I saw the Fish-Del Potro match today. I really wonder how in the world Del Potro is in the top 10. For a guy of his size his serve is very poor. His strokes have no variety and his strategy is nowhere to be found. A lot of merit to Fish, but in reality, Del Potro didn't show much. I know he's young and his game is still in the make. But I think he's really far from the top guys and unless he retools himself, I don't think he's going to get there.
Juan Martin Del Potro
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Love Game
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IvanAndreevich
Legend
Didn't see the match, but DP definitely's got game. Not many weaknesses, and some weapons off the ground.
JankovicFan
Semi-Pro
Might as well use this thread to mention the news being that he will not play the first round of Davis Cup.
Feb 13 2009 Davis Cup website
"Del Potro to miss first round
Juan Martin del Potro has pulled out of Argentina's Davis Cup 1st round tie against the Netherlands.
Del Potro told www.fuebuena.com.ar: "I will not play because I am currently playing on hard courts and the Davis Cup tie will be on clay. So it would be very difficult for me."
He also added: "However, after the first round, if we win, I will be there."
New Argentina captain Modesto Vazquez is due to announce his full team nomination on Tuesday 25 February."
As expected, the pressure for top 30 players to schedule and play 4 instead of 2 of the 500 series tournaments will force them to be less supportive of their respective Davis Cup teams. It seems it will evolve into a series among B or junior teams or will be dominated by whichever A team is willing to play, as before but not at all uniform.
We have already seen the same thing on the women's side with the Williams sisters declining on the basis of "scheduling conflicts".
They all simply need to look harder now to find openings for a rest that favors their being competitive in top tier and Grand Slam tournaments. Davis Cup is a natural break for them, more now than ever.
Feb 13 2009 Davis Cup website
"Del Potro to miss first round
Juan Martin del Potro has pulled out of Argentina's Davis Cup 1st round tie against the Netherlands.
Del Potro told www.fuebuena.com.ar: "I will not play because I am currently playing on hard courts and the Davis Cup tie will be on clay. So it would be very difficult for me."
He also added: "However, after the first round, if we win, I will be there."
New Argentina captain Modesto Vazquez is due to announce his full team nomination on Tuesday 25 February."
As expected, the pressure for top 30 players to schedule and play 4 instead of 2 of the 500 series tournaments will force them to be less supportive of their respective Davis Cup teams. It seems it will evolve into a series among B or junior teams or will be dominated by whichever A team is willing to play, as before but not at all uniform.
We have already seen the same thing on the women's side with the Williams sisters declining on the basis of "scheduling conflicts".
They all simply need to look harder now to find openings for a rest that favors their being competitive in top tier and Grand Slam tournaments. Davis Cup is a natural break for them, more now than ever.
Leublu tennis
Legend
Davis cup should be, as a minimum, a semi-annual affair. Every 3 or 4 years would even be better.
Leublu tennis
Legend
As to Del Potro, he is in the top 10 primarily because he won 5 tournaments this year. Tokyo, Washington, and LA gave him 350 points each. Kitzbuhel and Stuttgard were at 500 points. How many other players won 5 tournaments last year? Hm?
And he beat other top 10 players along the way. Nalbandian in Madrid in straight sets. Ferrer in Tokyo, also in straight sets. And Simon in the USO.
You may not like the way his game looks, but it seems to work. Thats why he is among the top 10.
And he beat other top 10 players along the way. Nalbandian in Madrid in straight sets. Ferrer in Tokyo, also in straight sets. And Simon in the USO.
You may not like the way his game looks, but it seems to work. Thats why he is among the top 10.
San Jose, I was there.
I know he won 5 tournaments and did beat some top players (Tier II though, no chance against the big 4 or even against a guy like Davydenko). All I can say is that it was a very disappointing performance, more typical from someone probably in the top 100. Fish really made Del Potro look bad, and of course I remembered the Federer match. As a Latin American I regret to see the weak mentality of some of our players, and trust me, Del Potro was no exception. No winner mentality, no variety in ground strokes, mediocre serve... he didn't look like a top 10... probably just a bad day at the office.
random guy
Professional
He dismantled Davydenko in Davis Cup last year on clay which is a surface that suits Davydenko much better than Juan.
I root for JMDP for the obvious reason that he's argentine but it's true that I don't enjoy that much his style of tennis. Yet he's solid. Fish is a dangerous player when he's on too. I didn't see the match but I say that maybe it was a bad day at the office after all.
Leublu tennis
Legend
You rat. I live 45 min from the stadium but am in Europe now.
vmosrafa08
Semi-Pro
I think that he gave a poor excuse for not playing inthe Davis Cup. And I don't think that he is a good player - but he will be really good in the future.
Andres
G.O.A.T.
The guy from Talk Tennis Warehouse doesn't think the 7th best player in the world is a good player.
Priceless.
Only in America. Only in Tennis Warehouse
For everything else, there's Mastercard
zachattack698
Rookie
the guy did not say anything about not likeing del potro's game he straight up said he is a bad player which is incorrect. There is no possible way of being a bad player and being ranked 7th in the world.
If we are going to split hairs here.....
He didn't say he was bad, he said "And I don't think that he is a good player - but he will be really good in the future."
"Bad" never came up...He just said not good. You can be not good and mediocre...You brought up 'bad'. Also he is implying that he is not good NOW, but will be really good in the future.
"7th player in the world" is a label you or andreas is using to back your argument. He didnt say anything about the rankings. He could have watched del potro get DESTROYED by federer and completely give up in the 3rd set. Anyone could have watched that match and said they do not think del potro is a good player.
Also if you are going to use the ranking thing, when you evaluate top players it is typically RELATIVE to other top players. Did he say he is not a good tennis player relative to everyone in the tennis universe? You can assume he is comparing him to the best of the best. I think that is obvious that he is implying he is not good when compared to the cream of the crop.
Why i wasted my time explaining that i have no idea but its an obvious concept imo.
People rip on roddicks game all the time, do you think they are comparing him to 4.0 players?
He didn't say he was bad, he said "And I don't think that he is a good player - but he will be really good in the future."
"Bad" never came up...He just said not good. You can be not good and mediocre...You brought up 'bad'. Also he is implying that he is not good NOW, but will be really good in the future.
"7th player in the world" is a label you or andreas is using to back your argument. He didnt say anything about the rankings. He could have watched del potro get DESTROYED by federer and completely give up in the 3rd set. Anyone could have watched that match and said they do not think del potro is a good player.
Also if you are going to use the ranking thing, when you evaluate top players it is typically RELATIVE to other top players. Did he say he is not a good tennis player relative to everyone in the tennis universe? You can assume he is comparing him to the best of the best. I think that is obvious that he is implying he is not good when compared to the cream of the crop.
Why i wasted my time explaining that i have no idea but its an obvious concept imo.
People rip on roddicks game all the time, do you think they are comparing him to 4.0 players?
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Leublu tennis
Legend
Bad ranking?
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blackfrido
Hall of Fame
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
Andres,
it happens to be that this guy is not the only time sees a match of Delpo, this is is the first time in his entire life attending to a tennis match.
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blackfrido
Hall of Fame
yes, sure!
Wildcat tennis 11
New User
Yeah i definitely agree with that. I dont think hes anywhere close to beating any one the top 3 players in the world either.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
obviously, the topic of this thread is 'juan martin del potro' ... but it's actually missing a whole lot of information.
according to the atp website, delpo's 2009 year to date (not including the current tournament at memphis):
* Delpo has a pretty good singles record at 10wins/2 losses in 2009.
* He also has one title to his name already in 2009.
* Delpo's only 20 years old, so obviously he's still honing his skills. The best way to judge him is in comparison with other pros in his age range.
nishikori
young
gulbis
querrey
cilic
? anybody else?
according to the atp website, delpo's 2009 year to date (not including the current tournament at memphis):
* Delpo has a pretty good singles record at 10wins/2 losses in 2009.
* He also has one title to his name already in 2009.
* Delpo's only 20 years old, so obviously he's still honing his skills. The best way to judge him is in comparison with other pros in his age range.
nishikori
young
gulbis
querrey
cilic
? anybody else?
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
Same reason that Delpo is not to play Davis Cup for Argentina next month "He is focused on his own career". He does not care any about his country. Remember last year before Davis Cup final he was in Shangai and played almost injured representing Argentina.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
there was already a very, very long thread about that. i'm sure it's out there to be added to. that was then. that was the old year 2008.
this is the new year 2009.
if it turns out to be true, i don't blame him one iota ... because he put his body on the line by getting argentina into the final in the first place and further injured himself in the final.
and what was his reward?
calumny, judgment, second-guessing and abuse.
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Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
that is a vicious, malicious calumny!
"no good deed goes unpunished"
"once burned twice shy"
we should pity the bitterness
that has so twisted your vision.
truly sad.
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Love Game has a good point. Juan Martin is fine in my book. Love to see a slow motion sequence on his windmill forehand. How he manages to hit it cleanly is a spectacle in itself.
it's nice to be agreed with,
but it's not at all necessary for its own sake!
i find that cold, hard facts are a lot more
persuasive than burning hot emotions.
i simply posted facts. actual statistics
anyone who has different
checkable statistics is welcomed to post them.
random guy
Professional
because they didnt invite him?
give me his cell # and i'll call
Well actually they did invite him and the tournament director is quite upset with him and Cañas for playing Memphis instead of Bs As
diegaa
Hall of Fame
they should burn in hell till the end of times!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
Por fin algo de cordura y razonabilidad (si es que esta palabra existe en Castellano
)Grande Diegaa!!!!
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Por fin algo de cordura y razonabilidad (si es que esta palabra existe en Castellano
Grande Diegaa!!!!
google translation ...
At last some sanity and reason (if this word exists in Castilian
)
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Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
BACK on topic:
the OP claimed to have seen Juan Martin play at San Jose. Whether or not I believe that is neither here nor there. The important thing is how Delpo progresses as the year progresses. According to cool, unemotional statistics, he's the most successful 20-year-old on the circuit. Some people hate his spirituality. I happen to like it. Think more people in more places need it. His spirituality is, I believe, what sets Delpo apart from the other 19-, 20-, 21-year-olds in his class, but that's just my opinion; others may have others. I, an American, am very proud of Juan Martin, No.2 seed at Memphis.
Be that as it may, Memphis is Delpo's second US tournament within the month? 2 weeks? Okay, he went out in the Quarterfinals at San Jose. And today he's in the Quarterfinals at Memphis. He did well against Gulbis yesterday, beating him in straights. Today he plays the winner of the San Jose singles AND doubles, Stepanek.
the OP claimed to have seen Juan Martin play at San Jose. Whether or not I believe that is neither here nor there. The important thing is how Delpo progresses as the year progresses. According to cool, unemotional statistics, he's the most successful 20-year-old on the circuit. Some people hate his spirituality. I happen to like it. Think more people in more places need it. His spirituality is, I believe, what sets Delpo apart from the other 19-, 20-, 21-year-olds in his class, but that's just my opinion; others may have others. I, an American, am very proud of Juan Martin, No.2 seed at Memphis.
Be that as it may, Memphis is Delpo's second US tournament within the month? 2 weeks? Okay, he went out in the Quarterfinals at San Jose. And today he's in the Quarterfinals at Memphis. He did well against Gulbis yesterday, beating him in straights. Today he plays the winner of the San Jose singles AND doubles, Stepanek.
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Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
Correction, the most successful 20-year old of 2009 is Cilic, with 13-1 record and 680 points won, just saying
"success"
how do you compare your definition w/what the stats say?
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=3147895&postcount=29
oranges
Hall of Fame
"success"
how do you compare your definition w/what the stats say?
http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showpost.php?p=3147895&postcount=29
I have my stats you have yours. We'll talk about Wimbledon time again and at the end of the year
Love Game
Talk Tennis Guru
I have my stats you have yours. We'll talk about Wimbledon time again and at the end of the year
that's very possible, but where's your definition?
how can we compare the stats for analysis by others?
here's my definition (link included)
+++
http://www.atpworldtour.com/3/en/players/headtohead/?player1=del+potro&player2=cilic
i'd very much like to compare those stats to
yours, if you could provide a link to yours? thx :wink:
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oranges
Hall of Fame
Like I said, won 13 matches, lost that one, with 2 titles and a 4th round at AO, he's at 680 points this year, compared to del Potro's 655. Points breakdown on ATP site for reference
I'm just bragging about my youngster doing well, nothing too serious
blackfrido
Hall of Fame
And?
Link please. Thx!
LINK (interview to Martin Jaite);
http://www.ole.clarin.com/notas/2009/02/16/tenis/01859698.html
