Kimony vs. Made in China (LOL)

kkm

Hall of Fame
Thanks @Dags never too old to learn. Jack Nicholas told me that. I was watching him his 50 yard chip shots at a flag in LA once. About 30 chips in a row landed within 5’ of the flag. Then he turned around and said, “Never too old to learn.” Of course pro golfers don’t always shoot for the flag.
You talking about Jack Nicklaus?
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
Like @Irvin I am waiting for my Alpha Sports Kimony knockoff, ordered around 15 NOV. Obviously I don't need it but wanted to have it just to see how well it works.

I pull knots exclusively with the one on the left, that thing on the right was a serious error in judgement:

 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
My Allpha SC came in today. The functionality of the Toyosouki SC (Yonex) and the Allpha SC is totally different. The Toyosouki clamp moves the pivot side of the clamp down and in as it closes. Seems like it would roll the string very slightly. The Allpha clamp just pulls the pivot side in. I haven’t actually used the Allpha SC yet but it looks promising. I did clamp both clamps down on VS gut and ALU Rough and the Allpha clamp left less of a mark but that could be the adjustment. I talked to Mark Gonzales and he said Allpha is in no way associated with Alpha. Maybe it should be referred to as the China SC to avoid confusion.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
My Allpha SC came in today. The functionality of the Toyosouki SC (Yonex) and the Allpha SC is totally different. The Toyosouki clamp moves the pivot side of the clamp down and in as it closes. Seems like it would roll the string very slightly. The Allpha clamp just pulls the pivot side in. I haven’t actually used the Allpha SC yet but it looks promising. I did clamp both clamps down on VS gut and ALU Rough and the Allpha clamp left less of a mark but that could be the adjustment. I talked to Mark Gonzales and he said Allpha is in no way associated with Alpha. Maybe it should be referred to as the China SC to avoid confusion.
Congrats.
yeah, the small/pivot part is on the different side for both the Kimony/Yonex and the MIC SC.
look forward to watching your YT review on these ones.;)
 

Binatang

Rookie
My Allpha SC came in today. The functionality of the Toyosouki SC (Yonex) and the Allpha SC is totally different. The Toyosouki clamp moves the pivot side of the clamp down and in as it closes. Seems like it would roll the string very slightly. The Allpha clamp just pulls the pivot side in. I haven’t actually used the Allpha SC yet but it looks promising. I did clamp both clamps down on VS gut and ALU Rough and the Allpha clamp left less of a mark but that could be the adjustment. I talked to Mark Gonzales and he said Allpha is in no way associated with Alpha. Maybe it should be referred to as the China SC to avoid confusion.
The Allpha store on AliEx is not an official store me thinks. The official Alpha China store is on Taobao (China's Amazon) & it sells the same Toyo clone as well. Its cheaper too at about $55 but it doesn't do international shipping.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
The Allpha store on AliEx is not an official store me thinks.
if Mark Gonzales never heard of the store it can’t be Alpha’s official store.
The official Alpha China store is on Taobao (China's Amazon) & it sells the same Toyo clone as well. Its cheaper too at about $55 but it doesn't do international shipping.
I tried to buy an accuswing from some store once and they said that couldn’t send to the states because Alpha was the sole distributor in the states. In hind sight I’m happy with the SW1.
 

Rabbit

G.O.A.T.
@Rabbit did you enough for @am1899 @Wes and me?

I fear you forgot about us . and I am still looking for diablo from a Mighty Sensor to pop up on some electronic bay...

You know I put a call into Babolat about that Mighty Sensor Diabolo. I mean surely since the Star 5 had a Diabolo the Mighty Sensor would too. But what they told me was that the Star 5 wasn't quite the machine the Mighty Sensor was and the Mighty Sensor's superior design and build negated the need for a Diabolo. Now this may enrage some diablo's using Star 5's that have Diabolos because they'll reason, wrongly, that if the Star 5 has a Diabolo, every machine must then have a Diabolo. Their ire at the prospect not being true about the Diabolo is what made them into virtual diablo'.

Regarding the clamp.....I'm keeping a close eye on all my financial accounts at present. IF/when the thing shows up, it may become pass around to a few fellow boarders (you know who you are) for an evaluation period.
 

am1899

Hall of Fame
You know I put a call into Babolat about that Mighty Sensor Diabolo. I mean surely since the Star 5 had a Diabolo the Mighty Sensor would too. But what they told me was that the Star 5 wasn't quite the machine the Mighty Sensor was and the Mighty Sensor's superior design and build negated the need for a Diabolo. Now this may enrage some diablo's using Star 5's that have Diabolos because they'll reason, wrongly, that if the Star 5 has a Diabolo, every machine must then have a Diabolo. Their ire at the prospect not being true about the Diabolo is what made them into virtual diablo'.

Regarding the clamp.....I'm keeping a close eye on all my financial accounts at present. IF/when the thing shows up, it may become pass around to a few fellow boarders (you know who you are) for an evaluation period.
I’d be happy to throw it in the rotation at work for a day or two - to see if it holds up to scrutiny in a retail environment.
 

graycrait

Hall of Fame
I ordered my "clone" clamp a day before Irvin did. Mine cleared customs 11/30 and supposedly arrived to the US 12/1 according to AliExpress data. I ran a trace with USPS and they have not received the package.
 

Irvin

Talk Tennis Guru
I strung an RF97 with NRG2 17 mains and ALU Power Rough 125 crosses. I use the China SC to start the mains and crosses. I found the China SC produced minimal marks / ghosting on the NRG2. Less than the Yonex SC I have maybe, and less than a spring type SC. There was no slipping at all. To start the mains I ran in 3 center crosses and put a starting clamp on main 2 with no machine clamp. This is the way Ron Yu starts the mains on Federer‘s rackets, except that I used a leather pad between the frame and the SC.

For the crosses I used the China SC outside the frame with no leather pad between the bumper and SC, and pulled tension on the second, then the third crosses, before moving back up to tie off the top cross. Again this is identical to how Ron Yu starts the crosses for Federer’s rackets. When I removed the SC the string pulled out 1/8” but the area where the SC was stopped before entering the tie off grommet. There was no evident crushing or marking left by the SC on the ALU Power Rough I could see.

I will continue to use my spring loaded clamps because I believe they are easier to use for knots & bridging. YMMV Overall I would say the China SCs are functionally every bit as good as the Toyo clamps, but the Toyo clamps have a better finish.
 

struggle

Legend
After reading all of this thread, I'm positive that i don't need either of them.....the stupidly expensive one or the overly expensive chinese unit.

My current quiver of SC's is fine (Eagnas, Gamma, Babolat). I've yet to hear a reason that these newer style units are preferable.

Change my mind.
 

esm

Hall of Fame
After reading all of this thread, I'm positive that i don't need either of them.....the stupidly expensive one or the overly expensive chinese unit.

My current quiver of SC's is fine (Eagnas, Gamma, Babolat). I've yet to hear a reason that these newer style units are preferable.

Change my mind.
You are right. You don’t need either of them - IMO the traditional SC style is more than enough.
I got both because I was bored…. Lol
 

djNEiGht

Hall of Fame
I have the yonex one and I have not been using it much. Primarily my Babolat sc. the muscle memory is just more comfortable with that. Maybe as a starting clamp with certain strings that are really thin, slippery, or who knows is when I’ll use the Yonex
 
You are right. You don’t need either of them - IMO the traditional SC style is more than enough.
I got both because I was bored…. Lol
Was really tempted, simply because it looked like a nice tool/toy but I think I will follow your suggestion. Have four SCs (I have 2 machines) that I've picked up over the years more for convenience (ok lazy don't want to walk over to the other machine and take off the cover) but even the lower $ unit seemed a bit high. The higher $ model....way out of my budget.

Thank You.
 
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Raiontzukai

New User
Congrats.
yeah, the small/pivot part is on the different side for both the Kimony/Yonex and the MIC SC.
look forward to watching your YT review on these ones.;)
Hi!

Say you were starting out and had one clamp to buy, would you get the Allpha one or a traditional SC? I plan on stringing tennis and badminton racquets. Will be stringing for myself and maybe one or two friends (unless my kids finally catch the bug :-D). I've already bought a stringer with fixed clamps; just waiting for the snow to melt...

I'm in Canada, so every clamp is around $100.

Thanks!
 

esm

Hall of Fame
Hi!

Say you were starting out and had one clamp to buy, would you get the Allpha one or a traditional SC? I plan on stringing tennis and badminton racquets. Will be stringing for myself and maybe one or two friends (unless my kids finally catch the bug :-D). I've already bought a stringer with fixed clamps; just waiting for the snow to melt...

I'm in Canada, so every clamp is around $100.

Thanks!
Hi mate - i think the traditional SC would be a good idea. It’d be easier to operate when tying the knots too.
have fun.
 

Binatang

Rookie
Hi mate - i think the traditional SC would be a good idea. It’d be easier to operate when tying the knots too.
have fun.
Agreed. An adjustable SC like the Allpha is useful when you string a lot of sensitive strings or natural gut where you don't want to mar the strings with over/under pressure. If you starting out & only doing it for yourself & few others, I don't see a point in it. Since you want to do badminton as well make sure the SC has flush gripping surface as badminton strings are much thinner. They not going to tolerate gaps in the SC.
 

Stefanm

Rookie
I ordered my "clone" clamp a day before Irvin did. Mine cleared customs 11/30 and supposedly arrived to the US 12/1 according to AliExpress data. I ran a trace with USPS and they have not received the package.
I ordered mine 23Nov and it cleared customs on 13Dec, but hasn’t arrived yet
 
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Irvin

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Mine took 35 days (Nov 21 - Dec26) to get from China to USPS. That 35 days is the transportation / customs portion of logistics. I don't think AliExpress can see where in the transportation / customs process a parcel is being held up or when it clears customs. I wish you guys the best of luck, it must be frustrating.
 
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graycrait

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I ordered mine 23Nov and it cleared customs on 13Dec, but hasn’t arrived yet
Yesterday, 2 months after my initial order, Aliexpress told me that they complained to their logistics company. Mine has not made it from wherever it clears customs (cleared customs 11/30) to the USPS. I'm pretty sure I will never see it. Then the issue will be to see how fast if ever Aliexpress refunds.
 
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loosegroove

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Yesterday, 2 months after my initial order, Aliexpress told me that they complained to their logistics company. Mine has not made it from wherever it clears customs (cleared customs 11/30) to the USPS. I'm pretty sure I will never see it. Then the issue will be to see how fast if ever Aliexpress refunds.
AliExpress is actually quite good about refunding for undelivered or damaged goods.
 

struggle

Legend
Hi!

Say you were starting out and had one clamp to buy, would you get the Allpha one or a traditional SC? I plan on stringing tennis and badminton racquets. Will be stringing for myself and maybe one or two friends (unless my kids finally catch the bug :-D). I've already bought a stringer with fixed clamps; just waiting for the snow to melt...

I'm in Canada, so every clamp is around $100.

Thanks!
Regular SC, no doubt. (get two for the price of one of these "gimmicks", you can use two but one is enough).
 

Stefanm

Rookie
Yesterday, 2 months after my initial order, Aliexpress told me that they complained to their logistics company. Mine has not made it from wherever it clears customs (cleared customs 11/30) to the USPS. I'm pretty sure I will never see it. Then the issue will be to see how fast if ever Aliexpress refunds.
  • 2022.01.18 08:21 (GMT-7): Received by the delivery company
  • 2021.12.13 14:10 (GMT-7): Arrived at destination country
  • 2021.12.11 13:00 (GMT-7): Customs clearance successful
Mine finally changed status. Hopefully on the way . You may still have hope.
 
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