Kids rolling like corkscrew around front leg after FH

[Deleted member 7041]

Hi all,
I'm having problem to explain papa an son (15) how to stop that corkscrew effect after their FH, both of them can rotate shoulders almost 180 with the stick, no problem. And both of them after FH rotate without any steps forward.-)
Without moving any legs they can do couple of shots OK, but then still drive their body and mind too hard and do that rotation despite "RELAX-RELAX-RELAX" playing from me all the time
Center of the body is between the legs, knee are bended OK, not on the front, everything looks fine for me.

I think they might have very hard harness between upper and lower body and probably over exciting to hit ball hard and lunch themselves into the air. Anybody can share their expertise/drills ? I already used all my vocabulary

HELP !!!

Thanks
Mario

 

[eah123]

I think this is too hard to understand without a video. Maybe post a video? Or try the international forum.

 

[Sintherius]

I think this is too hard to understand without a video. Maybe post a video? Or try the international forum.

I (think?) he’s saying that after the person(s) hit their forehand, they spin around like MJ??

 

[Hunter Rice]

How is repeating “relax” going to help them do so? They already know to after being told once. You could try doing the drill where one lunges down on their knees, so that they have to get torque in their upper body instead of corkscrewing.

 

[smashlob2]

Little kids: “no tornadoes”
Big kids/adults: slow it down, break it down into one piece at a time, feet do this, hips do this, arms do this, etc. use drop feed or even something like an eye coach or topspin pro. Or start with mini tennis to hit softly and slowly move back/add power without the corkscrew.

 

[nyta2]

Hi all,
I'm having problem to explain papa an son (15) how to stop that corkscrew effect after their FH, both of them can rotate shoulders almost 180 with the stick, no problem. And both of them after FH rotate without any steps forward.-)
Without moving any legs they can do couple of shots OK, but then still drive their body and mind too hard and do that rotation despite "RELAX-RELAX-RELAX" playing from me all the time
Center of the body is between the legs, knee are bended OK, not on the front, everything looks fine for me.

I think they might have very hard harness between upper and lower body and probably over exciting to hit ball hard and lunch themselves into the air. Anybody can share their expertise/drills ? I already used all my vocabulary

HELP !!!

Thanks
Mario

lol, i'll take a stab, and interpret "corkscrew" as overrotating the shoulders/core prematurely.
maybe this vid helps? (from the time i posted, it describes the sensation of letting the hand go thru contact, then the body turns after)

otherwise gl.

 

[sovertennis]

I'm a bit unclear about what the OP is describing. If it's what it seems--over rotating on the fh--then he might ask the player to make his unit turn and place his non-dom hand on his upper chest (sort of like a pledge of allegiance pose) and then give the player a hand feed and ask him/her to hit the ball w/o moving the non dom hand. I coach several players who have a problem with over-rotating and we do this exercise every practice. Simple, and seems to help.

 

[Deleted member 7041]

Thanks all for your super response, sorry I can't produce real video, I meant that after hitting FH they almost go airborne and:
< they spin around like MJ> Ⓒ Sintherius
< tornados> Ⓒ smashlob2 !!!!!!!!! Exactly !!!!!!!!!
I thought that RELAX should help them to rotate torso more freely without moving lower body, they can do this during slow demo.
+ definitely they are overexcited and have bull effect.

Best
M

 

[nyta2]

I'm a bit unclear about what the OP is describing. If it's what it seems--over rotating on the fh--then he might ask the player to make his unit turn and place his non-dom hand on his upper chest (sort of like a pledge of allegiance pose) and then give the player a hand feed and ask him/her to hit the ball w/o moving the non dom hand. I coach several players who have a problem with over-rotating and we do this exercise every practice. Simple, and seems to help.

interesting, will try that...
my cue (for me and what i teach) is to make sure my shoulder touches my chin (which is impossible to do if my chest rotates too early)... aka "chin to chin", left shoulder touches chin on prep, right shoulder touches chin on follow through.

 

[Pumpkin]

The hips need to turn without moving left or right. A movement to the left will cause over rotating for a right hander.

 

[nunos]

do you mean this, what's called falling off the stroke in the video?

 

[Deleted member 7041]

Thanks Nunos, Pumpkin and all once again ! Will have big implementation over weekend.

 

[Chas Tennis]

Hi all,
I'm having problem to explain papa an son (15) how to stop that corkscrew effect after their FH, both of them can rotate shoulders almost 180 with the stick, no problem. And both of them after FH rotate without any steps forward.-)
Without moving any legs they can do couple of shots OK, but then still drive their body and mind too hard and do that rotation despite "RELAX-RELAX-RELAX" playing from me all the time
Center of the body is between the legs, knee are bended OK, not on the front, everything looks fine for me.

I think they might have very hard harness between upper and lower body and probably over exciting to hit ball hard and lunch themselves into the air. Anybody can share their expertise/drills ? I already used all my vocabulary

HELP !!!

Thanks
Mario

Look at forehands of ATP players. Don't copy full ranges of motion that you see as that would be too stressful. Tone it back to safe motions for individual player with their limitations.

Learn to see the simple & very significant sub-motions in clear high speed videos of ATP players.

See Youtube video by Dan Brown. Listen carefully.

"I'm on Your Side Tennis" Forehand

Find videos of current ATP forehands. Consider bent or straight elbow forehands.

I've posted on this subject with more information.
Search also -- forehand separation.

 

[soft_manatee]

Look at forehands of ATP players. Don't copy full ranges of motion that you see as that would be too stressful. Tone it back to safe motions for individual player with their limitations.

Learn to see the simple & very significant sub-motions in clear high speed videos of ATP players.

See Youtube video by Dan Brown. Listen carefully.

"I'm on Your Side Tennis" Forehand

Find videos of current ATP forehands. Consider bent or straight elbow forehands.

I've posted on this subject with more information.
Search also -- forehand separation.

Do you just copy paste this stuff into any thread with the word forehand in the title? If you're trying to be helpful, consider actually reading the op rather than just regurgitating the same unhelpful jargon every post.

 

[Chas Tennis]

Do you just copy paste this stuff into any thread with the word forehand in the title? If you're trying to be helpful, consider actually reading the op rather than just regurgitating the same unhelpful jargon every post.

I was unclear about what the OP was talking about. Could you please translate for me?

I posted some general approaches for information and mentioned separation an issue because most forum posters don't have adequate separation.

I repeat my information for the OPs because it's good information.