Juan Martin Del Potro vs Rafael Nadal (4th Round)

who will win?

  • Nadal in 3

    Votes: 30 22.2%
  • Nadal in 4

    Votes: 46 34.1%
  • Nadal in 5

    Votes: 8 5.9%
  • Del Potro in 3

    Votes: 7 5.2%
  • Del Potro in 4

    Votes: 35 25.9%
  • Del Potro in 5

    Votes: 9 6.7%

  • Total voters
    135
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GOAT BAAH!!!

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cucio

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Nadal (thinking) : I don't think the titanium alloy core in my polys is going to withstand Juan's monster fearhand, no? I'd better bring a frying pan on monday.
 
Nadal was striking his FH very cleanly against Muller. Had only 3 UE's for the match and it's not like he was putting them half way up the middle of the court, they were hard, deep and hitting the lines. If he can keep that up and move Delpo around to expose his moement issues on grass, then he will win. But that's a big if, Rafa hasn't really hit that cleanly all year.

Another important factor is Nadal's serve. He needs to make sure that it is hitting its spots so he can get the chance th dominate the rallies.

Going to be a cracking match!
 

JoelDali

Talk Tennis Guru
After watching his match today I still can mentally picture Delpo as a Wimby champion.

The guy can beat anyone on any surface, on any given day.
 

iriraz

Hall of Fame
Del Potro is not a good mover on this surface and i would compare him with Muller,Nadal`s previous opponent.But if he can execute on serve just like Muller did against Nadal,certainly Del Potro will have his chance.He has to serve big,hold his serve and if he can`t break play good tiebreaks.If he gets himself into those kind of situations it`s not like Nadal will be a huge favourite.
Just as he lost them,Muller could easily have taken first 2 sets against Nadal with 7-6 scores.Del Potro could try and do the same with better outcome.
Against Simon he had that kind of match winning 7-6 7-6 7-5.If he does the same thing no one can argue that the scoreline isn`t possible for Del Potro against Nadal.
Serving big and consistent for a long period of time is the key of the match
 

tlm

G.O.A.T.
Del Potro is not a good mover on this surface and i would compare him with Muller,Nadal`s previous opponent.But if he can execute on serve just like Muller did against Nadal,certainly Del Potro will have his chance.He has to serve big,hold his serve and if he can`t break play good tiebreaks.If he gets himself into those kind of situations it`s not like Nadal will be a huge favourite.
Just as he lost them,Muller could easily have taken first 2 sets against Nadal with 7-6 scores.Del Potro could try and do the same with better outcome.
Against Simon he had that kind of match winning 7-6 7-6 7-5.If he does the same thing no one can argue that the scoreline isn`t possible for Del Potro against Nadal.
Serving big and consistent for a long period of time is the key of the match

Ya right this should be a cake walk, i mean lets face it there is no difference between simon and nadal. These kind of comparisons are really hilarious.
 

iriraz

Hall of Fame
Ya right this should be a cake walk, i mean lets face it there is no difference between simon and nadal. These kind of comparisons are really hilarious.

I`m not comparing Simon with Nadal obviously but i`m looking at the score which suggests that Del Potro served pretty well but was poor on return.
If Del Potro serves big and has a high % of first serves in there is not much Nadal can do then hold his own serve and get into tiebreaks and then it`s anything possible.Sure Nadal will dominate the rallies but the question is how many long rallies will we have.
 

TennisFan3

Talk Tennis Guru
If Del Potro serves big and has a high % of first serves in there is not much Nadal can do then hold his own serve and get into tiebreaks and then it`s anything possible.Sure Nadal will dominate the rallies but the question is how many long rallies will we have

Why would Nadal "always" dominate the rallies? Delpo has 5x better groundies than Muller. Sure, Nadal would still have the edge in neutral rallies (especially long ones), but if Delpo can get his forehand going, he can hit through anyone, anytime, anywhere.

More importantly, Delpo cannot serve the kind of "spot serving" that Muller did for 2 sets. This is NOT to say that Delpo is an inferior server. Far from it. But Juan Martin, doesn't need to hit the spots all the time on serve, as he has a great ground game to back it up. The matchup dynamic for this one won't be like the Nadal-Muller match, where Muller was just ridiculous with his serve (even allowing for the fact that Nadal had ZERO read on his serve for 2 sets and his ROS was sub-par).

Overall, I agree with what someone said above. This will likely be the match of the tournament. If Delpo serves big, and remains aggressive throughout, (unlike parts of his match with Simon) he could prevail.
Still, I'm going with Nadal in 5. At the end of the day, he IS a better grass court player..
 
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Nadal's ground strokes shouldn't bother Del Potro at all. His strike zone is much higher than most players. I think Nadal's BH slice would actually be the biggest pain in the ass for Del Potro, especially on grass.

On the other hand, if Del Potro is going to hit a lot of cross court backhands/inside-out forehands, they're going to need to be exquisite, because Nadal's running DTL forehand is where he hits most of his winners. This is where Federer and all right handers tend to struggle with Nadal. How many times have we seen Federer hit what seemed to be a great inside-out FH or a cross court BH, only for Nadal to run it down and either hit a DTL winner, or put Federer on the defensive?

But Del Potro hits flatter than Federer, so he's got a better chance of hitting through Nadal.

I still have a hunch it's going to be Nadal in 3, despite the seemingly great matchup characteristics working in Del Potro's favor. Just like how Djokovic seemed the favorite to me at last year's USO, and Murray at last year's Wimbledon SF.
 
Nadal's ground strokes shouldn't bother Del Potro at all. His strike zone is much higher than most players. I think Nadal's BH slice would actually be the biggest pain in the ass for Del Potro, especially on grass.

On the other hand, if Del Potro is going to hit a lot of cross court backhands/inside-out forehands, they're going to need to be exquisite, because Nadal's running DTL forehand is where he hits most of his winners. This is where Federer and all right handers tend to struggle with Nadal. How many times have we seen Federer hit what seemed to be a great inside-out FH or a cross court BH, only for Nadal to run it down and either hit a DTL winner, or put Federer on the defensive?

But Del Potro hits flatter than Federer, so he's got a better chance of hitting through Nadal.

I still have a hunch it's going to be Nadal in 3, despite the seemingly great matchup characteristics working in Del Potro's favor. Just like how Djokovic seemed the favorite to me at last year's USO, and Murray at last year's Wimbledon SF.

The moral of the story is that uninjured Nadal is currently unbeatable in slams. That's sad for tennis and it's a little bit boring, but that's how it is and that's why Nadal is number one.

You could construct the equivalent to Nadal of what Nadal himself is to Federer (ie. Nadal's kryptonite - a player genetically designed to be the perfect match up to his game) and Nadal would still beat him in slams because he has a mental strength totally unseen by the rest of the ATP.

Given this, Delpo has no chance. I would bet my house that Nadal will not drop a set this Wimby.

And why the hell did you go with MURRAY last Wimby SF??
 

cucio

Legend
The moral of the story is that uninjured Nadal is currently unbeatable in slams. That's sad for tennis and it's a little bit boring, but that's how it is and that's why Nadal is number one.

Nah, not really, after all Nadal manages to be "injured" a fair bit.
 

zagor

Bionic Poster
The moral of the story is that uninjured Nadal is currently unbeatable in slams. That's sad for tennis and it's a little bit boring, but that's how it is and that's why Nadal is number one.

You could construct the equivalent to Nadal of what Nadal himself is to Federer (ie. Nadal's kryptonite - a player genetically designed to be the perfect match up to his game) and Nadal would still beat him in slams because he has a mental strength totally unseen by the rest of the ATP.

Given this, Delpo has no chance. I would bet my house that Nadal will not drop a set this Wimby.

And why the hell did you go with MURRAY last Wimby SF??

Well said, you hit the nail on the head.
 
If Rafa learns how to return serve he will be indisputable GOAT.

If you play tennis then you should know you can only improve certain aspects of the return; Only improving the shot itself (wether it's aggressive or crafty etc etc). You can't improve reading the serve. Anticipation and reaction are the key things here which cannot be drastically improves/improved at all. Nadal's return is BS in the fact he could do more with 2nd serves but he struggles to pick up the big serves because he doesn't read the play as well as Murray, Djokovic or Federer do.





Looks like Nadal won't be goat then dunnit?!
 

The Hermit

Semi-Pro
Rafa in 3. If Del po serves great then we might have a long night. by the way where would this match be? are the schedule out yet?
 

Arsenal4o

Rookie
3rd on CC.
JM DEL SAMRAS will show up 2day. He has to go at Nadal 2nd serves. S&V sometimes & slice a lot, then bomb with his forehand.
I'd bet this will be a 5 setter. Sth like 6-4 6-7 7-6 4-6 11-13 for the TOWER.
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
If you play tennis then you should know you can only improve certain aspects of the return; Only improving the shot itself (wether it's aggressive or crafty etc etc). You can't improve reading the serve. Anticipation and reaction are the key things here which cannot be drastically improves/improved at all. Nadal's return is BS in the fact he could do more with 2nd serves but he struggles to pick up the big serves because he doesn't read the play as well as Murray, Djokovic or Federer do.





Looks like Nadal won't be goat then dunnit?!
She does play tennis. She is now employing the chi energy (see kiteboard's thread) to drastically improve anticipation of serves. That, with the gluten-free diet, and TheGrunt(tm) and she'll be in the top-50 by year end -- could be seeded at the USO!
 
Enough with the self-delusion, it's annoying. Nadal's gonna be fine. He's playing an opponent who has historically given mediocre at best performances on grass, has spotty movement on the surface and is still finding his groove after a year-long injury layoff.

Del Po would have to put up something spectacular to take a set off Nadal, let alone upset him. Unless we see an epic collapse in Nadal's game, which seems unlikely, and Del Potro is there to take advantage, then expect Nadal to win this one in three
 

TennisBatman

Semi-Pro
Nadal's record on grass indeed far outclasses Del Potro's, but this was also the case regarding hardcourt when they met in 2009 at the US Open (if you recall, Nadal had won the AO that same year in an epic 5-set match over Federer...).

The way I see it, Del Potro is in his learning curve as far as grass courts are concerned, very much the same way Nadal was in 2006 at Wimbledon, the year he made his first finals at Wimbledon. This is not to say that Del Potro will make the finals this year--far from it. The truth of the matter is, the field is much more competitive this year than in 2006.

But Del Potro's 4-set victory over Rochus (disregarding the 1st set) and 3-set victory over Simon may have already showed that he has already overcome the most difficult part of learning how to play on grass. This match versus Nadal will surely be his biggest test indeed.

In the final analysis, Nadal still has an unfavorable matchup against Del Potro, compared to other players, as the 2009 US Open match proved. If Del Potro can prove that he indeed has matured in his grass game, then it is not surprising that he would be able to mount a serious challenge--perhaps even to the extent of beating Nadal--in Monday's match.
 
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Heart says JMDP in 4 tight sets. But, realistically, Rafa will most likely win in 3 tight sets or 4 sets with the last one being 6-2
 
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Wouldn't that be a reverse-namelessone?

A namelessone would be "Del Potro 6-1, 6-2, 6-1. Nadal played his worst grass match in YEARS against a wildcard barely top 100 getting pushed to two tiebreaks. Del Potro won't let him get away with such poor play, honestly if Rafa isn't going to put in 100% out there he should leave tennis sooner than later"

This was incredibly accurate save for the last part about leaving tennis.
 

Lsmkenpo

Hall of Fame
It isn't a big match worthy of much hype, Del Potro is an average at best mover on grass he will be lucky to win a single set against Nadal.
 
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Delpo said this in presser


http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jun/25/rafael-nadal-gilles-muller-wimbledon

He might be a bad match-up but he's very tentative right now, unless he's pulling a Rafa.

talking down his chances....

Del Po truly has learned from the best....can't wait

The tennis schedule for Monday is insane!!!!!!

Only difference is Juan is talking down his chances reasonably. He isn't just putting on an act, he truly is the underdog, so he is not pulling a Rafa. Rafa will do it just to do it out of courtesy and remain polite, but everyone knows it's simply him speaking meaningless words.

The moral of the story is that uninjured Nadal is currently unbeatable in slams. That's sad for tennis and it's a little bit boring, but that's how it is and that's why Nadal is number one.

You could construct the equivalent to Nadal of what Nadal himself is to Federer (ie. Nadal's kryptonite - a player genetically designed to be the perfect match up to his game) and Nadal would still beat him in slams because he has a mental strength totally unseen by the rest of the ATP.

Given this, Delpo has no chance. I would bet my house that Nadal will not drop a set this Wimby.

And why the hell did you go with MURRAY last Wimby SF??

Gold. Comedic gold right here.
 
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NadalAgassi

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It seems some people on this forum dont even know the differences between surfaces. People hyping Nalbandian to give Federer a tough time on grass (lol) a few days ago too.

And Del Potro isnt even back up to the level of the top guys on hard courts, his best surface, yet.
 

kaleidoskope

Professional
It seems some people on this forum dont even know the differences between surfaces. People hyping Nalbandian to give Federer a tough time on grass (lol) a few days ago too.

And Del Potro isnt even back up to the level of the top guys on hard courts, his best surface, yet.

Yeah. I'm wit'ya on this one. I don't see Juan Martin troubling Rafa today. Not this year. He needs way more court time to get back to how he was playing 2 years ago...
 

mnm

Rookie
Delpo has a killer instinct that few got.. I think it will be a tight match. Delpo in 4. He hits hardest in the world, Rafas bh will break down.
 
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