"just do normally, don't enlarge my holes"

colan5934

Semi-Pro
I don't get it, are the tie offs not the factory prescribed holes?
She has natural gut mains with poly crosses. The factory tie-offs tie the poly onto the gut which can stress the softer string and cause premature breakage. Most decent stringers, especially those stringing at the US Open, would enlarge a cross hole (usually the second one), start with a starting clamp, and tie off through the now-enlarged hole so they are tying poly on poly. Serena requested that they not do that for some reason.
 

Tennis_dude101

Semi-Pro
She has natural gut mains with poly crosses. The factory tie-offs tie the poly onto the gut which can stress the softer string and cause premature breakage. Most decent stringers, especially those stringing at the US Open, would enlarge a cross hole (usually the second one), start with a starting clamp, and tie off through the now-enlarged hole so they are tying poly on poly. Serena requested that they not do that for some reason.
Probably doesn't matter when your changing racquets after every set ;) and good stringers do as their told.
 

colan5934

Semi-Pro
Probably doesn't matter when your changing racquets after every set ;) and good stringers do as their told.
Yeah, probably not. There’s a balance to be had in this case, but more-so when stringing for a recreational player. You want that gut to last as long as possible...it’s expensive because it plays so well for so long and is as good a product as you can get. But you also don’t want to alter the customer’s racquet, and enlarging holes does that. Less of a problem making gut last for Serena, as she changes sticks so frequently, like you said.
 

CosmosMpower

Hall of Fame
She has natural gut mains with poly crosses. The factory tie-offs tie the poly onto the gut which can stress the softer string and cause premature breakage. Most decent stringers, especially those stringing at the US Open, would enlarge a cross hole (usually the second one), start with a starting clamp, and tie off through the now-enlarged hole so they are tying poly on poly. Serena requested that they not do that for some reason.
Ah ok thanks for the explanation. I assume if it breaks no big deal she probably has 8-10 backups
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
I normally follow manuf. tie offs with gut hybrids, and have yet to have a racquet come back with string break at poly tie off on gut
I had three come back to me. Two of frames were my own. One had one set on it when I shanked an overhead. All three snapped at the gut tie off.

Never broke another gut main on shank since moving the poly tie off to the 3rd cross.
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
Yeah, probably not. There’s a balance to be had in this case, but more-so when stringing for a recreational player. You want that gut to last as long as possible...it’s expensive because it plays so well for so long and is as good a product as you can get. But you also don’t want to alter the customer’s racquet, and enlarging holes does that. Less of a problem making gut last for Serena, as she changes sticks so frequently, like you said.
You clearly understand the balance and why many stringers at majors tie poly crosses on crosses. For rec players who ask for gut / poly, I give them the option of :

a) Tie off per the manufacturer but offer no money back or free restring if the gut snaps at the poly tie-off.

b) Tie poly crosses on poly crosses and offer my standard money back guarantee or restring for free.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
I had three come back to me. Two of frames were my own. One had one set on it when I shanked an overhead. All three snapped at the gut tie off.

Never broke another gut main on shank since moving the poly tie off to the 3rd cross.
similar experience here
I tie gut2gut now!, and I have my personal experience to back up my decision, in case I get asked
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
what I find interesting about this thread is that this is a Wilson racquet! "which does not CLEARLY designate tie-off holes/locations", like many of the other manufacturers (head, babolat, Dunlop, tecnifibre, etc..)
this almost implies to me that they don't care where the strings get tied off??!!, if they did, they would label the designed ports,??!!

but also, you now have more and more manufacturers enlarging the 3rd-cross, to allow for 2pc stringing without involving the mains; I see this more on the new racquets!
 

colan5934

Semi-Pro
You clearly understand the balance and why many stringers at majors tie poly crosses on crosses. For rec players who ask for gut / poly, I give them the option of :

a) Tie off per the manufacturer but offer no money back or free restring if the gut snaps at the poly tie-off.

b) Tie poly crosses on poly crosses and offer my standard money back guarantee or restring for free.
It helps that I string almost daily for my club!

You're a good man restringing for free. I can't imagine the money back guarantee is exercised much with your second option.
 

colan5934

Semi-Pro
what I find interesting about this thread is that this is a Wilson racquet! "which does not CLEARLY designate tie-off holes/locations", like many of the other manufacturers (head, babolat, Dunlop, tecnifibre, etc..)
this almost implies to me that they don't care where the strings get tied off??!!, if they did, they would label the designed ports,??!!

but also, you now have more and more manufacturers enlarging the 3rd-cross, to allow for 2pc stringing without involving the mains; I see this more on the new racquets!
I'm not sure if Serena's has "parallel drilling" where all of the grommets are larger...I suppose I could do a google search, but I'm too lazy. It's possible she had a poly cross break prematurely at the knot (tie them too tight or clamp poorly, and they'll go on the first hard shank) or had a hole get damaged when it was enlarged and kept breaking strings at that spot, so maybe that's why she would do it.

Manufacturers are going to designate tie-off holes so the frame is minimally stressed, so I'd say use the tie-offs designated by the manufacturer unless it makes sense to do it otherwise. Sometimes, the manufacturers don't always follow what is standard, though...see Babolat Storm/Control/Strike VS mold that allows a 2-piece cross start at the throat. That'll stress the racquet out if you string a lot, and I'm surprised they have never changed that for as many years as the mold has been in production.
 

1HBHfanatic

Hall of Fame
I'm not sure if Serena's has "parallel drilling" where all of the grommets are larger...I suppose I could do a google search, but I'm too lazy. It's possible she had a poly cross break prematurely at the knot (tie them too tight or clamp poorly, and they'll go on the first hard shank) or had a hole get damaged when it was enlarged and kept breaking strings at that spot, so maybe that's why she would do it.

Manufacturers are going to designate tie-off holes so the frame is minimally stressed, so I'd say use the tie-offs designated by the manufacturer unless it makes sense to do it otherwise. Sometimes, the manufacturers don't always follow what is standard, though...see Babolat Storm/Control/Strike VS mold that allows a 2-piece cross start at the throat. That'll stress the racquet out if you string a lot, and I'm surprised they have never changed that for as many years as the mold has been in production.
agreed
i use common sense/best practices
bottom2top stringing, makes NO sense to me!!
 

g4driver

Hall of Fame
It helps that I string almost daily for my club!

You're a good man restringing for free. I can't imagine the money back guarantee is exercised much with your second option.
I have never got a snapped gut main back when offering option 2. When I snapped the gut main with a set on it, I knew I had shanked the overhead. When reading more about the stress on the gut main from a poly cross tied to the gut main, I became enlightened.
 
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