Kei Nishikori Is The Current Youngest Champion on the ATP Tour, Not Donald Young

Fedace said:
Donald is no John Mcenroe. he does not have the mental fortitude.
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Oh right so i guess Fed, Nadal and all of the other top class Tennis players were "mentally amazing" when they were 18 too?!! :-? , i remember seeing Fed fold under pressure to Tim Henman at Wimboldon when he was 21/22, sometimes players take longer to develope than others and that includes the mental side too, Young is just starting to find his feet on the tour and i have no doubts tight matches like today will only help his mental game.
 
Okay, I've missed something...

Can somebody please tell me what's so good about Donanld Young?

I would've never heard of him if it wasn't for this website.
 
Magix said:
Okay, I've missed something...

Can somebody please tell me what's so good about Donanld Young?

I would've never heard of him if it wasn't for this website.
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The only thing Donald Young is good at is:

His fanboys genearting threads about how great he is.

His haters saying how he sucks.

And 90% of everyone out there asking who the F is Donald Young?
 
Donald Young is one of the most hyped players I've ever seen on any tour; at least AK was good to look at.

How old is he ? 18 ? 19 this summer ?

If he hasn't made a mark now, I'm not projecting he ever will.

Oh right so i guess Fed, Nadal and all of the other top class Tennis players were "mentally amazing" when they were 18 too?!! , i remember seeing Fed fold under pressure to Tim Henman at Wimboldon when he was 21/22, sometimes players take longer to develope than others and that includes the mental side too, Young is just starting to find his feet on the tour and i have no doubts tight matches like today will only help his mental game.
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By the time Chang was 19:
1988--San Francisco; 1989--Roland Garros, Wembley; 1990--Montreal / Toronto; 1991--Birmingham;

By the time Sampras was 19:
1990--Philadelphia, Manchester, US Open

By the time Agassi was 19:
1987--Itaparica; 1988--Memphis, Charleston, Forest Hills, Stuttgart Outdoor, Stratton Mountain, Livingston; 1989--Orlando;

Nadal:
2004--Sopot; 2005--Costa Do Sauipe, Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Bastad, Stuttgart, ATP Masters Series Canada, Beijing, ATP Masters Series Madrid;

Roddick:
2001--Atlanta, Houston, Washington;

Federer:
Started his bloom at 20 ish; and well, the rest is history.

DY is nothing more than hype and hope.
 
Jeez, the guy made a quarterfinal at a tour level event. Thats progress and there will no doubt be more progress/results in the near future.
 
The_Spartan said:
Donald Young is one of the most hyped players I've ever seen on any tour; at least AK was good to look at.

How old is he ? 18 ? 19 this summer ?

If he hasn't made a mark now, I'm not projecting he ever will.



By the time Chang was 19:
1988--San Francisco; 1989--Roland Garros, Wembley; 1990--Montreal / Toronto; 1991--Birmingham;

By the time Sampras was 19:
1990--Philadelphia, Manchester, US Open

By the time Agassi was 19:
1987--Itaparica; 1988--Memphis, Charleston, Forest Hills, Stuttgart Outdoor, Stratton Mountain, Livingston; 1989--Orlando;

Nadal:
2004--Sopot; 2005--Costa Do Sauipe, Acapulco, ATP Masters Series Monte Carlo, Barcelona, ATP Masters Series Rome, Roland Garros, Bastad, Stuttgart, ATP Masters Series Canada, Beijing, ATP Masters Series Madrid;

Roddick:
2001--Atlanta, Houston, Washington;

Federer:
Started his bloom at 20 ish; and well, the rest is history.

DY is nothing more than hype and hope.
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You claim that "at least AK was good to look at" what an earth are you implying?, are they in a beauty pagent or playing Tennis?, and yes many other pros had done wonderful things by the time they were 19 but you proved my point with the facts about Fed that's NOT ALL SUPERSTAR TENNIS PLAYERS WERE BRILLIANT AGED 18, Fed wasn't that brilliant at 21/22 either, Young has the potential to make it to the top, i don't understand why you haters can't accept that and give the kid time to develope his all round game.
 
Causing_A_Racket said:
You claim that "at least AK was good to look at" what an earth are you implying?, are they in a beauty pagent or playing Tennis?, and yes many other pros had done wonderful things by the time they were 19 but you proved my point with the facts about Fed that's NOT ALL SUPERSTAR TENNIS PLAYERS WERE BRILLIANT AGED 18, Fed wasn't that brilliant at 21/22 either, Young has the potential to make it to the top, i don't understand why you haters can't accept that and give the kid time to develope his all round game.
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Jealousy. DY was the youngest ever to make it to #1 in the ITF Juniors at age 15. He then took a bunch of ATP level wildcards and proceeded to go 0-9 and for some reason that PO'd a bunch of folks and now you have the haters. I on the other hand agree with you. Give DY some time. I believe he'll win a tour stop this year and break in the top 60 or 50.
 
andfor said:
Jealousy. DY was the youngest ever to make it to #1 in the ITF Juniors at age 15. He then took a bunch of ATP level wildcards and proceeded to go 0-9 and for some reason that PO'd a bunch of folks and now you have the haters. I on the other hand agree with you. Give DY some time. I believe he'll win a tour stop this year and break in the top 60 or 50.
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There is no way Donald Young can be the youngest winner on the ATP Tour because Kei is younger than Donald and Kei won a ATP Tournament before Donald did. Also, I am so happy that I predicted that Nadal beat Donald Young. So I hate to say this: I told you so that Nadal would beat Donald Young! Besides Kei's has a way better game than Donald. Donald lost to Nadal because Nadal was way mentally and physically stronger.
 
BTW, if you guys think Donald Young getting beat by Nadal was bad today, wait till you see Nadal plays Donald Young on clay - Nadal will destroy Donald Young!

Donald Young now thinks the ATP Tour is not the Junior Tour where he kept winning matches in the juniors. We all know today that Donald Young is no match for Nadal..... He should just get rid of his parents as coaches and get a real coach.
 
Pancho said:
There is no way Donald Young can be the youngest winner on the ATP Tour because Kei is younger than Donald and Kei won a ATP Tournament before Donald did. Also, I am so happy that I predicted that Nadal beat Donald Young. So I hate to say this: I told you so that Nadal would beat Donald Young! Besides Kei's has a way better game than Donald. Donald lost to Nadal because Nadal was way mentally and physically stronger.
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Wow that's quite an upset #2 upset #85. And you predicted it.
Well done. Do you have any other gems. Did you also call Fed over Garcia-Lopez?
 
Pancho said:
There is no way Donald Young can be the youngest winner on the ATP Tour because Kei is younger than Donald and Kei won a ATP Tournament before Donald did. Also, I am so happy that I predicted that Nadal beat Donald Young. So I hate to say this: I told you so that Nadal would beat Donald Young! Besides Kei's has a way better game than Donald. Donald lost to Nadal because Nadal was way mentally and physically stronger.
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You are the best Pancho!!!!!

I need some lotto numbers.
 
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callitout said:
Wow that's quite an upset #2 upset #85. And you predicted it.
Well done. Do you have any other gems. Did you also call Fed over Garcia-Lopez?
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Garica-Lopez isn't overrated, Donald Young is. Kei is the youngest ATP Champion winner this year, not Donald. Donald hasn't won a ATP Tournament yet. Donald can potentially be the Anna Kournikova of the ATP Tour - overrated and never winning a singles ATP Tournament.
 
Pancho said:
Garica-Lopez isn't overrated, Donald Young is. Kei is the youngest ATP Champion winner this year, not Donald. Donald hasn't won a ATP Tournament yet. Donald can potentially be the Anna Kournikova of the ATP Tour - overrated and never winning a singles ATP Tournament.
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Lol you've only crawled out of the woodwork after an 18 year old ranked 85th in the world got beaten (and not that badly) by the worlds number 2, wow what an upset!! lol, where was Kei at Indien Wells by the way?.. erm that's right HE GOT HIS ASS KICKED IN THE FIRST ROUND!!, while Donald defeated a player who had just reached a final, get a damn grip and quit your frivolous hating as it's very pathetic.
 
Donald is nothing, I wish he was going to be good but watching his match against Nadal Young has made very little improvement in he was like 15, he is completley over hyped because he was good so young, it was clear to me Donald just does not and will not have what it takes to be on top of the male game, maybe its a case of too much too soon, either way I was bitterly disappointed in his performance and it was very telling
 
flyer said:
Donald is nothing, I wish he was going to be good but watching his match against Nadal Young has made very little improvement in he was like 15, he is completley over hyped because he was good so young, it was clear to me Donald just does not and will not have what it takes to be on top of the male game, maybe its a case of too much too soon, either way I was bitterly disappointed in his performance and it was very telling
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When DY was 15/16 he was 0-9 on the ATP Tour. Now he is #85 and you expected him to what against the world's #2 three time GS winner who may become #1 after this week?
 
andfor said:
When DY was 15/16 he was 0-9 on the ATP Tour. Now he is #85 and you expected him to what against the world's #2 three time GS winner who may become #1 after this week?
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Did you see when Nadal first played Federer, idk what he was ranked but it was nowhere near 2, Nadal beat Federer and you just knew this kid was gonna be a player, you just got this feeling that he had it, Nadal was 17 at the time. Young was terribly out classed he had no chance and he knew it, he is a baby and showed absolutely nothing, no flashes of brilliance, no great shots, nothing. Im expecting him to show us something, not necessarily to win but show us you can play a little bit and you have potential, he gave me no such hope...did you see the match?
 
flyer said:
Did you see when Nadal first played Federer, idk what he was ranked but it was nowhere near 2, Nadal beat Federer and you just knew this kid was gonna be a player, you just got this feeling that he had it, Nadal was 17 at the time. Young was terribly out classed he had no chance and he knew it, he is a baby and showed absolutely nothing, no flashes of brilliance, no great shots, nothing. Im expecting him to show us something, not necessarily to win but show us you can play a little bit and you have potential, he gave me no such hope...did you see the match?
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All players progress at differnent rates. Comparing one player to another is not always a good comparison. Was Federer as good as Nadal at 17? Not even close. Has Young slowly and steadily improved since he was 15? The answer is "yes". Let him continue to play and let's see where he plataus. During that time remember he's still young. No pun intended.
 
andfor said:
All players progress at differnent rates. Comparing one player to another is not always a good comparison. Was Federer as good as Nadal at 17? Not even close. Has Young slowly and steadily improved since he was 15? The answer is "yes". Let him continue to play and let's see where he plataus. During that time remember he's still young. No pun intended.
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Federer was not as good as Nadal at 17 but when he played Agassi at 17 it was clear he had the shots, the tools he needed, Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon at 19, if I am correct Young will be a month shy of 19 at this years Wimby...do you think hes got a shot at beating Federer? I didn't think so...Young is a nothing, just a former child prodigy and a case of to much too soon...
 
flyer said:
Federer was not as good as Nadal at 17 but when he played Agassi at 17 it was clear he had the shots, the tools he needed, Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon at 19, if I am correct Young will be a month shy of 19 at this years Wimby...do you think hes got a shot at beating Federer? I didn't think so...Young is a nothing, just a former child prodigy and a case of to much too soon...
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He'd kick your butt punk! OK, only Fed and Nadal are any good. I gotcha.
 
flyer said:
Federer was not as good as Nadal at 17 but when he played Agassi at 17 it was clear he had the shots, the tools he needed, Federer beat Sampras at Wimbledon at 19, if I am correct Young will be a month shy of 19 at this years Wimby...do you think hes got a shot at beating Federer? I didn't think so...Young is a nothing, just a former child prodigy and a case of to much too soon...
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Oh so unless he beats Federer aged 19 then he won't be a good player? lol, your pure hate for Young is making you come out with the most ridiculous of statements, a damn 21 year old Fed got his ass beat by the likes of Tim Henmen at Wimby so what about that?, regardless of you haters the facts remain the same, Donald Young is the youngest player in the top 100 and while gaininng experience has beaten some decent players like Lopez who had just appeared in a final.
 
Causing_A_Racket said:
Oh so unless he beats Federer aged 19 then he won't be a good player? lol, your pure hate for Young is making you come out with the most ridiculous of statements, a damn 21 year old Fed got his ass beat by the likes of Tim Henmen at Wimby so what about that?, regardless of you haters the facts remain the same, Donald Young is the youngest player in the top 100 and while gaininng experience has beaten some decent players like Lopez who had just appeared in a final.
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I guess you didn't read my post that said I wish Young would be good, I don't hate Young at all I have nothing against him, I just know that he will not be any good and Im saying it and making completely valid and knowledgeable arguments based on facts...tell me whta that I said was ridiculous and why genius....
 
flyer said:
I guess you didn't read my post that said I wish Young would be good, I don't hate Young at all I have nothing against him, I just know that he will not be any good and Im saying it and making completely valid and knowledgeable arguments based on facts...tell me whta that I said was ridiculous and why genius....
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No you're right, i never read any post from you "praising" Young, it must have been one in a million, but that so called post is contradicted by you going out of your damn way to chastise Young's efforts and potential, your not fooling anybody, any level headed individual would see that Young has massive potential and will learn from his mistakes as he gains experience, any level headed individual would also accept that young talent often goes up and down, just like Young beating Lopez and then losing to Nadal, but you seem to be implying that he can never get better and that's futile in the extreme, Fed has already shown that you don't have to be like Nadal when your in your teens to be great, but you can't seem to fathom that.
 
Young may learn from his mistakes but it will be later rather than sooner, and later meaning "on the backside of his career" much too late for being and real contenter for #1 in the world.

He is running out of time to show some real mental development so he can fine tune his game and reach the top. True he may be 19 but mentally he is still as fragile as 15 and until that changes (nothing shown to assume otherwise) he wont make any real progress.
 
funny that many want to bash Young because he is not as good as a couple of HOFer's. Unfair comparision to Chang, Agassi, Nadal, Becker, Hewitt, who all excelled at a young age. Federer took time, Sampras took time. Give Young sometime to develop further and lets see how he does. If he plays on the tour for 10 years and is within Top 20 all 10 years then that is successful. Not great but he will definately not be hurting financially.
 
flyer said:
MEAC you always like to make these "smart" comments but you never really say anything of any intelligence
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Cat's out of the bag, I am smart and you're intelligent. When I become an adolescent, I want to be just like you.

Do you want a cookie?

Thanks, I think I will be able to sleep better knowing how great it is to use your "intelligent" opinions to discredit other players.

Keep it up!!!
 
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flyer said:
Well since kicking my "punk" but says so much about his potential on the ATP tour you must be right!!! Beat it idiot.
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;)Apparently you did not see my wingding. Next time I'll write all over my post I am joking. Maybe you'll get it. ;)
 
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Causing_A_Racket said:
No you're right, i never read any post from you "praising" Young, it must have been one in a million, but that so called post is contradicted by you going out of your damn way to chastise Young's efforts and potential, your not fooling anybody, any level headed individual would see that Young has massive potential and will learn from his mistakes as he gains experience, any level headed individual would also accept that young talent often goes up and down, just like Young beating Lopez and then losing to Nadal, but you seem to be implying that he can never get better and that's futile in the extreme, Fed has already shown that you don't have to be like Nadal when your in your teens to be great, but you can't seem to fathom that.
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Fed was 10 times better than Young at his age, anyway what ever I am right, Young will be lucky if he ever sees the top 10, he will never win a slam, Young beating Lopez is due to Lopez's inconsistency which as well know for years now not Young's. Bottom line the champs step up, Young hasn't and won't. You have made no factually valid arguments your stance is completely based on opinion.
 
MEAC_ALLAMERICAN said:
Cat's out of the bag, I am smart and you're intelligent. When I become an adolescent, I want to be just like you.

Do you want a cookie?

Thanks, I think I will be able to sleep better knowing how great it is to use your "intelligent" opinions to discredit other players.

Keep it up!!!
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Idk how young you think I am, Im not a teenager. Even if I was you asking people if they "want a cookie" obviously shows how mature and intelligent your age makes you right?!?!?! I guess you just would like to be young again because your comments make you seem more like a 15 year old than anyone else's I've ever read. Anyway make a point, back it up with facts, prove to us that you actually watch tennis. Other wise you do nothing for these boards....
 
flyer said:
Idk how young you think I am, Im not a teenager. Even if I was you asking people if they "want a cookie" obviously shows how mature and intelligent your age makes you right?!?!?! I guess you just would like to be young again because your comments make you seem more like a 15 year old than anyone else's I've ever read. Anyway make a point, back it up with facts, prove to us that you actually watch tennis. Other wise you do nothing for these boards....
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I got nothing to prove to you or anyone else, I guess I will continue to do nothing on these board. Live with it or ignore me, it isn't that hard, you will learn soon enough.
 
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I never said Federer was ten times better my ranking, obviously 10 times is an exaggeration, he was a much better tennis player so the argument you guys said that Federer progressed slowly and was still great is still not valid because Young was better younger than Federer but at 18 even with Federers progression accelerated while young progression has digressed
 
flyer said:
I never said Federer was ten times better my ranking, obviously 10 times is an exaggeration, he was a much better tennis player so the argument you guys said that Federer progressed slowly and was still great is still not valid because Young was better younger than Federer but at 18 even with Federers progression accelerated while young progression has digressed
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The old "taken out of context" excuse. You said it, not us.

YEAR-END and CURRENT ATP RANKING
Donald Young
Year Singles Doubles
2008 86 NA
2007 98 204
2006 484 989
2005 571 1438
2004 1253 -
Looks like progression to me. Every year.

YEAR-END and CURRENT ATP RANKING
Roger Federer age 18
Year Singles Doubles
1999 64 165
Young is not to far off the pace of the great one.

Your understanding of facts and how you must define progression is quite unique. How do you explain?
 
cknobman said:
Young may learn from his mistakes but it will be later rather than sooner, and later meaning "on the backside of his career" much too late for being and real contenter for #1 in the world.

He is running out of time to show some real mental development so he can fine tune his game and reach the top. True he may be 19 but mentally he is still as fragile as 15 and until that changes (nothing shown to assume otherwise) he wont make any real progress.
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I disagree. Agassi's mental game took leaps and bounds when he paired up w/ Gilbert. Young is still only 18. I was watching a clip of Fed when he was 18, I believe. It was a match against Kafelnikov at Wimby, and he threw his racket after losing a game.

I was at the DY - Lopez match, yeah he got mad and hit a ball out of the stands, but so did Roddick at this years PLO. Tursunov broke a racket after he lost, are all these guys mentally weak too??
 
andfor said:
The old "taken out of context" excuse. You said it, not us.

YEAR-END and CURRENT ATP RANKING
Donald Young
Year Singles Doubles
2008 86 NA
2007 98 204
2006 484 989
2005 571 1438
2004 1253 -
Looks like progression to me. Every year.

YEAR-END and CURRENT ATP RANKING
Roger Federer age 18
Year Singles Doubles
1999 64 165
Young is not to far off the pace of the great one.

Your understanding of facts and how you must define progression is quite unique. How do you explain?
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Young will never win a slam, and greatness is measured in slams not moving to within the top 100, what are your expecttaions of Young...
 
flyer said:
Young will never win a slam, and greatness is measured in slams not moving to within the top 100, what are your expecttaions of Young...
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.....the same as I or anyone had for Federer in 1999. I did not know and other than taking guesses nor did anyone else for that matter. Crystal Balls only work in the movies. You know Fed was a hot head back then. He had lots of his own issues he wrestled with before he became a champion. I believe story has it(I could be off a little on details and am open to correction) in '99' if Fed did not get inside the top 100 his father was going to pull him off the tour. His parents did not believe in tennis as a career and wanted to send him back to school so he could get a real job.

You did not answer my question and I answered yours, now it's your turn. How do you define progression?

I have some more questions. Did you predict a slam win in Fed's future back in 1999? If you did can you back up where and when you made the prediction? Can you predict the next slam champion who does not currently have a slam?
 
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flyer said:
Fed was 10 times better than Young at his age, anyway what ever I am right, Young will be lucky if he ever sees the top 10, he will never win a slam, Young beating Lopez is due to Lopez's inconsistency which as well know for years now not Young's. Bottom line the champs step up, Young hasn't and won't. You have made no factually valid arguments your stance is completely based on opinion.
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I dont know what are you thinking about posting like this but let me just say that Young is so young that you just can not say anything right now. I know people his age were better, some of them and I know at least a dosen, hell I know people who won Wimbledon when they were 17yrs old remember the 1985 ? ;) I dont recall Federer being this good at 17 ?

So what does that mean ? Noone can tell what is young going to do in the coming years, I mean he has what one needs to be very good if not great player, but not once have we seen players not being able to make the transition from Jr's to Pro tennis. Take Mahut as a good example - who is the guy right now ? Not worth mentioning .. but he is a former two times Junior slam champion plus a doubles Jr champ and many other things ..
 
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