Junior strings for 11 years old

racketonia

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My son who is 11 years old is training 3 hours a week plus playing 2 tournaments during the weekend. We are using head velocity (black) 17g at 21 kg but the problem is that the strings notches a lot and usually break within 20-25 hours. We have tried also natural Gut VS from Babolat 16g at 22 kg and although it does not notch the durability is similar. Also tried baboat xcell 16 and broke in less than 15 hours. Is It worth trying synthetic gut? I have a free sample of Head synthetic Gut pps 16g. Will this be more durable? What tensión would you recommend to try? My son is not really a big hitter and not big, around 36 kg weight. I am also considering a hybrid between Bab Natural gut 16 and lynx 17g as another option. He is using Babolat puré Aero super lite 255g unstrung. Thanks for your advice!
 
That seems… fine?
In fact, he's probably going to start breaking strings a lot faster from now on. My younger brother - then a 13 yo competing junior - broke non-poly strings every 2 hours…
In 20-25 hours I break at least 5 [poly] strings (and I'm a physician, not a pro by any means).

Based on string duration alone, I'd say stick with Velocity - maybe go up to 16g, but that's it.
 
What is the problem? If he is a decent player, he should be breaking soft strings fast. If your concern is durability, don’t go to poly as they don’t break, but they ‘go dead‘ even faster than 15-20 hours. So, you need to cut them out and restring faster even in a hybrid than the 25 hours he is getting now or he will get injured. After 25 hours, string tension with soft strings will be going down enough to affect performance anyway.

Only thing that can help a stringbreaker is to go to a denser pattern racquet, but it will obviously have implications on his performance. Be happy that his game is advanced enough to break strings at a reasonable time frame - as he gets older and better he will break them much faster.
 
actually, what is your problem?
the durability of the strings? the price? durability?

what are your expectations?

In my opinion, continuing to use velocity is a very good choice. you can do even better by going to tecnifibre (NRG2, TGV or any other premium string). but the strings won't last longer for more money!

if it's the price, then it's time to buy a stringing machine, because the more time passes, the more it will break its strings!

if it's durability, you can string with poly, but in that case, ask about the price of a new arm for your child! poly is not recommended on frames weighing less than 290g, and often not before a certain age, or a certain level! In my club there are dozens of people who have injured themselves with poly, and they are children over 30 years old, and who play with frames weighing more than 300g. So, think carefully before taking the poly course! especially since poly often dies before 12 to 14 hours for the best references. of course you can play longer, and go up to 25-30-50-100 hours, but in this case find out how much a replacement arm might cost for your child.

S-gut remains a very good choice, not better over time, will break just as quickly (maybe faster), but will also cost less to string! By purchasing a stringing machine and S-Gut Reel, it will only cost you $3 per frame! if your son plans to continue (or you!) tennis, in this case a machine is a real investment! I bought my first machine at the age of 14 (with my personal savings) I have 50 and I continue to string my rackets, and those of my friends.
 
@racketonia - Per previous replies, Velocity 1.25 lasting 20-25 hours is not such a bad place to be for an 11-year old.

Beyond moving to a thicker version of Velocity (1.30, 1.35 or even 1.40 if you can find it), or switching to a frame with a more dense pattern, you might be able to find a bit more longevity out of someone else's very thick synthetic gut, such as Gamma Marathon DPC 1.40, or synthetics with beefier durability layers, such as Prince Lightning XX (the newer version of syn gut w/ Duraflex) or Yonex Dynawire, both of which have foil wraps that help fight abrasion wear a bit better than a simple polyurethane matrix (like you'll find on Velocity).

Beyond that, this is where things get a bit muddy with arm safety, but you could look into thicker gages of synthetic/poly fusion strings (Tecnifibre HDMX 1.30 or 1.35 or Wilson NXT Control 1.32 -- both effectively the same string, made by Tecnifibre), possibly as mains in a hybrid with a slick/soft synthetic cross like Tecnifibre Multifeel Black 1.30, tensioned at, say, 19 or 20kg (~5-10% lower than your son's current setup of full-bed Velocity 1.25 @ 21kg). A combo like that would likely retain its snapback for a noticeably longer amount of time, which may result in longer string bed life before breakage, while also giving about the same easy depth of shot and overall comfort.

Hope some of that helps. Any questions, feel free.
 
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Now string breaking is a measure of ability?
Players who hit harder with more spin have always broken strings faster than those with less swing speed. Since I was a kid learning tennis in the seventies, it has always been a badge of honor for juniors to break strings faster than their peers as it usually meant they were hitting a heavier ball with more ‘action’ on it. There may be exceptions to this if you have more of a finesse style that is still advanced, but there has always been good correlation between level of play and stringbreaking.
 
Thanks a lot to all for all your replies! The idea was to reduce basically the stringing cost as maximum. I understand that he may start breaking more and more, and really we had not thought about this before he broke for the first time last year!

@Maloya - I have read about the issues with poly in young and even not young (and obviously I care about his arm, this is why I am asking)... Could a soft poly at low tension (19kg) in hands of a non-big hitter last at least two-three months without becoming "dead"? In his group, his mates that have the same technique as him, are using the soft co-poly Head Sonic Pro without changing the stings until they break, all of them playing at low tension like 18-19-20kg... Actually, this is the string recommended by the stringer in the club to the young competitors. These kids have not experienced any arm issue so far and the string is in the racket since the starting of the course in September because they did not break. I have no absolute idea about strings (only from reading in forums)... I was really surprised for the recommendation but is really a club with lots and lots of young competitors....
Our expectations is to support him as far as we can, and his to become a pro... :cool:, but for the moment we keep just thinking year by year..., this is why maybe too early to think about buying a stringing machine....

@Trip- Thanks for the suggestions, we will definitely try some of them!
 
Thanks a lot to all for all your replies! The idea was to reduce basically the stringing cost as maximum. I understand that he may start breaking more and more, and really we had not thought about this before he broke for the first time last year!

@Maloya - I have read about the issues with poly in young and even not young (and obviously I care about his arm, this is why I am asking)... Could a soft poly at low tension (19kg) in hands of a non-big hitter last at least two-three months without becoming "dead"? In his group, his mates that have the same technique as him, are using the soft co-poly Head Sonic Pro without changing the stings until they break, all of them playing at low tension like 18-19-20kg... Actually, this is the string recommended by the stringer in the club to the young competitors. These kids have not experienced any arm issue so far and the string is in the racket since the starting of the course in September because they did not break. I have no absolute idea about strings (only from reading in forums)... I was really surprised for the recommendation but is really a club with lots and lots of young competitors....
Our expectations is to support him as far as we can, and his to become a pro... :cool:, but for the moment we keep just thinking year by year..., this is why maybe too early to think about buying a stringing machine....

@Trip- Thanks for the suggestions, we will definitely try some of them!
I string for around forty players from my club, I learned to string at the age of 14. The main concern of club players at this time is to believe that poly is a durable string!

However, this is one of the impacts of poly, it is durability, but this is in no way an argument for choosing poly.

tecnifibre released a document warning players a few years ago. who said:
no poly below 290g for frames, no poly below 15-17 very good level.

today, stringers pose poly for obscure reasons. because players want to spend as little as possible and for it to last them as long as possible.

In my club I no longer count the players (between 24 and 50 years old) who have played poly for years and who have found themselves in treatment for 2 to 3 years.

there is a thread on this forum entitled you don't need poly.
To return to concrete examples, Adrian Manarino used a naturala gut full bed until a few years ago. Gilles Simon has played his entire career with a multi-multi hybrid! just because the pros play with poly doesn't mean it's ok for everyone!

sonic pro has a certain rigidity, which a 20-25 year old player won't really feel, but an 11-13 year old child will! an 11-13 year old child has not completed his muscle and bone development, so is it worth risking injury to save a few dollars? a sonic pro will lose its tension after 6-10 hours, and even if you won't hear the vibrations (damper) that doesn't mean that the vibrations won't pass. the damper is used to filter mainly the noise, not the vibrations harmful to the tendons.

putting a sonic pro on your child, and having him play for 20 hours, will mean making him play on a bad setup that is dangerous for his arm for 13 to 15 hours. (because the properties of the sonic pro will disappear after 5 to 7 hours.) like the tires of a car, even if they are smooth and worn, you can drive with them. but they are not designed for this use.

This is why I obviously advise you to learn to string, and from there, by buying strings on a spool, these will be much cheaper! apart from the weather!

Finally, if you think you need to move upmarket at some point (for good reasons) the velocity head could be a good string to be used in a hybrid setup with a soft poly (swift MSV, cream isospeed).
 
@racketonia
for me, 18-19kg is not low tension. (low tention is under 17kg) Manarino play with 10.5kg!

know that polys are rigid, of course, we can say that sonic is a soft poly, but that would be saying that an ax is not dangerous compared to a rifle, and that a rifle is not dangerous compared to a tank! Yes. but let's put the debate back!

the only use of poly in my opinion remains seeking control and spin! any use other than these two should be prohibited!

under no circumstances can poly be used for its durability! that would just divert the poly from its use!

don't forget, poly has a native rigidity (like iron wire!) even stretched to 5kg, iron wire is rigid! Would you make your child play with 5kg wire if it lasted 6 months? probably no!
 
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Thanks a lot to all for all your replies! The idea was to reduce basically the stringing cost as maximum. I understand that he may start breaking more and more, and really we had not thought about this before he broke for the first time last year!

@Maloya - I have read about the issues with poly in young and even not young (and obviously I care about his arm, this is why I am asking)... Could a soft poly at low tension (19kg) in hands of a non-big hitter last at least two-three months without becoming "dead"? In his group, his mates that have the same technique as him, are using the soft co-poly Head Sonic Pro without changing the stings until they break, all of them playing at low tension like 18-19-20kg... Actually, this is the string recommended by the stringer in the club to the young competitors. These kids have not experienced any arm issue so far and the string is in the racket since the starting of the course in September because they did not break. I have no absolute idea about strings (only from reading in forums)... I was really surprised for the recommendation but is really a club with lots and lots of young competitors....
Our expectations is to support him as far as we can, and his to become a pro... :cool:, but for the moment we keep just thinking year by year..., this is why maybe too early to think about buying a stringing machine....

@Trip- Thanks for the suggestions, we will definitely try some of them!

If tennis is his thing and if you are worried about stringing costs now wait until he gets a bit older and then you will see what stringing costs are like.

This is about the time we purchased a nice eCP stringing machine and I learned to string and it easily paid for itself. You may need to do the same.

As far as no poly I am not sure I buy that although it sure makes sense to delay it as long as possible. It depends on the kid and their ability. From what you are posting I don't think he is breaking string that quickly so you can wait a bit longer. At some point you will face no option but to put him in a hybrid.
 
@racketonia - You're very welcome, although I would be leery about introducing full-bed poly at 11 years old. Just because others are doing it, doesn't mean it's necessarily a good idea. Regardless, I hope your youngster can continue to be healthy throughout the journey.
 
You could also get some 15L synthetic gut. His spin will come from his technique. There are several. I string Wilson Syn Power 15L for people who want a more durable string, but not a poly. Gamma TNT2 is good too, although more expensive. It shouldn't go dead, and should last longer than what you're getting out of Velocity. Buy whatever string you decide on by the reel, cut of36-38' for your stringer each time (depending on racket). He'd be fine.
 
My son who is 11 years old is training 3 hours a week plus playing 2 tournaments during the weekend. We are using head velocity (black) 17g at 21 kg but the problem is that the strings notches a lot and usually break within 20-25 hours. We have tried also natural Gut VS from Babolat 16g at 22 kg and although it does not notch the durability is similar. Also tried baboat xcell 16 and broke in less than 15 hours. Is It worth trying synthetic gut? I have a free sample of Head synthetic Gut pps 16g. Will this be more durable? What tensión would you recommend to try? My son is not really a big hitter and not big, around 36 kg weight. I am also considering a hybrid between Bab Natural gut 16 and lynx 17g as another option. He is using Babolat puré Aero super lite 255g unstrung. Thanks for your advice!
I'll also vote for waiting on any switch to poly. The durability issue has been addressed by our pals above and it also sounds like your son isn't going to get any sort of performance help with that string for at least a little while longer.

Any 17 ga. multi will give you (or your boy) no more than "limited" service life. If anything, try a heavier 16 gauge of either Velocity of another multi if you want to stay with that string type and get extra hours from each string job.

My #1 recommendation is to sample a couple of different synthetic guts (SG's) in 16 gauge. These will potentially deliver at least as much service life as many multi options that are the same gauge and most SG's have moderate softness that's fine for most of us at moderate tensions. As for cost, SG is tough to beat. You could buy full reels of something your son likes and just pay a stringer an installation fee.

I've been coaching high school teams for about 20 years and these kids use syn. gut much more than polys or poly hybrids. Some of these kids might get a poly setup from another stringer, but I only offer a switch into poly (usually a poly hybrid) when a kid on one of my teams can't get more than maybe 1.5-2 weeks from a bed of 16 ga. SG.

Syn. guts are not all the same. Gosen OG Sheep Micro and Prince SG with Duraflex are two popular SG's with better than average durability, but these strings are rather stiff and clunky feeling, at least for me. I don't use them in my own racquets, but I am a dedicated syn. gut player. I appreciate that it's affordable string, but I prefer its combo of performance and semi-soft personality over everything else. That doesn't mean that it's the "best", it just works best for me.

Kirschbaum is my favorite, but many others including Babolat, Prince Original SG (no Duraflex), and Volkl Classic have worked fine for me, too. Forten Sweet is the softest SG I know - so soft that it can actually work as a low-cost alternative to some multis.

In case you're strongly considering the option of buying a stringing machine, I'd say that there's really not much risk in making that investment. Either your son will save a lot of money by stringing at home or the stringing-at-home adventure won't work out. If he gets into stringing enough that he also strings for his pals and/or local players, the machine will pay for itself in no time. If you eventually decide to sell it, there's always a healthy market for used stringing machines that have been been taken care of (just keeping a dust cover on it will keep it in much better shape).
 
Thanks a lot for your replies!

I was checking the different characteristics of different gauges of some of the synt gut available in the TW Database and wonder if It is a rule of thumb that the spin potential increases with gauge for the synt gut? And the reverse for multi? Or depends on the string? Because for some strings there is no data available for different gauges

Also concerning stiffness, since It is clear for me that increases with the higher gauges, can be "simply" compensed by lowering the string tension? I am worried about increasing the gauge and losing power. What is the minimum tension a synthetic gut can be stringed without losing too much performance?
 
I play alot as a hitting partner for a 12yr old who is nr. 8 in the country in his age bracket. He plays with a soft racket and sonic pro at 24 kg. I think the only reason to switch to sonic pro is if its cheaper, you need to switch it out faster than 20 hours. He is sponsored as well.
 
I play alot as a hitting partner for a 12yr old who is nr. 8 in the country in his age bracket. He plays with a soft racket and sonic pro at 24 kg. I think the only reason to switch to sonic pro is if its cheaper, you need to switch it out faster than 20 hours. He is sponsored as well.
It’s complicated to put forward such arguments. I'm not sure that all 12 year olds have the ability to play with Sonic Pro, I'm not convinced that all 12 year olds have a technique that allows them to play with Sonic Pro!

it's as if I told you that a 9 year old child played with a 27' racket weighing 300g, it is possible, but in no case a generality!

To return to the main topic, I think we need to be able to define the issues, the needs, the risks, the choices, the compromises.

if your son is performing well, you will have to accept the fact that the strings will last less and less time.

that a string that can last 20 hours, with maximum comfort, power, arm-friendly control, and cheap does not exist, and will never exist!

the main problem with strings is that you have to compromise!

either your son plays a lot, more than 6 hours a week, and the strings will wear out, and it will get worse over time. and from there, either he has a sponsor who pays for his strings and installs it, or you invest in a machine!

anyway, strings that last more than 15 hours, at a certain level, whether it's synthetic gut, multi or poly, they simply don't exist!

1) because fragile s-gut will break quickly, but will not cost much

2) because poly will be dead and will cause injuries beyond 6 to 12 hours, even if we continue to be able to play, it's like cigarettes, once we realize that it is harmful, it is too late! an injury due to poly death occurs suddenly! and once installed, it's difficult to go back in a short time. So, ask yourself if you are ok for your son to stop playing tennis for 2 months because of poly death! (you will save money!)

3) because multi will cost much more than s-gut and will also lose its tension (playability) or will largely break in less than 20 hours.

if you count quickly, a thong job will cost (without the strings) around $10 n if you count 2 stringjobs per month, that will quickly make you $280 per year! and the more time passes, the more your son will progress and the more strings he will break! It's that simple!

a small stringer machine will cost you around $400, and using decent S-gut (not the top prices, but I'm sure it's very similar for 90% of players) will cost you $40 for around 18 rackets ! that is to say that to reimburse the purchase of the machine, it is as if 18 stringjobs will cost you approximately $440, or $24 per stringjob!

When you cover the first 18 strings it will cost you more than $2.20 per stringjob!

I don't know what more to say.

on the example of the 12 year old who plays with sonic pro, I could also tell you of players who use msv focus hex plus 38 at low voltage who manage to get injured, even though they are in their thirties, and play with 290g frames, there are no absolute rules!

I think it’s time to have to make a choice! trying to find the miracle string that lasts a long time, does not lose its tension, protects the arm, does not cost much and is efficient, it simply does not exist! you are forced to make compromises, and give up certain parameters and qualities.
 
It’s complicated to put forward such arguments. I'm not sure that all 12 year olds have the ability to play with Sonic Pro, I'm not convinced that all 12 year olds have a technique that allows them to play with Sonic Pro!

it's as if I told you that a 9 year old child played with a 27' racket weighing 300g, it is possible, but in no case a generality!

To return to the main topic, I think we need to be able to define the issues, the needs, the risks, the choices, the compromises.

if your son is performing well, you will have to accept the fact that the strings will last less and less time.

that a string that can last 20 hours, with maximum comfort, power, arm-friendly control, and cheap does not exist, and will never exist!

the main problem with strings is that you have to compromise!

either your son plays a lot, more than 6 hours a week, and the strings will wear out, and it will get worse over time. and from there, either he has a sponsor who pays for his strings and installs it, or you invest in a machine!

anyway, strings that last more than 15 hours, at a certain level, whether it's synthetic gut, multi or poly, they simply don't exist!

1) because fragile s-gut will break quickly, but will not cost much

2) because poly will be dead and will cause injuries beyond 6 to 12 hours, even if we continue to be able to play, it's like cigarettes, once we realize that it is harmful, it is too late! an injury due to poly death occurs suddenly! and once installed, it's difficult to go back in a short time. So, ask yourself if you are ok for your son to stop playing tennis for 2 months because of poly death! (you will save money!)

3) because multi will cost much more than s-gut and will also lose its tension (playability) or will largely break in less than 20 hours.

if you count quickly, a thong job will cost (without the strings) around $10 n if you count 2 stringjobs per month, that will quickly make you $280 per year! and the more time passes, the more your son will progress and the more strings he will break! It's that simple!

a small stringer machine will cost you around $400, and using decent S-gut (not the top prices, but I'm sure it's very similar for 90% of players) will cost you $40 for around 18 rackets ! that is to say that to reimburse the purchase of the machine, it is as if 18 stringjobs will cost you approximately $440, or $24 per stringjob!

When you cover the first 18 strings it will cost you more than $2.20 per stringjob!

I don't know what more to say.

on the example of the 12 year old who plays with sonic pro, I could also tell you of players who use msv focus hex plus 38 at low voltage who manage to get injured, even though they are in their thirties, and play with 290g frames, there are no absolute rules!

I think it’s time to have to make a choice! trying to find the miracle string that lasts a long time, does not lose its tension, protects the arm, does not cost much and is efficient, it simply does not exist! you are forced to make compromises, and give up certain parameters and qualities.
True very good arguments and I agree with you. Just trying to show some other sound into the conversation. And yes this kid is very very talented and hits hard for his age and size. He is no ordinary kid. Top 10 in the country.
 
One of my juniors that I string for swears by PTP 1.25 mains and Sensation 1.25 crosses at 46lbs in her Pure Drive Lite. High level 11 year old.
 
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