Discussion in 'Health & Fitness' started by McEnborg, Sep 15, 2012.
Curious is any use the kettle ball for strength for grip, wrist, shoulder, forearm, etc?
I use kettlebells for general conditioning sometimes. You can get a very good workout in a short amount of time. I don't really do it for tennis specifically.
One thing about kettlebells, you'll hear all over the place that good form is very important to avoid injury, etc. Well, I spent some time on youtube looking at videos when I started using them, and there are lots of contradictory videos: one guy says one thing, another guy the opposite, and both will be fitness professionals who seem to know what they're talking about. I recommend the Russian kettlebell videos for technique, partly just because they're entertaining.
Suzanna McGee, who posts here as sixftlion, has a great tennis fitness site: Tennis Fitness Training http://www.tennisfitnesslove.com/2010/12/fitness-benefits-of-kettlebells-by-ace/
Clicking on the above URL will let you review the following articles:
Kettlebell training for tennis players
Kettlebell training for beginners
Advanced kettlebell training
[I must say I am not that big a fan of kettlebells because I don't like the feeling of the kettlebell tugging at my shoulders - I would rather release a ball like in
TENNIS FITNESS – MEDICINE BALL WORKOUT http://www.essentialtennis.com/video/fitness/tennis-fitness-medicine-ball-workout/1728/
And for strength training I like more classic strength exercises: Tennis Weight Training http://optimumtennis.net/tennis-weight-training.htm
For concentrating specifically on the shoulders, arms and wrists, I don't think you can beat the thrower's ten exercises: http://www.muhlenberg.edu/pdf/main/athletics/athletic_training/throwers10.pdf ]
Edit: Double post. Sorry.
I do use kettlebells for my fitness conditioning a lot. Just like F Perry says, the form is important... just like Olympic lifting, it's a technique sport, but once you get it, it's really great. Even just the basic kettlebell swing, if done correctly, has a lot of benefits. You have to drive the kettlebell with the hips and not muscle it with the arms, don't resist its movement when it goes down, just use your core to stabilize the body. The quick explosive power from the hips is great.
It should not be pulling your shoulders out of your sockets (Charliefederer, not sure what is happening in your swing, would like to see it). To add intensity, you can do one-handed swings, flips (topspin or underspin or sidespin), all Olympic lifting movements like snatch, clean and jerk, power clean, push press, etc... but when you do them one-handed, it adds another challenge to your training. Don't worry about going too heavy, just have weight you can handle well and go for more reps. You can combine all those movements in a nice "routine"...
I do have some videos on Youtube, but they are not instructional. Just kind of fun videos from my training:
The kettlebells will get your legs, hips, and core strong, explosive power, strong shoulder stabilizers, strong grip, good cardio when you do more reps.
What is the benefit of using a kettleball over a dumbell? Is it just the fact that it rotates in hand that adds some benefit?
This from experience : If you have any doubt about your shoulder health , start with the smallest kettlebell you can find and master the technique before you go heavy.
The advantage of the kettlebell, as sixftlion points out, is that its a dynamic exercise that works out your core, hips, butt, shoulders, etc. Many people have criticized simple weight lifting because it merely isolates muscles. With a good kettlebell workout, you also don't have to spend time changing weights, you can get a good workout in a short period of time, and like I said, you work out groups of muscles rather than just, say, your arms.
Has anyone tried Joe Rogan's new kettlebells? I found the cheapest kettlebells (in the northeast) at Ocean State Job Lots.
All I can say is: WOW. You are super strong and your kb technique is awesome. That is a big ball, too. I'm afraid to strain my wrists with those kinds of snatches, etc. Congrats--definitely inspirational stuff.
For basic kb technique, I like this guy from Onnit:
I think you get a good sense of the natural movement from him.
This doesn't in any way answer my question.
How are kettlebells different than dumbells? Who said anything about changing weights? This isn't a sales infomercial.
What can you do with a weight with a handle on top of it as opposed to 2 weights with a handle stuck between them?
As for dumbells not being able to do a "dynamic" workout or only doing "isolation" exercise, you couldn't be any more wrong.
To cut to the chase, my contention is that kettlebell's are just another way to package weights in order to be able to sell something new to the public.
The advantage of kettlebell over a dumbbell is its off-center mass, and thus more stabilizing muscles working, for example when you have the kettlebell above your head. Of course, you could do the snatches and similar with dumbbells as well, but it's going to be less intense. Even though it seems like a little difference, you really feel it big way.
And all the other "fun" stuff, like the flips etc make the training even more intense. The difference between 30 regular swings or 30 flip-swings is HUGE. You get pretty pooped with the flips. All this you cannot do with a dumbbell.
The kettlebells are not really a "new gimmick", they've been used for thousands of years back in Russia. It just became "new" here in US and the modern world, sort of. The plain iron cast bell is not that expensive, it's good enough to have two, one heavier for the swings, one moderate weight over the head, and you can get super intense workouts, even in your home. Under $100 cost and you are set for long time.
Thanks, F Perry! You gotta start according to your strength with the snatches... start easy and your wrists and other tendons get used to it. The snatches are quite technical with the kettlebell and you get "banged" a bit while you are learning being smooth and the timing, but once you get it, there's no pain whatsoever. Other than the lovely pain of training
You can certainly get a dynamic, full body workout with dumbbells, but you would be using them differently than the majority of people use them. Of course, you can get a perfectly good workout without using either dumbbells or kettlebells, and using just the weight of your own body.
The arguments for using kettlebells are widely available to anyone belonging to a gym or doing a web search, so if you have an axe to grind about kettlebells, I think I'll just sit this one out, dumbbell.
I think it is pretty neat that Suzanna McGee has taken the time to post all this on kettlebells.
I'll have to give them another try, but will probably wait until I'm playing less in winter.
I don't have an axe to grind with kettlebells, you dope. I'm basically tired of seeing people spend their money on the next new fad when they can do most if not all of the same exercise with a dumbell.
And if it's an adjustable dumbell, it's superior to a kettlebell financially, because you can add weight.
What does how the "majority of people use them" have to do with it. The majority of people use their running shoes to run slowly...so of course you need a different pair of shoes to run fast. Talk about stupid.
Do a little search on "dumbell complexes", and then maybe you will have a clue.
not sure if i am more impressed with the flipping or smiling afterwards!!
impressive all around
very interested in getting started with kettleballing, do you have any good youtube instructional videos, and if you could stress 3-5 exercises what would they be?
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