Juan Martin Del Potro vs Rafael Nadal (4th Round)

who will win?

  • Nadal in 3

    Votes: 30 22.2%
  • Nadal in 4

    Votes: 46 34.1%
  • Nadal in 5

    Votes: 8 5.9%
  • Del Potro in 3

    Votes: 7 5.2%
  • Del Potro in 4

    Votes: 35 25.9%
  • Del Potro in 5

    Votes: 9 6.7%

  • Total voters
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TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal in 3 sets. I don't see any player stopping him.

People who voted DP is just hoping Nadal to lose. Everyone knows DP's chance is slim and none.
 
Nadal in 3 sets. I don't see any player stopping him.

People who voted DP is just hoping Nadal to lose. Everyone knows DP's chance is slim and none.

His chances are either slim or none, can't be both. But I reckon your underselling him a bit. Delpo can catch fire and cause some real problems for Rafa, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Lol he won't face a BP or break a sweat? Please.

I didn't even read his whole post to be honest but I know that he's one of the most knowledgable posters around so he must have said some pretty smart stuff so I can't help but agree.
 
Nadal could take 30 sleeping pills before this match and phone in the win from his death-bed.

Potro holds no advantage over Nadal in any area of the game other than possibly the serve. Still, Nadal is also one of the best servers in the game and THE greatest returner (Djokovic and Murray don't count cuz they just try to tee off on 2nd serves and miss most of the time).

On the areas where Nadal holds the advantage (movement, agility, physical fitness, mental strength, topspin production, consistency) - the gulf in their quality is truly laughable.

Nadal has already faced the big serving type this Wimbledon and look what happened to them.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
Nadal could take 30 sleeping pills before this match and phone in the win from his death-bed.

Potro holds no advantage over Nadal in any area of the game other than possibly the serve. Still, Nadal is also one of the best servers in the game and THE greatest returner (Djokovic and Murray don't count cuz they just try to tee off on 2nd serves and miss most of the time).

On the areas where Nadal holds the advantage (movement, agility, physical fitness, mental strength, topspin production, consistency) - the gulf in their quality is truly laughable.

Nadal has already faced the big serving type this Wimbledon and look what happened to them.

Great post, you hit the nail on the head.
 
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NadalAgassi

Guest
Nadal in 3 of course. Del Potro is nowhere near his best and he sucks on grass even at the best of times. Simon should have won the 1st and 2nd sets of their match really.
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
His chances are either slim or none, can't be both. But I reckon your underselling him a bit. Delpo can catch fire and cause some real problems for Rafa, so we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

It's not just me, many here are just being honest.... DP doesn't stand much of a chance against Nadal.
 

Pwned

Hall of Fame
Could be a tough one. Del Potro is serving well. If you he can serve well I think he has a small chance.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Still, Nadal .. THE greatest returner (Djokovic and Murray don't count cuz they just try to tee off on 2nd serves and miss most of the time).

I stopped reading here..

Jeez man,..whatever your bias, at least don't misstate basic tennis facts.

If Nadal had a ROS like Djoker/Murray/Fed he would have been near Pete's slam count by now..
 
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Del Potro is custom-made to beat Nadal. Big serve, outstanding ground strokes, great height.

But not on grass...although the Djokovic/Baghdatis match looked more like a match at the AO or FO than Wimbledon. If the court plays that way in their match, Nadal's toast.
 

AhmedD

Semi-Pro
Nadal's return of serve is pretty average, otherwise he would've dispatched Muller much quicker if he was that much of a good returner. Look at Djokovic or Nalbandian, those are top notch returners, even Fed had trouble with Nlabandian today, and Fed's serving on fire. I'd place Nalbandian on top of Djoker though, Djokovic can really get through to Fed when he's on. Nalbandian is a nightmare for the Federer serve when he's on.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's return of serve isn't one of the best returners on the tour, otherwise he would've dispatched Muller much quicker. Look at Djokovic or Nalbandian, those are top notch returners, even Fed had trouble with Nlabandian today, and Fed's serving on fire. I'd place Nalbandian on top of Djoker though, Djokovic can really get through to Fed when he's on. Nalbandian is a nightmare for the Federer serve when he's on.

Exactly. The fact that Nadal wins so much is a testimony to his ground game and how clutch he is when a netural rally starts.

If there is one weakness in Nadal's game (relatively speaking) it is his return of the first serve. Because of his huge grip change( & the big follow-through on forehand), he shanks many ROS. Lot of time he's caught hacking at the ball, in the middle of the grip change.

I mean he got single digit returns in on Muller's first serve for each set (in set 1 and set 2). He lost 93% and 95% of pts on Muller's first serve. That's hardly acceptable no matter how well your opponent serves. You won't ever see guys like Djokovic/Murray lose 95% pts on their opponents first serve. Even if it's Karlovic they play.

And this is not new. Recall WTF 2010 Fed won 90%+ pts on first serve against Nadal in the final. Murray won 90%+ pts on first serve for a set and a half in the WTF SF. It's amazing that despite those stats, Nadal won the SF match and went to 3 sets in the final.

The fact is, that outside of when he plays against Fed, Nadal is NOT a great serve reader. Despite all this, Nadal still wins. Which is why I think he would be close to unbeatable if he has a ROS of the level of Djokovic/Murray..
 
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Love Game

Talk Tennis Guru
For sure Delpo is looking forward to this :D ..... He knows how to beat Rafa ... on hard ... and I'm sure he's lookin forward to the grass challenge! :idea: ... I love them both! :cool:

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ruerooo

Legend
For sure Delpo is looking forward to this :D ..... He knows how to beat Rafa ... on hard ... and I'm sure he's lookin forward to the grass challenge! ... I love them both! :cool:

I love them both too. Why can't they both advance? Delpo can take Nole's place.
:p
 

MixieP

Hall of Fame
Exactly. The fact that Nadal wins so much is a testimony to his ground game and how clutch he is when a netural rally starts.

If there is one weakness in Nadal's game (relatively speaking) it is his return of the first serve. Because of his huge grip change( & the big follow-through on forehand), he shanks many ROS. Lot of time he's caught hacking at the ball, in the middle of the grip change.

I mean he got single digit returns in on Muller's first serve for each set (in set 1 and set 2). He lost 93% and 95% of pts on Muller's first serve. That's hardly acceptable no matter how well your opponent serves. You won't ever see guys like Djokovic/Murray lose 95% pts on their opponents first serve. Even if it's Karlovic they play.

And this is not new. Recall WTF 2010 Fed won 90%+ pts on first serve against Nadal in the final. Murray won 90%+ pts on first serve for a set and a half in the WTF SF. It's amazing that despite those stats, Nadal won the SF match and went to 3 sets in the final.

The fact is, that outside of when he plays against Fed, Nadal is NOT a great serve reader. Despite all this, Nadal still wins. Which is why I think he would be close to unbeatable if he has a ROS of the level of Djokovic/Murray..

Thank you for an interesting read.
 

batz

G.O.A.T.
I saw some of Delpo v Simon and he is moving much better @ SW19 than he was @ Queen's. Still can't see him beating Rafa on grass though.
 

nadalbestclass

Hall of Fame
If Nadal had a ROS like Djoker/Murray/Fed he would have been near Pete's slam count by now..

Agreed but if Fed had a better BH he would have had at least 20 slams by now. No player is perfect and it's not like Nadal has 0 slams, I think he will equal or beat Pete's count by the time he retires.
 

GOAT BAAH!!!

Professional
I don't think this match we be as straightforward as everyone is predicting and even though he doesn't move so well, I think there is huge potential for John Martin Of the Colt to pull the upset.
 

Love Game

Talk Tennis Guru
I love them both too. Why can't they both advance? Delpo can take Nole's place.
:p

I wouldnt mind ;)
of course, we both know that Nole's not ready to go gently into that good night ...... woof ... clash of the titans! :shock: ..... Delpo's been sharpening up his serve, and he really served well today ... he's gonna draw rafa out wide on the bh with that serve, and then the race w/b on cuz delpo can keep his head while executing clean shots ... I'm guessing the match will turn mostly on Del's ROS ...... plus comparing delpo to rafa's other opponents so far, delpo's the one who at least equals rafa's ability to save BPs ...

anyway, REALLY looking forward to this one! :mrgreen:
 

nadalbestclass

Hall of Fame
Delpo said this in presser

Del Potro defeated Gilles Simon 7-6, 7-6, 7-5 to reach unchartered waters here. "On Monday I play against the best player in the world, it will be a big challenge," he said. "You should play everything perfect, and then maybe you have a little chance. But I don't know: [it is] gonna be very tough for me, my first time in [the] fourth round in Wimbledon. I want to be ready for that match. I don't know if I will have a little chance or not, but I will try to make a good game."

Asked how he managed that defeat of Nadal in 2009 at the US Open, Del Potro said: "I don't know, it was two years ago. I don't know if I'm still far away from that level. I'm improving my game every day [and] I'm still learning on grass, I want to improve my serve, my volley. And maybe for the second part of the year I can be ready against all players."

On Monday he will discover prepared he is for the best one.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/25/rafael-nadal-gilles-muller-wimbledon

He might be a bad match-up but he's very tentative right now, unless he's pulling a Rafa.
 
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Love Game

Talk Tennis Guru
I don't think this match we be as straightforward as everyone is predicting and even though he doesn't move so well, I think there is huge potential for John Martin Of the Colt to pull the upset.

teehee ... agreed ... plus there's something strangely endearing about the combo of your username + avatar!
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ruerooo

Legend
Delpo said this in presser


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/25/rafael-nadal-gilles-muller-wimbledon

He might be a bad match-up but he's very tentative right now, unless he's pulling a Rafa.

Love Delpo; he's pulling a bit of a Rafa, LOL.

In his interviews before Wimbledon and his interview with Martina, he said South Americans have a tough time on grass -- and then I watched him clinically destroy Olivier Rochus, who has done his share of damage on grass at earlier Wimbledons.

Rafa is also saying he will have to play his best tennis to beat him. Manage those expectations, boys!

So I think we're in for a cracker of a match.

(Thank you for the article. :p)
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Agreed but if Fed had a better BH he would have had at least 20 slams by now. No player is perfect..
True. But I think ROS can be improved easier than say changing the dynamic of something as basic as a backhand. A lot of players do it in the course of their career too.

Nadal could improve his ROS, he has the basic ingredients (sharp reflexes, flexibility, hand eye co-ordination, ability to abbreviate his swing etc) but he needs to have an open mind, and get some outside help.

The good thing is that he knows his problem, and (rightly) fears big servers. I'm always impressed by how clutch he is in these kind of matches. He'll almost never make a UFE on a big point, because he knows that he won't have many chances as guys like Djoker/Fed/Murray would. Plus, the spin also helps Nadal keep things safer with more margin..
 
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TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
Love Delpo; he's pulling a bit of a Rafa, LOL.
Rafa is also saying he will have to play his best tennis to beat him. Manage those expectations, boys!
What do you get when you play the 2 most humble players on tour? None of them will say that they will win!

That said, make no mistake. Both will come to play. For Delpo, the serve will be the key. Unlike on hardcourts, he will get a lot of purchase from grass if he can serve consistently in 120's and 130s. The big guy also needs to play first strike tennis. Cannot afford to have stretches of passive play as he did against Simon.

On the other side, Nadal will use different tactics from their match in IW this year. There Rafa won because his defense became more and more formidable on the slow hardcourt. On grass, Nadal knows he cannot defend and he needs to be the aggressor himself. Nadal needs to get his off-forehand (i/o-dtl) working, plus serve bigger than he did against Muller, where his avg first speed was 111 mph. He needs to be careful, because Delpo can REALLY go after his 2nd serve ( as he did in UsO '09 and IW '11) - although it is harder to attack Rafa's serve on grass.

The match will come down to how well Delpo serves. and whether Nadal can play the offensive tennis, he's capable of on grass (see Sod vs Nadal wimb 2010).

I'm going with Nadal in 5, after the match of the tournament. Should he get through this, this could also be Nadal's toughest match before the final.
 

Smasher08

Legend
I'll go out on a long limb, even if just to be a contrarian.

If Potsie's on, he can blow Rafa off the court.

JMDP in an epic: 76 46 75 76
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
All the haters here are really dreaming to think that delpo is going to beat rafa. He couldn't even take a set off rafa on the hardcourts earlier in the year.

But now you think that this overgrown dork is going to move well enough on grass to beat nadal, you guys are hilarious.
 
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Nadal will win this. However I am big Del Potro fan, always have been, so I will be cheering him on, despite knowing he is the heavy underdog and will be lucky to even get a set.

Vamos Del Potro! :)
 

Bud

Bionic Poster
Delpo will have to serve stupendously (70%+) and end points within 3-4 strokes. Otherwise, he's got no chance versus Nadal on grass.
 

TTMR

Hall of Fame
On any other surface, this could be a match.

Nadal in four if he is playing badly. But I will cheer for the Argentinian.
 

ruerooo

Legend
What do you get when you play the 2 most humble players on tour? None of them will say that they will win!

That said, make no mistake. Both will come to play. For Delpo, the serve will be the key. Unlike on hardcourts, he will get a lot of purchase from grass if he can serve consistently in 120's and 130s. The big guy also needs to play first strike tennis. Cannot afford to have stretches of passive play as he did against Simon.

On the other side, Nadal will use different tactics from their match in IW this year. There Rafa won because his defense became more and more formidable on the slow hardcourt. On grass, Nadal knows he cannot defend and he needs to be the aggressor himself. Nadal needs to get his off-forehand (i/o-dtl) working, plus serve bigger than he did against Muller, where his avg first speed was 111 mph. He needs to be careful, because Delpo can REALLY go after his 2nd serve ( as he did in UsO '09 and IW '11) - although it is harder to attack Rafa's serve on grass.

The match will come down to how well Delpo serves. and whether Nadal can play the offensive tennis, he's capable of on grass (see Sod vs Nadal wimb 2010).

I'm going with Nadal in 5, after the match of the tournament. Should he get through this, this could also be Nadal's toughest match before the final.


I think that's the best analysis I've seen you make yet.

Articulate, thorough, interesting -- without being negative.

*applause*
:-D
 

JustBob

Hall of Fame
All the haters here are really dreaming to think that delpo is going to beat rafa. He couldn't even take a set off rafa on the hardcourts earlier in the year.

Earlier in the year he was still recovering from injury. He's doing better now, but I doubt he will be 100% until the USO. That said, I think Rafa will win in 4 close sets.
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Earlier in the year he was still recovering from injury. He's doing better now, but I doubt he will be 100% until the USO. That said, I think Rafa will win in 4 close sets.

Which injury was he recovering from? He is always injured, so i guess if he loses this time he will be recovering from his last injury.
 

JumpSmash

Rookie
Nadal in 3 sets. I don't see any player stopping him.

People who voted DP is just hoping Nadal to lose. Everyone knows DP's chance is slim and none.

Who's that in you avatar? Sharapova? She's ridiculously good looking.
 

blue steel

Rookie
del potro is probably nadals worst matchup on tour. if anyone's going to beat him at the french, it will be del potro. not sure about wimbledon though.. grass isnt del potro's best surface but who knows, if hes on fire, i'd say del potro definitely has a chance at pulling off an upset. i'm predicting del potro in 4.
 
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