I don't care.
I made a joke at the expense of her fashion line.
You're the one who couldn't laugh at the joke because you wanted to believe that Venus' fashion line is important.
Justine vs Venus: who is greater?
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I don't care.
I made a joke at the expense of her fashion line.
You're the one who couldn't laugh at the joke because you wanted to believe that Venus' fashion line is important.
Um, no.
That would clearly have to be something that Venus wanted to happen.
My mom sold her very small line of children's overalls at Macy's about 15 years ago.
I'm sure if Venus wanted to develop a line of tennis wear and sell it at Macy's she could.
You're being silly.
Clearly, you think Venus has a choice in these matters. I don't. Let's agree to disagree.
No-double has nothing to do with single achievements. Whether its double, mixed double or exhibition is irrevalent to me. And the OP is strictly comparing single between Henin and Venus.
We can have a separate thread debate about double, but I don't think any fan care about double.
Just to be clear...
Single: Justine > Venus
Double: Venus > Justine.
Single: Graf > Martina
Double: Martina > Graf
Single: Federer > McEnroe
Double: McEnroe > Federer
Now you know it's better to distinct between the two? Good.
If Henin was a failure then Venus must be an embarrassment. Henin won 3 out of 4 slam event to Venus 2. Not only that, Henin was more formidable at SW19 than Venus at the FO and AO. Edge goes to Henin, period !
Anyway, 3 out of 4 slams > than 2 out of 4 slams. But keep convince yourself that 2 > 3 if it helps you sleep well at night.
I guess that depends on your definition of "class." You go boy!
That photo of Serena you're pointing to is gross. I'm having dinner but now lost my appetite.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
That is so astoundingly idiotic, that I should just post a series of "LOLs" as it is the only response your quote deserves, but to continue the weekly show of tearing your posts apart, I will repeat the facts: Henin never exhibited consistency as a majors winner at any event other than the French Open.
Not the Australian Open.
Not the U.S. Open.
...and sure as Hell not at Wimbledon.
History values consistency (such as Venus at the USO) far above some random, two titles with several years between them--the Henin case. There's no way to spin how each example is truly considered, but you have a strong propensity for drinking your own lies, so I do not expect you to do anything other than pouring yourself a nice, big glass of your favorite brew, I-will-say-anything-to-damn-a-Williams-sister.
Meanwhile, the rest of the word lives in reality--the very reason members like yourself never refer to the polls other members referred to in this thread.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
And I will repeat to you once again since your love for Venus has blind both of your eyes.
Venus only managed to win 2 out 4 slam while Henin won 3 out of 4. Henin made 2 SW19 finals while Venus only made 1 final each at FO and AO.
Yep, there is no spinning around since that's the fact. Justine > Venus, and hence 3 > 2. But I know in your fantasy world 2 > 3.
he's eating show some respect-
Get rid of this new username and start posting your original username. You should know by now that you can't hide...people can read you like a book!
I would never expose myself like that in public. Maybe that is decent/normal to you, but not to me. I can understand if one is sweating when playing any intense sport, but not on any normal day. No way.
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
This post has been reduced to sweat stains. It has jumped the shark!
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Venus only managed to win 2 out 4 slam while Henin won 3 out of 4. Henin made 2 SW19 finals while Venus only made 1 final each at FO and AO.
Yep, there is no spinning around since that's the fact. Justine > Venus, and hence 3 > 2. But I know in your fantasy world 2 > 3.
To reiterate: Henin never exhibited consistency as a majors winner at any event other than the French Open.
Not the Australian Open.
Not the U.S. Open.
...and not at Wimbledon.
All facts.
You will never escape history's value system stating that consistency (such as Venus at the USO) is far above some random, two titles with several years between them--the Henin case.
Another fact.
So continue drinking that glass of your favorite brew, I-will-say-anything-to-damn-a-Williams-sister, and continue to avoid referring to the polls other members referred to in this thread, which has Henin as a 3rd place player.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You are in denial and was always good at it. Henin overall is more complete player in all slams events. No AO and RG will always be her big holes. And she was never good enough to end the year #1. Venus is LUCKY to even be considered as the 3rd best player in this generation. Atleast everyone agree with me 3>2, except you.
Nonsense if one want to be decent/appropriate in public?
I have seen many pic of Serena and have no problem except a few. And this one is bad. I'm pretty sure even Serena would never keep this pic in her album(except you).
Tanya
Hall of Fame
Nonsense if one want to be decent/appropriate in public?
I have seen many pic of Serena and have no problem except a few. And this one is bad. I'm pretty sure even Serena would never keep this pic in her album(except you).
As if no one else has ever taken a bad picture... The photo looks to be candid as well, I'm sure Serena hadn't asked for it to be taken.
Case in point.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
No player is even remotely "more complete" without Wimbledon. To fail to win the greatest of all majors is the most glaring, negative for any player, which illustrates how weak Henin was as a player. Even at the AO--where she was lucky to win one, she proved she was never going to dominate, as she was so beaten in the '06 final, she faked illness just to run away from the on-court shame...then generated more controversy as no one believed she was sick at all, but a coward.
There is no "everyone" for you on this board, and again, your ilk avoids the polls mentioned by another member, because said polls are not the product of an isolationist, hate-filled cult like the usual suspects posting here.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
He will ignore that, or say anything--other than the truth.
egn
Hall of Fame
I do get it, I think it's bull. Winning 2 in a row does not make you at all dominant. It makes you very good over a short period of time but not dominant. I would never say Brug was a dominant clay court player etc. Dominance is doing what Venus did at Wimbledon, what Henin did at France, what Navratilova did at wimbledon. Not what Venus did at the US Open.
She hit just as many times as Venus. So that again goes to show how amazing the dominance of Venus was there -_-
Venus won all of 2 titles in a row. I don't question her winning it again I question the fact that you are calling someone who won 2 titles in a row dominating.
Who said Henin was the best at the USO. Who said Venus was the best at it?Neither are. It's probably Graf if we are talking the HC US Open. I am for the last time saying HENIN is better on hardcourts than VENUS because HENIN won 2 US and 1 AUS compared to the sole 2 US that VENUS won. It's not finding anything, it's something that is obvious as day. I mean just look at it on paper. Oh snaps Henin won more hardcourt majors than Venus...its done.
Not arguing it there, but just cause you defend it doesn't mean you suddenly leap frog everyone. Venus is better than Henin at the US Open because at her best she was more consistent, but had Venus won hers say 99 and 01 I would still rate her higher there because she had more semis and finals etc. My argument is HENIN is the overall better hardcourt player.
There is a hate-train that travels both ways. I've been around and when it comes to debates I've been on both sides. However I all ready have realized arguing with you, TMF, Mother and crew on this topic is like beating my head into a wall. No matter how hard you try you are never going to win and will only wind up with a headache.
egn
Hall of Fame
No player is remotely complete without a French and Aussie. Venus wasn't even lucky enough to win either one of those -_-.
heftylefty
Hall of Fame
Well if Venus and Serena as well could have been a little more focused then they both could have easily went down as the most dominant female players to ever play the game, but of course when you play each other in every major final, I guess it might get boring, but I wish they would have just stayed focused on tennis and not other business interests, they could easily have won 20 majors each, so I would like to say Henin, although she has been a little off as well with the, I'm retired, now I'm playing, okay now I'm retired again.
DRII
G.O.A.T.
There is a certain, and often great distinction in defending a title; in particular a major in back to back years!
This accomplishment argues against randomness or luck, especially when the major being defended is on a neutral surface during a peak time of the year.
This is where the French and Australian are somewhat different from the USO and Wimbledon (besides the difference in prestige where I think most would agree its Wimby>USO>>>(French or Aussie). The Aussie Open is played at the beginning of the year when many of the players are not primed, so to speak. I think Agassi took advantage of this fact more than any other player. And Henin benefitted from a relatively weak clay court field during her career, which certainly bolstered her chances at the French and assisted in her repeat wins.
To defend a title at the USO or Wimbledon, which Venus did, is much harder IMO (because of the prestige of each event, time of year played, and relatively neutral playing conditions) and deserves special recognition and thus gives Venus an edge vs Henin as far as singles is concerned (if we include the totality of each woman's career and accomplishments Venus is far ahead and the obvious choice).
Remember, the grass that Venus (most of her career) and Henin played on at Wimbledon has been the more neutral - higher bouncing and firmer grass.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You do realize how defeating all of the players required to win once--then repeat (a group usually made up of solid players unless in a bad period) requires dominance over the competition?
Venus actually defended her USO title, so she's not the hit and miss player like Henin, who hit (winning) and was never able to defend it (miss).
One is better than the other. Let's see how honest you are based on the response to this statement.
FINALLY! Some light at the end of the tunnel!
Only speaking for myself, this is not about winning anything, but an adherence to the truth. Despite the crippling elitism of certain kids of tennis fans posting at TW, they are no different than the beer drinking, loutish corner of fans of pro football or baseball, who are extremely clannish, xenophobic and burning with hatred. They--like the other members you cite--appear anytime certain pros are mentioned, only to go into their bag of lies, threats, racism and other despicable character traits. Again, a search of TW threads about a Williams sister (Hell, they will do this in wholly unrelated threads) will reveal the sick pattern.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Excellent point!
Agreed. A few pages back, I provided a list of Henin's FO finals opponents, and they were not so impressive, or were not at or near their peak.
All solid reasoning, but we have a couple of members who either dodge judging the entire career (for ovbious reasons) or avoid the accepted perception of certain achievements, as 23 pages reveal.
MotherMarjorie
Banned
Oh, yes! Mother Marjorie is enjoying the break in the weather to continue reaping the rewards of her plentiful organic garden. Its a favorite time of the year when Mother Marjorie can take her Motherly basket of organic fruit and vegetables to her neighbors, spreading the organic wealth, to let them know that she cares, oh yes, she does. Like a good neighbor, Mother Marjorie is there.
You too seem to have taken a traditional course through college. There is something to be said about a good school these days. There are just so many of these drive-thru nail colleges and fashion schools, most without the minimum accredition standards. Its just a shame to watch individuals waste their time and energy for an unrecognized "diploma" by the world of academia.
McDonalds has a Hamburger University outside of Chicago-land. More than likely, Venus and Serena graduated from there during their McDonald's tour. There's also the Art Instruction Schools they advertise on television. Bet Serena was excited about that one, uh-huh, that's right.
Mother Marjorie Ann
Empress of Talk Tennis Warehouse
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Male Marjorie Defined: the troll who pretends to be female (already a wealth of psychological issues that would employ a nation's shrinks for decades) is the same troll who introduced a patently racist "Affirmative Action" charge into this thread against anyone supporting Venus Williams.
As noted days ago, his use of Affirmative Action--having absolutely nothing to do with this thread--is one of the key titles used by Right Wing racists like Male Marjorie to attack any minority actually living up to and moving beyond potential the racist (Male Majorie and others posting in this thread) refuses to accept--particularly if the minority surpasses a favored white person in a similar occupation. In his atrophied mind, some sort of "government" or institutional action is responsible for any success a minority enjoys, as it supports his charge of some wholly imagined "inferiority" of the minority. Oh yes, that is the way Male Marjorie's mind works.
In short, the wannabe woman called "Marjorie" cannot escape his true nature: a hostile racist fantasizing that wearing a dress and pearls makes him a woman.
Apologies to every woman on the face of God's green earth for the frightening hijacking of their gender by this guy.
