Kerber to Andreescu: you're the biggest drama queen ever"

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I have a sneaking suspicion that big hitters in good form will be formidable opponents for this super player in the foreseeable future
I stand by my comment that once her opponents find out about her tactics she will have quite the troubles. Kerber instinctively (or not) did find such solution by moonballing her back successfully at times, and others will do it too. Her trainer summed up pretty well what she is trying to do, so I expect the tactic of throwing moonballs to illicit a weak response to get weaker and weaker as the time progresses, and then we will see about that great movement of hers (another reason for laughing from yesterday).

:)
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
I stand by my comment that once her opponents find out about her tactics she will have quite the troubles. Kerber instinctively (or not) did find such solution by moonballing her back successfully at times, and others will do it too. Her trainer summed up pretty well what she is trying to do, so I expect the tactic of throwing moonballs to illicit a weak response to get weaker and weaker as the time progresses, and then we will see about that great movement of hers (another reason for laughing from yesterday).

:)
They won't be able to adjust, because she has so much variety in her game, she has more ability to adjust than they do.

She didn't win on moonballs, but on a combination of power and touch and spin.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Everyone sees that she owes an apology...time to show class.

She didn't call any spades, SHE GOOFED, just like you did above.

That tweet (probably not from Kerber) is not an apology. Not good enough.
You still think it's legit? LOL. :X3:

I have a very nice bridge to sell you, are you interested by any chance?
 
You have already pressed the conversation....SO.....of course, Bianca has more variety in her game than anyone else on the women's circuit.

She mixes up hard shots, touch drops, spins of every variety, more repertoire than anyone else in the game, male or female.

You are way off course about moonballs being her only weapon, that's just a laugh.

Now, with recent shoulder surgery and a recent stress fracture in the foot, of course, she tries to break the rhythm of her more limited opponents.

And she had to retire today with injury trouble.

So, what is your point? I don't see one.
Is Andreescu the female Hoad in the making?
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
You have already pressed the conversation....SO.....of course, Bianca has more variety in her game than anyone else on the women's circuit.

She mixes up hard shots, touch drops, spins of every variety, more repertoire than anyone else in the game, male or female.

You are way off course about moonballs being her only weapon, that's just a laugh.

Now, with recent shoulder surgery and a recent stress fracture in the foot, of course, she tries to break the rhythm of her more limited opponents.

And she had to retire today with injury trouble.

So, what is your point? I don't see one.
It is just a laugh ... because I didn't say that either.

My point: to reconfirm that what I observed and for what I was laughed at from some apparently avid experts is correct, and to assure that there is no further twisting of what I say just like you do now.

:cool:
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
It is just a laugh ... because I didn't say that either.

My point: to reconfirm that what I observed and for what I was laughed at from some apparently avid experts is correct, and to assure that there are no further twisting of what I say just like you do now.

:cool:
I did not notice that you had any idea of her game.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Kontaveit crushed her moonballs so badly that she called it quits :laughing:
Yeah because she's quit when behind before and that's been a repeated pattern. Like when she was a set and 5-1 down to Begu earlier in the tournament.:rolleyes:

Is it really hard to believe that some players have legit injuries? Did Serena get this "she's faking because she's scared of losing" crap thrown at her when she withdrew earlier in IW and Miami.

Personally thought after IW she was looking pretty beat up. Impressed she fought through for 3 matches at Miami.

Hope she gets healthy soon.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
What, Kerber's congrats? It looks like her assistant wrote it. Not good enough.

Time for Kerber to own up and admit that she goofed, just like you did.
No, you still think her injuries are legit? LOL

Kerber's congrats (that she obviously didn't write) should have been deleted, and she should stand by the comments she made on court.
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
No, you still think her injuries are legit? LOL

Kerber's congrats should have been deleted, and she should stand by her comments.
Some people are hard of hearing and slow to listen.....do a little bit of homework before you continue to get owned here.

Kerber needs to get real and admit she goofed.

The sooner she does that, the fewer fans she will lose.
 

donquijote

Legend
No, you still think her injuries are legit? LOL

Kerber's congrats (that she obviously didn't write) should have been deleted, and she should stand by the comments she made on court.
Whaddyasaynough?

Injury forces Bianca Andreescu to forfeit 4th-round match at Miami Open
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Some people are hard of hearing and slow to listen.....do a little bit of homework before you continue to get owned here.

Kerber needs to get real and admit she goofed.

The sooner she does that, the fewer fans she will lose.
Whaddyasaynough?

Injury forces Bianca Andreescu to forfeit 4th-round match at Miami Open
So many prospective buyers for this bridge I'm selling... :giggle:
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
You bought that bridge yourself....time for you to move on, stop getting owned.
What bridge? should be near the mental asylum you're writing from.
Andreescu in the past 52 weeks:

Fed Cup vs Tsurenko: 6-4 3-6 0-4 RET
ITF Winnipeg vs Guillermo: 6-3 4-6 2-4 RET (played the next week)
ITF Saguenay vs Lemoine: 6-7(4) 0-2 RET (played the next week)
IW vs Kontaveit: 1-6 0-2 RET

4 retirements in 52 weeks. Worse than Kei Nishikori aka Mr. Glass

Yet another pattern emerges - quits when she's down instead of accepting defeat :whistle:
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
This is my response to Jacob22 from yesterday:

It strained Kerber some, but Kerber saw that and several times moon balled her back, which tells me that as the time passes the top players will get used to those tactics and will have their own. Actually, in the instances where Kerber moon balled her back more often than not she won the point.

From what I saw Andreescu was using that tactic to get herself in position to pound the ball at first chance, so moon balling her back with precision or slicing her would prove to be an effective tactic in the future.

:cool:

This is from my post today (the words of her coach in bold):

I didn't say any of that, and she was moving and hitting just fine in the first set and still got comprehensively owned by Kontaveit, but I won't press the conversation further.

For those that were yesterday laughing about my observations about her moonballing, I will quote her coach from today " So you throw the high ball, and then when you throw your high ball you want to get some depth, you want to push her back, ... and then try to use your forehand, try to get her on the move".

So, not only were my observations correct, but also the reason she does it (to be able to take the initiative after a weak response to the moonball) was correct, and also that it was an integral part of her strategy to "mix it up". Can't beat the feeling when the retaliation comes from the source itself.

:cool:

I will take that over the words of the local experts.

:giggle:
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
Andreescu in the past 52 weeks:

Fed Cup vs Tsurenko: 6-4 3-6 0-4 RET
ITF Winnipeg vs Guillermo: 6-3 4-6 2-4 RET (played the next week)
ITF Saguenay vs Lemoine: 6-7(4) 0-2 RET (played the next week)
IW vs Kontaveit: 1-6 0-2 RET

4 retirements in 52 weeks. Worse than Kei Nishikori aka Mr. Glass

Yet another pattern emerges - quits when she's down instead of accepting defeat :whistle:
You need reading glasses?

Bianca had in the past 52 weeks, 1) shoulder surgery in her serving shoulder

2) stress fracture in her foot

Those type of injuries do not heal easily, and some retirements are to be expected.

You seem to have a lot of trouble connecting the dots. Get some eye help.
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
This is my response to Jacob22 from yesterday:




This is from my post today (the words of her coach in bold):




I will take that over the words of the local experts.

:giggle:
You cannot take a few phrases out of context and claim that represents her game, that is a no-no.

Bianca has more variety in her game than anyone else on the current scene, male or female.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
You need reading glasses?

Bianca had in the past 52 weeks, 1) shoulder surgery in her serving shoulder

2) stress fracture in her foot

Those type of injuries do not heal easily, and some retirements are to be expected.

You seem to have a lot of trouble connecting the dots. Get some eye help.
She has surgeries and fractures but still manages to play tournaments right after those retirements

What a warrior!
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
She has surgeries and fractures but still manages to play tournaments right after those retirements

What a warrior!
Indeed, she is a fighter.

Her dad was worried before Miami that she was overdoing it, and he was concerned about re-injury.

It was better to be careful than over do it. Good decision.

You need to get up to speed on this.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
You cannot take a few phrases out of context and claim that represents her game, that is a no-no.

Bianca has more variety in her game than anyone else on the current scene, male or female.
I didn't take anything out of context, and actually didn't claim anything that you say or think that I claim. I am actually quite methodical when looking at a player's game, so ..... I beg to differ when it comes to your "conclusions".

:)
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
I didn't take anything out of context, and actually didn't claim anything that you say or think that I claim. I am actually quite methodical when looking at a player's game, so ..... I beg to differ when it comes to your "conclusions".

:)
I have patiently waited for you to give us a more complete analysis......
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
18 years old and already riddled with more injuries than veterans in their mid 30s

Poor girl... :cry:
Exactly, which is why Kerber has to do the right thing, come forward, show some class, and admit that SHE GOOFED.

I can guarantee you that if Kerber does that, comes clean, the Canadian fans at this year's Canadian Open in Toronto will give her a hearty Canadian welcome.
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
No, you pretended to pay attention. You didn't even agree on what was given to you, and later confirmed by her coach's comments.

Good luck with your own "analyses"

:cool:
You were in the wrong thread....there are other Andreescu threads....this one is about Kerber's comments and (expected) apology.
 

donquijote

Legend
Andreescu in the past 52 weeks:

Fed Cup vs Tsurenko: 6-4 3-6 0-4 RET
ITF Winnipeg vs Guillermo: 6-3 4-6 2-4 RET (played the next week)
ITF Saguenay vs Lemoine: 6-7(4) 0-2 RET (played the next week)
IW vs Kontaveit: 1-6 0-2 RET

4 retirements in 52 weeks. Worse than Kei Nishikori aka Mr. Glass

Yet another pattern emerges - quits when she's down instead of accepting defeat :whistle:
She already said that she had so many problems with her body last year. What's so difficult to understand?
Do you think a player who won IW by beating top players at 18 would retire to Lemoine and Guillermo just because she was losing 0-2 and 2-4?
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
She already said that she had so many problems with her body last year. What's so difficult to understand?
Do you think a player who won IW by beating top players at 18 would retire to Lemoine and Guillermo just because she was losing 0-2 and 2-4?
It's like talking to the mirror.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
You were in the wrong thread....there are other Andreescu threads....this one is about Kerber's comments and (expected) apology.
That issue is dealt with in exactly the same "knowledgeable" manner as the tactics situation: with abundance of local knowledge and not paying attention.

For example, I still haven't heard a reaction to the information that Andreesku has been engaging in some not quite adequate practices like hitting Kerber with balls after rallies, but I digress. The topic of Andreesku's on court attitude is not of my competence.

:cool:
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
That issue is dealt with in exactly the same "knowledgeable" manner as the tactics situation: with abundance of local knowledge and not paying attention.

For example, I still haven't heard a reaction to the information that Andreesku has been engaging in some not quite adequate practices like hitting Kerber with balls after rallies, but I digress. The topic of Andreesku's on court attitude is not of my competence.

:cool:
Well, her on court behaviour is leagues above Kerber, obviously.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, her on court behaviour is leagues above Kerber, obviously.
I don't know. If true hitting the opponent with balls more than once after the rally was finished intentionally doesn't look like a particularly good way to prove class, but I wasn't there, and, like I said, don't intend to get too deep in the moving sands called WTA.

:cool:
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
I don't know. If true hitting the opponent with balls more than once after the rally was finished intentionally doesn't look like a particularly good way to prove class, but I wasn't there, and, like I said, don't intend to get too deep in the moving sands called WTA.

:cool:
I did not see that, someone said that it was unintentional. Sounds like it was.

Kerber needs to admit that she goofed, and maybe then she will get a good reception by fans again. Especially in Toronto this year.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
I did not see that, someone said that it was unintentional. Sounds like it was.

Kerber needs to admit that she goofed, and maybe then she will get a good reception by fans again.
Actually he said:

It's certainly obvious that Andreescu is not intimidated by Kerber - and she can be a little obnoxious - last week she bounced some balls to the other end after games that actually hit Kerber - never seen that before! Seemed a bit rude.
How did you conclude that it was unintentional is beyond me. I guess that that is in line with the way you reason in general.

:cool:
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
She already said that she had so many problems with her body last year. What's so difficult to understand?
What is difficult is to take what she says at face value because of the behavior she's demonstrated so far. She is still young, so she is not yet irredeemable. I hope for her sake and the sake of the sport that she cleans up her act. The entire tour should be wise to her gamesmanship tactics now, so their effectiveness will diminish.
 

Steve0904

Talk Tennis Guru
What is difficult is to take what she says at face value because of the behavior she's demonstrated so far. She is still young, so she is not yet irredeemable. I hope for her sake and the sake of the sport that she cleans up her act. The entire tour should be wise to her gamesmanship tactics now, so their effectiveness will diminish.
She retired at 6-1 2-0 down today. Just saying.
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
That is unconvincing. In fact, I take it you made it up.

Good luck with the hate, because we know that whether she apologises or not, you will continue in the same vein.

:cool:
No, not made up...I guess you just made up your query, right?

Kerber can clear the air with an apology....and will be welcomed by the fans in Toronto this year.
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
What is difficult is to take what she says at face value because of the behavior she's demonstrated so far. She is still young, so she is not yet irredeemable. I hope for her sake and the sake of the sport that she cleans up her act. The entire tour should be wise to her gamesmanship tactics now, so their effectiveness will diminish.
Yeah, you live with your behaviour, there is no escape, so I am expecting Kerber to clean the air, open the window, and just admit that SHE

GOOFED.

We need a breath of fresh air, please Angie.
 

Tennis_Hands

Talk Tennis Guru
No, not made up...I guess you just made up your query, right?
I quoted what was claimed. You quoted nothing.

I think that this puts our way of arguing on different planes, and I am fine with that as long as it is clear.

As for whether she will be accepted well, that really doesn't concern me one bit, but I can see from thousands of miles a couple of guys being escorted out of the stadium, because even partisanship is not tolerated. It is bad for business.

:)
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
I quoted what was claimed. You quoted nothing.

I think that this puts our way of arguing on different planes, and I am fine with that as long as it is clear.

As for whether she will be accepted well, that really doesn't concern me one bit, but I can see from thousands of miles a couple of guys being escorted out of the stadium, because even partisanship is not tolerated. It is bad for business.

:)
You quoted someone's imagination from this forum, you are not serious.

I heard a first-hand account, no contest....but if you want to live in denial, go ahead.

I am still waiting for that apology from Kerber, and she will get a warm friendly welcome in Toronto this year when that is done.
 

jm1980

G.O.A.T.
Yeah, you live with your behaviour, there is no escape, so I am expecting Kerber to clean the air, open the window, and just admit that SHE

GOOFED.

We need a breath of fresh air, please Angie.
I expect Kerber to do that as soon as Andreescu admits to acting sick/hurt/injured/tired
 

Dan Lobb

Legend
I expect Kerber to do that as soon as Andreescu admits to acting sick/hurt/injured/tired
She doesn't act, she is/was....you seem to need some new reading glasses.

This can all be put behind us when Kerber apologizes.

Open the window, let the fresh air come in.
 
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