
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    What I mean by Big4 era simply means the period where all big 4 are active on tour. They are still very active and much relevant.
     
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    No they're not, they're all decline. The main reason why everyone's so "excited" is Fed's resurgent form. The rest of the tour sucks atm. The younglings can't even beat Donald Duck or Stankanimal.
     
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    Well, if you ask punters who will win the next tournaments, I am sure the names that come up first are still very much those of Big 4's in 2017. As much as they have declined, it is clear they are still the major players of ATP.
     
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    I actually think he's lucky. The fastest way to get really good again is to play the top guys.
     
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    That goes to show what a failure the new faces are.
     
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    If Del Potro plays the way he did against Djokovic in Indian Wells he could beat Federer. There's a reason why Fed only won Miami twice and the last one more than a decade ago.
     
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    It also helped tremendously that Djokovic touched the net on a crucial point in their Semi-final encounter at Roland Garros. ;)
     
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    It is unfortunate in a way, but tbh I'm not sure how good he is right now. What I'm saying is that his ranking is probably accurate because he doesn't have a topspin BH. Unless he can fix that he's very unlikely to be a consistent top 10. If he got easier draws he'd probably make a few nice runs and be ranked higher, but he wouldn't be any more likely to beat Fedalovic or Murray/Wawrinka in a 3rd RD or a SF/F.
     
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    Federer winning would be stranger imo. Del Forehand is the favourite in this match
     
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    Can't look at del Potro in the same light after Basel last year. Don't forget him calling another player his "mother's c*nt."
     
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    Google is your friend.
     
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    That friendly feller reminded me of the slur's target.
     
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    I thought he is being incredibly lucky to be able to play top names without getting into QF and beyond. How many get to "practice" with quality names in early rounds? not many, because we only have a few. In a major only 8 guys out of 124 can hope to play against the big 4 before round 3. And for a player like Delpo who has already wona major, the goal is not just being in top 10. It's to win another major - it won't happen unless is able to defeat the top guys.
     
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    I don't believe in rigged draws but must admit JMDP has been extremely unlucky with the draws since his come back...

    It's also sort of ironic he WAS able to beat the likes of Djokovic and Murray but in the events which don't bring much ranking points (Davis Cup, Olympic Games)...
     
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    LOL, everyone should take a chill pill. The whole world is so whiny they make a huge fuss about meaningless stuff like that. Just like with NK's antics.
     
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    Is it possible that like Djokovic and Murray would have tried harder if raking points were on offer? Not sure if Delpo would have done better because he is on a comeback trail. But I think Djoker and Murray would have definitely tried harder to win if Davis cup and Olympics meant more than national glory.
     
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    His comeback has been incredible. Don't get me wrong.

    What was Google supposed to tell me, btw?
     
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    The way Romance language speakers swear.
     
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    Nadal was no.5 in the world in 2013 for a while. Still much better ranked than Delpo. He was in the top 5, not top 32 like Delpo.

    He was never going to get difficult draws because of his superior ranking.
     
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    In 2012 Fed went into Miami after winning Rotterdam, Dubai AND IW on the trot. He ran out of gas that year, not the case this year where he even got a W/O in IW.
     
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  45. mike danny

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    It has to be mentioned that Delpo has never beaten Fed in a masters event. They have played 5 times, winning just a set against Roger.

    I wish Del Potro wins because I like the guy, but realistically speaking, I think the match will turn out to be similar to their Cincy 2011 match.
     
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