Juice Pro vs. Radical IG Pro vs. Pure Storm Tour

So, I am new to the board so be nice.....I recently had the chance to do an extensive play test with these three racquets. I know that there are separate threads for these racquets but thought I would create one based on these three.

A little bit about my playing style...baseliner for the most part that plays 4.5 and learning to play more of a transition game. My forehand is semi-western and is my primary weapon. I have a one handed backhand and like to judge my racquets on how well I hit that shot (right or wrong..). I play 3-4 times a week. My current racquet is the Dunlop Aerogel 4d 200. I like this racquet as it is a solid stick. However, sometimes I feel like I have to be "too vertical" with my swing to get good spin. I feel this impacts me on my returns. I value a racquet with plow through and it's overall solidness. The 4d 200 is very good in this area.

Regarding the review, here it goes.....

Juice Pro: Pleasantly surprised by this stick. It was strung with Spin Cycle..not my favorite string but it played well with this string. The demo was freshly strung right around 52lbs. Overall, I was impressed with the control I had with this frame. I expected to be over hitting at first and that really never happened. For me, it shined on my forehand and my one handed backhand. I really felt like I could move my opponent around with general ease and finish the point off on a short ball by hitting through the court. I really felt like the Juice Pro could hit through the court well..I like a racquet where you can flatten out a short ball and put it past my opponent. My returns were pretty good but here is where I may have felt the swing weight. I felt like i was late and would struggle carching balls in fromt of me. Other than that, the swing weight or the extended length really never hurt me. At the net, here is where I thought the racquet for me was a little too lively. I really had to be precise and deliberate with my volley or it would go deep. This is definitely a racquet I could play well with. I would like to play more with it to see how I play in "pressure situations".

Radical IG Pro: This racquet was freshly strung with Black Code 1.24 at 57lbs. Very interesting what Head has done with this racquet. I tried the previous version and didn't like it at all as I thought the swingweight was too heavy and it was too spinny. However, this new version had me intrigued. A lot of players have commented on the flex of the frame. Honestly, I never really felt that. It may have been the Black Code but I never felt like the flex caused any issues. Hits a heavy ball..like the Juice Pro, my forehand shined with this racquet. I really felt like I could dictate play with this racquet. It kinda reminded me of a Pure Drive Roddick as far as dictating points with my ground strokes. My slice backhand was the most lethal with this racquet. Loved the slice...it really stayed low and drove through the court. Steffi Graf would have loved slicing with this! I did feel like I really had to concentrate on racquet head speed with this frame. More so than the others. Pretty good at net, had similar experience as with the Juice Pro..at net is where I was missing my 18x20 Dunlop 200...I am sure I would get used to volleying with any of these racquets. On serve, I struggled with racquet head speed...did not have this experience with the Juice Pro. If I purchased this frame I would probably add 3 or 4 grams of lead at the bottom of the racquet. Very nice change to the racquet by Head in my opinion.

Pure Storm Tour: I have had the most time on court with this frame. It was strung like the Radical Pro with the same string and tension (fresh). This racquet is very solid and that makes it very tempting. In my opinion, I felt like it absorbed pace the best of the three racquets. Particularly at net, really enjoyed this frame at net. I felt like my volleys had pace and they were precise. The sweet spot felt the smallest with this frame with the Radical having the largest. The other thing about this racquet is the power it packs. It is powerful for a control oriented racquet. Maybe not as lively as the 6.1 but definitely packs a punch. I did struggle with control in pressure situations but that may have been me more than the racquet. My forehand was good with this frame maybe not as good as it was with the Radical Pro. I also felt like I had to work a lot more with this frame which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Liked my one handed backhand the best with this frame. The grip shape on this racquet is nice and suits backhand grip.

I need more court time with all of these racquets before I switch. I do feel with the Radical Pro I would have to have a poly in it all the time where as the others I wouldn't. If I had to pick right now, it probably would be the Juice Pro.

Would love to hear what others think. Particularly those that have court time with these racquets.
 

mawashi

Hall of Fame
The thing isn't what we think of these sticks but how u play with them. The more confident you are with a certain stick the better you'll play with it.

Based on your thoughts I say go with the JP.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The jp is extended length with hideous paintjobb so i'd wait to the next version.

The rp has great slice and the lack of concern with flex probably indicates you are indeed a good 4.5 player.

The PST is usually a little harsh at the tip and quite a deal less manoeuvrable than the rad pro.


It seems to me that a more hl version of the rp would be the easiest racquet to play with in long matches.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Its quite a feat of engineering how big the sweetspot is on the rp given its 95" size as you can see clearly also from the TW University data.
 
I also had a chance to try all three racquets and actually have a different ranking based on my own preferences.

PSTGT - For me, it's the best racquet among the three. It has the most power like the op mentioned among the three racquets but still maintains a good amount of control. I can generate the heaviest balls with this racquet according to people I hit with. A few people have mentioned that it lacks pop in the upper part of the hoop but I rarely hit in that area so that hasn't been an issue for me. It is also very plush and feels solid against incoming heavy topspin balls with pace as well. I don't have to put lead tape on it in stock form and that is a rarity. I liken this racquet to an updated version of the KPS 88 designed for modern strokes but more forgiving while offering a biggest hitting zone and comfort.

Even though it has a SW of 330, the balance of the racquet is perfect for me and I doesn't feel sluggish in my hands.

Head Radical IG Pro - I have the IG Radical MP so I had high hopes for this racquet since it offered a more open 16x20 string pattern which I prefer over the tighter 18x20 in the IG Radical MP. Results however did not exceed my expectations. It didn't feel as solid and I could not generate as much racquet speed as I could with the PSTGT.

Wilson Juice Pro - This racquet was the stiffest feeling of all three and I never had enough time to get used to it. It is a solid racquet but I definitely could feel the stiffness even though it came strung with a soft multi-filament string. The slightly longer length was great for serving but at the same time, I couldn't get use to it when hitting ground strokes.

Overall, each of these racquets should be added to your demo list and see which one works for you.
 

mawashi

Hall of Fame
Wilson Juice Pro - This racquet was the stiffest feeling of all three and I never had enough time to get used to it. It is a solid racquet but I definitely could feel the stiffness even though it came strung with a soft multi-filament string. The slightly longer length was great for serving but at the same time, I couldn't get use to it when hitting ground strokes.

Overall, each of these racquets should be added to your demo list and see which one works for you.

The JP is one of the most string/tension sensitive stick I know of. For some reason, this stick doesn't respond well to higher tensions and I'm talking tensions only around 55lbs which is mid or low level tensions for most other sticks.
 
The psgt and rp are in different weight classes, so that makes the decision rather simple.

The weird thing is that the lighter RP was harder to swing for me than the PSTGT.

The JP is one of the most string/tension sensitive stick I know of. For some reason, this stick doesn't respond well to higher tensions and I'm talking tensions only around 55lbs which is mid or low level tensions for most other sticks.

I think the demo was strung probably at 55lbs so that might explain what I experienced. I guess this racquet requires much lower tension but my concern is that this will make it harder to control. I usually string my racquets at midpoint and going lower tends to make the ball sail out of the court.
 

mawashi

Hall of Fame
The thing about the JP is that it can handle tensions below 40 easily. I usually string around 52 at least in full poly but I had to go below 45 with the jp to make it less boardy. But guess what, it still plays like it's strung at 55.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
The fact is though that they put out almost the same racquet in a different package every two years, so yes if it really works then get it but if its not quite there then you won't have long to wait.

I preferred the previous standard length version and cosmetic, but the very tight 18/20 pattern was unfortunate. Apart from the Blade series, however, I'm not really interested in a Wilson.
 
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10nisne1

New User
Like the OP, I'm around a 4.5 player, who currently uses the Dunlop 4D 200, with a one handed backhand.

I don't have problems generating spin with the 4D 200, but then again, my previous rackets were the Wilson PS 85 and the i.Prestige mid. However, I was looking for another racket that had a little more power than the 200 now that I will be turning 42 this year.

I was in Atlanta on a business trip and came across a PGA Superstore. 12 video bays to demo any club in the store and an indoor tennis court for you to demo any of their tennis rackets. The video bays for golf were free, but you did have to rent the tennis court at $20 per hour. Anyway, I rented the court since I had time to kill before dinner. I didn't come exactly prepared though because I had on jeans and a t-shirt.

Nevertheless, I proceeded to try out several rackets including the IG Prestige Pro, Wilson Six.One 95's, both models, and the Juice Pro using the ball machine that came with the court. I hadn't planned to demo the Juice Pro, but it caught my eye because it had the worst color scheme on a racket that I've ever seen.

Honestly, I really didn't think I would like it. Even though it was within my spec's, around 12 oz and 6-8 head light, due to the traditionalist inside me, I never seriously considered a "wide body" racket, let alone an "extended" racket at that. Yes, there is a little bit of traditionalist tennis snob in me. :p

Once I started hitting with the Juice Pro, I couldn't believe how much it didn't hit like a wide body extended racket. It felt a little muted compared to my 4D 200 since it is a wide body after all, but not as dramatic when compared to the Wilson Six.One 95's.

Out of all the rackets I demo'ed, I actually enjoyed the Juice Pro the most. It had that extra controlled power I was looking for in my next racket. Forehand and backhand felt natural and didn't really require any adjustments.

Due to the positive experience from the short demo, I plan on doing some extended testing in the next week or two.

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Torres

Banned
The fact is though that they put out almost the same racquet in a different package every two years, so yes if it really works then get it but if its not quite there then you won't have long to wait.

What do you mean 'almost the same racquet every two years' and 'not long to wait'? The Juice Pro has only recently been released, and its a great playing stick.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
One and half years is a reasonably long wait, but there will be another one.

Companies spend a lot of money on the 'look' of a racquet and this one's not pitched to my demographic and, in any event, its not on my 'buy' list.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I found myself in unusual agreement with Spencer on this racquet:


Spencer started slow before finding the groove with this stick. He said, "This was not a racquet that I came out of the gates with very well. The near 12-ounce strung weight, sluggish swingweight and 1/4 inch extra length all seemed to work against me.
 

Torres

Banned
LOL. You quite clearly have never even played with the stick.

And why are you (mis)quoting Spencer and trying to post comments completely out of context? Spencer's a 4.0 who dislikes anything over 11oz.
 
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Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Spencer was quoted precisely and what precisely is the context you're referring to if its not the empty space between your ears?
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Here you are again, hypocrite, star-struck in love with your racquet and demanding, nay begging, that everyone love it to:

How can this possibly be a 2 star thread? It's the most informative and accurate source of information about the Juice Pro.

Everyone vote it up!
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Here you are again, you who don't care about aesthetics, drooling over the fact you now have a matching blue grip:



Went past the local tennis place and noticed that Babolat have brough out a blue Syntec grip.

Not the normal grip that I use (Wilson True Grip + Head OG) but it was in light blue and similar to the Juice colors (its actually the same color as the blue Babaolat custom dampener), so I couldn't resist.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Lo and behold, and stop the presses, you seem to be in perfect agreement with me about the horrid aesthetics, which you pretend not to concern yourself with:


I'm really intrigued by the Juice Pro. If it only came in a less hideous paint colorway!
 

Torres

Banned
LOL. Now you're just trolling. Sorry you got your facts wrong about a racquet you've never played with and don't know anything about but now you're desperately trying to over compensate and just making yourself look even sillier with each thing you post.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Youre a love-besotted fool who can't bear that someone doesnt share your admiration for what, precisely, a tennis racquet.

And if you write something that totally contradicts what you've written in the past, then be prepared to be caught out.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
We'll let others be the judge of that and, by the way, do you sleep with your juicy racquet as well?
 

Torres

Banned
LOL. You're still piping up about a racquet you've never played with, and don't have a clue about! Begone clueless troll!
 

levy1

Hall of Fame
Nobody's that insecure. Its only the 3.5 / 4.0 brigade who are more interested on what their racquets look like than how they play.

Hey, keep us 3.5s out of it! The demo is sitting on my kitchen table and I think it purdy!
Now if I can just find a blue skirt to match!
Fred
 

levy1

Hall of Fame
You just make yourself look sillier and sillier, with everything you post.....
Man you only lasted a few days before you started attacking posters. Every time you start this crap the thread gets ruined. You just came off the ban for the same behavior. We all respect your views on racket and string information so it would be nice if you could stay around for a while.
 

Torres

Banned
Man you only lasted a few days before you started attacking posters.

Nothing wrong with this thread apart from that clueless troll guy embarassing himself by trying to talk about a racquet he's never played with and has no clue about, and then getting picked up on it.
 

DevilDog

Rookie
So, I am new to the board so be nice.....I recently had the chance to do an extensive play test with these three racquets. I know that there are separate threads for these racquets but thought I would create one based on these three.

A little bit about my playing style...baseliner for the most part that plays 4.5 and learning to play more of a transition game. My forehand is semi-western and is my primary weapon. I have a one handed backhand and like to judge my racquets on how well I hit that shot (right or wrong..). I play 3-4 times a week. My current racquet is the Dunlop Aerogel 4d 200. I like this racquet as it is a solid stick. However, sometimes I feel like I have to be "too vertical" with my swing to get good spin. I feel this impacts me on my returns. I value a racquet with plow through and it's overall solidness. The 4d 200 is very good in this area.

Regarding the review, here it goes.....

Juice Pro: Pleasantly surprised by this stick. It was strung with Spin Cycle..not my favorite string but it played well with this string. The demo was freshly strung right around 52lbs. Overall, I was impressed with the control I had with this frame. I expected to be over hitting at first and that really never happened. For me, it shined on my forehand and my one handed backhand. I really felt like I could move my opponent around with general ease and finish the point off on a short ball by hitting through the court. I really felt like the Juice Pro could hit through the court well..I like a racquet where you can flatten out a short ball and put it past my opponent. My returns were pretty good but here is where I may have felt the swing weight. I felt like i was late and would struggle carching balls in fromt of me. Other than that, the swing weight or the extended length really never hurt me. At the net, here is where I thought the racquet for me was a little too lively. I really had to be precise and deliberate with my volley or it would go deep. This is definitely a racquet I could play well with. I would like to play more with it to see how I play in "pressure situations".

Radical IG Pro: This racquet was freshly strung with Black Code 1.24 at 57lbs. Very interesting what Head has done with this racquet. I tried the previous version and didn't like it at all as I thought the swingweight was too heavy and it was too spinny. However, this new version had me intrigued. A lot of players have commented on the flex of the frame. Honestly, I never really felt that. It may have been the Black Code but I never felt like the flex caused any issues. Hits a heavy ball..like the Juice Pro, my forehand shined with this racquet. I really felt like I could dictate play with this racquet. It kinda reminded me of a Pure Drive Roddick as far as dictating points with my ground strokes. My slice backhand was the most lethal with this racquet. Loved the slice...it really stayed low and drove through the court. Steffi Graf would have loved slicing with this! I did feel like I really had to concentrate on racquet head speed with this frame. More so than the others. Pretty good at net, had similar experience as with the Juice Pro..at net is where I was missing my 18x20 Dunlop 200...I am sure I would get used to volleying with any of these racquets. On serve, I struggled with racquet head speed...did not have this experience with the Juice Pro. If I purchased this frame I would probably add 3 or 4 grams of lead at the bottom of the racquet. Very nice change to the racquet by Head in my opinion.

Pure Storm Tour: I have had the most time on court with this frame. It was strung like the Radical Pro with the same string and tension (fresh). This racquet is very solid and that makes it very tempting. In my opinion, I felt like it absorbed pace the best of the three racquets. Particularly at net, really enjoyed this frame at net. I felt like my volleys had pace and they were precise. The sweet spot felt the smallest with this frame with the Radical having the largest. The other thing about this racquet is the power it packs. It is powerful for a control oriented racquet. Maybe not as lively as the 6.1 but definitely packs a punch. I did struggle with control in pressure situations but that may have been me more than the racquet. My forehand was good with this frame maybe not as good as it was with the Radical Pro. I also felt like I had to work a lot more with this frame which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Liked my one handed backhand the best with this frame. The grip shape on this racquet is nice and suits backhand grip.

I need more court time with all of these racquets before I switch. I do feel with the Radical Pro I would have to have a poly in it all the time where as the others I wouldn't. If I had to pick right now, it probably would be the Juice Pro.

Would love to hear what others think. Particularly those that have court time with these racquets.

If you couldn’t feel the flex of the IG Rad Pro with Poly at 57lbs you are a self appointed 4.5 and delusional in your self rating.
 
If you couldn’t feel the flex of the IG Rad Pro with Poly at 57lbs you are a self appointed 4.5 and delusional in your self rating.

Ok...didn't realize I was going to start a thread war. Sorry guys. And just because the flex of the Radical Pro wasn't as apparent to me doesn't mean I am a "self appointed" 4.5 player. I already play with a racquet with a low stiffness so the flex is not what stood out for me in the Radical Pro.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
DevilDog is someone for the ignore list.

Your comments are appreciated and understandable.

I didn't pick up on the exact workings of the flex on the RP for a while and others have reported the same.
 
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