Kinetic 5g's, for Higher Level Players?

Looking for input as to how the Kinetic 5g's would compare to the more traditional, player's frames, with low flex for the arm/elbow. I've come across numerous conflicting reports, where some say the Kinetics are hands down the best for the elbow, whereas others say they're a bit stiff feeling and will say things like the PB10 Mid or RDX 500 MP are notably easier on the arm. Along with these posts, I'll see conflicting reports about how some find the DNX10 Mid more comfortable than the PB10 Mid or vice versa. To me, however, that's just more in line with user preference, or one racket suiting a player's strokes a little bit more. I say this, mainly because I'm used to using low flex, player's frames, some with handle dampening systems, and others not. In the end, they've all about the same for the arm...*unless* you start having real arm issues. For me, there was a time when my wrist was about to fall off, I could barely feed a ball over the net it was so bad. The C10 Pro Tour, a very comy frame, did nothing in this regard to help me, nor the Pyramid Tour. Both are up there with the most arm friendly player's frames ever made.

The solution for me then was the Tenex shock absorber wrist strap. Simply put, this was a miracle cure for me and made more difference than anything else out there. With the player's frames, I feel like you're talking about minor differences/nuances in what's more "arm friendly." And, since the trajectory of your swing will vary from racket to racket; based simply on your unique style of play, I believe this is what accounts for people's often times polarized views of which racket is more arm friendly for them...despite, similar "arm friendly" specs. When it comes to arm related issues in tennis, even slight differences in your swing mechanics can set them off; so this is totally understandable.

At this point, I can safely say that I am completely dependent on my elbow to work; whether out in the field all day, or in front of a computer all day...both are about as elbow-centric and "bad" for the elbow as it gets. And yet, taking time off is also absolutely not an option at this point either; this is by far the most critical junction of my life. Because of this, I am for the first time considering the 5g rackets though they don't fit my normal preferred specs (i.e. mid-size, player's frames...preferably, with as low a power level as I can find).

I'm about one month from "safely" being able to try hitting again, so demoing isn't an option at this point. So, basically, my question do you believe the 5g would be more arm friendly for higher level players, 5.0 plus? I've never seen any 5.0 or higher use a Kinetic, and yet my guess is that the Kinetic technology would actually be more arm friendly in the hands of those who like to take huge cuts at the ball than your traditional "arm friendly," heavy/flexibile player's frame. It would seem to me that the Kinetic technology's effectiveness is commensurate with your swing speed, e.g. for a volley where there is very little swing, the Kinetic system basically does nothing. And, hence, this is why I think I read one person say that the Kinetic's a strange feeling racket to get used to in that it feels harsh/stiff on soft shots, and yet when you swing all out, it feels too soft/cushy to get any feedback.

Anyway, for me, my arm is the most important thing at this point; so I'll deal with the "feel" issue, if it ultimately means the racket is easiest on the elbow.

The classic 5g's I'm interested in are too light stock, so my plan would be to add silicone to the handle. I figure this would be the ultimate arm friendly racket for someone who relies on taking massive, Fernando Gonzales like, cuts at the ball; while getting the rackets near my target weight of around 13 oz.

This said, I still do have my usual preferences. I was wondering if anyone had any opinions as to whether something like a RQiS Tour or RDX500, both very flexy frames, but without shock handle systems, would be equally arm friendly with silicone injected handles? I've never tried this, but I imagine that the silicone would give even better shock absorption than something like the Volkl sensor handle system. Thanks for any input.
 
I'm a former college player and I've used both the 5Gs and PB10 mids. They're presently the two frames I hit with the most. The 5G is stiffer, but is arm friendly due to the Kinetic system. It feels very much like a toned-down muted Pure Drive. The PB10 mid is flexier and heavier. Both are equally arm-friendly to me. My 5Gs with lead in the hoop weigh in at about 12 ounces while my PB10 mids with mods weigh in at 12.7 ounces. They're both fantastic racquets but will likely appeal to different players. Demo each and see which one you prefer.

BTW, I had full-blown tennis elbow last winter, but I'm now able to play both with full beds of poly at low tensions. Good luck with your racquet search.

P.S. - If you want to buy a used 5G in a 4 1/2 for cheap, I can sell you one of mine - I have 4 of them and I don't need so many now that I don't play tourneys, anymore. Hope this helps.
 
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You know, the 5G get's touted prettty much exclusively as "The Arm friendly racquet" and it is. But it's a great racquet all around. If you're looking to mod one to get close to 13 oz. you may want to try to hunt down the PSE version of the 5G. I think that TW only stocks the Ki5 Version PSE now but you should be able to track one or two of the originals down.
Many of us that use the 5G also lead up the head at around the 10 and 2 O'clock positions to make up for that dead spot up there.

Interesting about your observations of the C10 Pro Tour. I use C10 pros as my main racquet and I have one C10 pro tour and I find them to be just as easy on the arm as the 5G but with much better plushy powthrough.
 
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Yes, I know about the PSE version, but unfortunately for me it only goes down to 4-1/4th in grip size. The Kinetic handles can't be remolded from what I've been told, due to the Kinetic system extending into the shaft or whatever. I simply can't use anything but a 4-1/8th grip size now, as nothing else feels right in terms of wrist whippiness...eh, I guess I got what I had coming to me for using such a small grip size I guess. Anyway, yeah, so that's why was looking at the classic 5g which is supposedly softer on the arm the current iterations, and can be ordered in L1. Besides, I figure, that if you filled the handle with silicone, then you'd really have just about the most arm friendly racket imagineable...you'd get the double, anti-whammy with the Kinetic technology in the head, the shock absorbing handle, and then plus the extra weight. The C10 Pro and Pro Tour are arm friendly rackets, but the Pro Tour is impossible to track down in a threesome now, and the C10 Pro I've never been a fan. I've always felt like it lacked any substance behind it's feel. It was just soft and sensitive, but something was missing for me; no "body," if you will. Leading them up, wasn't the trick either; they just seemed to lack that robustness, the C10 Pro Tour, added just enough robustness to it, to make it agreeable to me from a feel stand point.
 
The C10 Pro and Pro Tour are arm friendly rackets, but the Pro Tour is impossible to track down in a threesome now, and the C10 Pro I've never been a fan. I've always felt like it lacked any substance behind it's feel. It was just soft and sensitive, but something was missing for me; no "body," if you will. Leading them up, wasn't the trick either; they just seemed to lack that robustness, the C10 Pro Tour, added just enough robustness to it, to make it agreeable to me from a feel stand point.

I have tried both C10 Pro Tour and PK 5G.

For me, PK 5G was more arm-friendly.
 
One of the big problems with flexier is that folks used to stiffer racquets miss the power levels of their former stiffer sticks. The kinetic system allows PK to make stiffer racquets (RA around 62-64) with the arm friendliness of frames below 60. So you get a little more pop while still retaining more arm-friendliness. It still often isn't enough compared to the stiff stuff but it might be enough to keep you competitive while you are recovering.
 
You know, the 5G get's touted prettty much exclusively as "The Arm friendly racquet" and it is. But it's a great racquet all around. If you're looking to mod one to get close to 13 oz. you may want to try to hunt down the PSE version of the 5G. I think that TW only stocks the Ki5 Version PSE now but you should be able to track one or two of the originals down.
Many of us that use the 5G also lead up the head at around the 10 and 2 O'clock positions to make up for that dead spot up there.

Interesting about your observations of the C10 Pro Tour. I use C10 pros as my main racquet and I have one C10 pro tour and I find them to be just as easy on the arm as the 5G but with much better plushy powthrough.

The pro shop next to my house has a PSE version of 5g.
I play with 7G and with 6 grams of lead added to the head it is just like a players frame. Even 5 G should be a players fame with little lead on the head. They are not as soft as BB11 but definitely take the viberation out. You can put this racquet in the line of any hard hit ball without wories. Basically i see 5g and 7g as racquets that have specs between players and tweener frame but can be made a players fame with little lead. They are the best customizable fames i have come accross. But 5G is not a low powered fame, they are powerful and it takes time to adjust to power.
 
The pro shop next to my house has a PSE version of 5g.
I play with 7G and with 6 grams of lead added to the head it is just like a players frame. Even 5 G should be a players fame with little lead on the head. They are not as soft as BB11 but definitely take the viberation out. You can put this racquet in the line of any hard hit ball without wories. Basically i see 5g and 7g as racquets that have specs between players and tweener frame but can be made a players fame with little lead. They are the best customizable fames i have come accross. But 5G is not a low powered fame, they are powerful and it takes time to adjust to power.

Really good points. On my 5Gs, I've added about 12 grommet holes - worth of 1/4 inch lead on each side of the frame. It makes the head even more stable on contact.
 
1. These racquets are (arguably) player's racquets. Look at the static weight of the models and medium to stiff flex.

2. The grip can be made smaller in the sense that you can switch out the original grip for a much thinner replacement grip. I did this on my 4 5/8 and now it feels more like a 4 1/2. There is a clear difference.

3. The feel of the racquet varies depending on string, so tinker with the tension and string type and you'll probably get what you like.
 
Can't comment on the 5g, but I had a Ki 5 PSE that was really clunky for me no matter how I strung it. I've also enjoyed the plush feel of the C10 Pro and some soft 'n hefty mids including the LM Prestige and the Prince NXG. You sound like you'd enjoy that NXG, considering it was produced at around 13 oz. and 9 or 10 pts. HL in its stock layout. Great for wailing away with comfort, control, and authority. Wish they were still making that one.

With that in mind, I'd bet that you'd find the RQiS 1 Tour to be too light for you in its stock setup. I have one that I've noodled with and since I also like both a heavier and softer racquet myself, I couldn't relate to that Yonex without a 3/9 o'clock lead tune-up. It gets its flex from a soft throat, but the "substance" isn't there without some heavy tape - you'd probably want some silicone in the handle, too if you like to get the heft up near 13 oz.

Any racquet can be arm friendly if it's a good "fit" for a particular player I think. Stiffness isn't such a big deal as long as the player can consistently find the sweet-spot when using it, but the trouble is that it can take a while to find that fit for yourself. From what I've seen in recent years, I'm actually convinced that the strings in any racquet are the most significant contributor to how arm-friendly it may be.
 
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