King Richard may be the greatest tennis movie ever made

FiddlerDog

Professional
Amazing movie! So grateful !
Never again will this much be invested into a tennis movie,

King Richard is a masterpiece. The full insane story has finally been told. There is almost zero Hollywood. 99% facts. Truth is stranger than fiction. A true gift for the tennis nerd.
Anyone who skips this movie because of some childish grudge shant dare call themselves a real tennis fan.
 
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Midaso240

Hall of Fame
I said after watching it that it easily had the best tennis scenes I've ever seen in a movie. I'd hesitate at calling it the best tennis movie though, just in case movies like Match Point or Strangers On A Train or The Squid and The Whale (which I think are better movies) count.
 

Visionary

Hall of Fame
I've tried to watch it in China but am having troubles with Netflix now. The youtube doesn't seem to have it. Is there an other site I could watch the movie on?
 

Goof

Professional
I said after watching it that it easily had the best tennis scenes I've ever seen in a movie. I'd hesitate at calling it the best tennis movie though, just in case movies like Match Point or Strangers On A Train or The Squid and The Whale (which I think are better movies) count.
Strangers on a Train is perhaps the most underrated Hitchcock movie. So good.
 

atatu

Legend
I think it is the best tennis movie ever, I don't count movies where the tennis is just part of the story. That leaves "Wimbledon" "Players" "Borg vs. McEnroe" and a bunch of bad comedies like "Balls Out" so it's true there isn't much competition. I have heard "The French" is very good, but haven't seen it yet.
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
Agree with the OP's sentiments. Whether you like or dislike Serena's twitter activity/activism/on-court behavior should have no bearing on the magnitude of Richard Williams's achievement. For a guy with little to no tennis experience to develop two players with ~30 slams between them off the streets in Compton is staggering.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Agree with the OP's sentiments. Whether you like or dislike Serena's twitter activity/activism/on-court behavior should have no bearing on the magnitude of Richard Williams's achievement. For a guy with little to no tennis experience to develop two players with ~30 slams between them off the streets in Compton is staggering.
Shhh people gotta be "cool" though :D
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It was a much better movie than I could have imagined.
 

Kralingen

Legend
People love to hate Serena on this forum man. It’s actually quite tragic. Not saying she is perfect (nor is her dad) but their origin story is undeniably incredible. In fact when you see how psychotically single minded and stubborn their dad is, Serena actually seems like she turned out decently well all considered.

What I always come back to is 2003. Look up their sister Yetunde (the older Valedictorian one who stayed in LA in the movie)… l’m always gonna be a fan of the two given all that they’ve been through.
 
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MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
People love to hate Serena on this forum man. It’s actually quite tragic. Not saying she is perfect (nor is her dad) but their origin story is undeniably incredible. In fact when you see how psychotically single minded and stubborn their dad is, Serena actually seems like she turned out decently well all considered.

What I always come back to is 2003. Look up what their sister Yetunde (the older Valedictorian one who stayed in LA in the movie)… l’m always gonna be a fan of the two given all that they’ve been through.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
its a great movie but i dont think the ending was accurate
in that venus played sanchez-vicario at 2nd rnd USO??
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
Annie Hall and Royal Tenenbaums off the top of my head
And the one with Even Stevens, the one with Vision, the one with Gwen Stacy, the one with the one with Black Widow, and the one with Alfred Hitchcock. I've only seen the last one, and I don't plan on rectifying that anytime soon.

Has anyone seen this one: John McEnroe: In the Realm of Perfection?
 

Tshooter

G.O.A.T.
…Has anyone seen this one: John McEnroe: In the Realm of Perfection?
 

kevin qmto

Professional
Strangers on a Train

ok not really but still
I was in stitches laughing at the terrible tennis on display in that film. Just footage of actual tennis players, spliced in with close ups of the actors swinging madly at thin air, on a completely different part of the court.
 

Moose Malloy

G.O.A.T.
I've tried to watch it in China but am having troubles with Netflix now. The youtube doesn't seem to have it. Is there an other site I could watch the movie on?
It's only playing in theaters internationally, and is not getting a China release as far as I can tell. The only place it's streaming is HBOmax in the US (not Netflix). Maybe you can find it through "unofficial" sources.
 

NonP

Hall of Fame
As I've told you jokers the best sports movies have little to do with the depicted sport itself. In fact sometimes the sport isn't depicted at all:


Also y'all are giving Richard too much credit. For starters there was no reason to move his middle-class family to Compton except to satisfy his twisted sense of what it means to overcome adversity, and Serena and Venus' half-sister Yetunde Price would be alive today if not for their daddy's reckless folly. Not to mention his grossly irresponsible abandonment of his first family which he still doesn't seem to have atoned for:


And of course there's the head-scratching focus on the father when it is his daughters who have done the lion's share of work. In other words this is almost certainly a standard Hollywood biopic. Hopefully it doesn't shortchange the women's own contributions to their success, but I'm not holding my breath.

Time for some housekeeping:

I said after watching it that it easily had the best tennis scenes I've ever seen in a movie. I'd hesitate at calling it the best tennis movie though, just in case movies like Match Point or Strangers On A Train or The Squid and The Whale (which I think are better movies) count.
MP was something of a turning point in Woody's career. He'll never be mistaken for a Huston, Téchiné or another first-rate novelistic filmmaker, but his characters no longer felt like cardboard figures whose sole raison d'etre is to drive the story.

Strangers on a Train is perhaps the most underrated Hitchcock movie. So good.
Strangers is hardly overlooked these days. Hitch's most underrated is probably The Trouble with Harry (1955) or Family Plot (1976, his last).

I like Battle of the Sexes a lot.

J
Good point, I forgot all about that, Steve Carell was pretty good as Riggs.
The movie's one saving grace is its sympathetic portrayal of Larry's complicated relationship with his star wife which turns the usual gender dynamics upside down. I doubt the latest Will Smith vehicle offers anything half as good, but....

Well, tennis movies is not a subgenre with lots of movies competing.
Until @NonP doesn’t provide his critique, I can’t tell.
I'll still go see it eventually. Just hope it'll meet my low expectations at least.

keep an eye out for this, releases Dec 3
Didn't know about this. Thx for the heads-up.
 

NoleFam

Talk Tennis Guru
People love to hate Serena on this forum man. It’s actually quite tragic. Not saying she is perfect (nor is her dad) but their origin story is undeniably incredible. In fact when you see how psychotically single minded and stubborn their dad is, Serena actually seems like she turned out decently well all considered.

What I always come back to is 2003. Look up their sister Yetunde (the older Valedictorian one who stayed in LA in the movie)… l’m always gonna be a fan of the two given all that they’ve been through.
I get the Serena dislike but people on here love to hate on the Williamses period. I remember when Venus got in that car accident and they initially thought she was at fault, there was a thread on here and the stuff people were posting in there was shocking yet enlightening at the same time.
 

Kevin T

Hall of Fame
Everyone knows that 'Jocks' is and always will be the ultimate tennis movie. A young Mariska Hargitay. Richard Roundtree. Christopher Lee of LOTR Saruman and Star Wars Count Dooku fame! And Ogre from Revenge of the Nerds. Not even close!
 

Zetty

Hall of Fame
For those bizarrely claiming the movie is the "whole story" of Richard, you desperately need to educate yourself. What about the first family he abandoned? Listen to what his daughter says:

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/4129550/serena-williams-half-sister-blasts-king-richard-film/
Right I remember this, that's why the concept of this movie at all struck me. Not that there aren't biopics where a subject is painted as complicated because no one's perfect. But it certainly doesn't look like they attempted to do that in this movie.
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
Does the movie include his comment directed at Irina Spirlea?
I doubt it. It was inappropriate and it wasn't PC. Pretty sure they also don't have the shoulder clip that started it all, either.

Speaking of inappropriate, somehow since I've started watching tennis, that's one of the few shoulder bumps I've seen. Are you suggesting tennis should be a contact sport @jon70?
 
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topher

Hall of Fame
I doubt it. It was inappropriate and it wasn't PC. Pretty sure they also don't have the shoulder clip that started it all, either.

Speaking of inappropriate, somehow since I've started watching tennis, that's one of the few shoulder bumps I've seen. Are you suggesting tennis should be a contact sport @jon70?
I guess Uncle Toni would’ve been justified in calling Rosol a racial-based insult? Didn’t realize shoulder bumps were get out of jail free cards for racism. What a loophole lol

Speaking of not PC, did they not include any of the racial prejudice the Williams experienced in the movie?
 

Aabye5

Hall of Fame
I guess Uncle Toni would’ve been justified in calling Rosol a racial-based insult? Didn’t realize shoulder bumps were get out of jail free cards for racism. What a loophole lol

Speaking of not PC, did they not include any of the racial prejudice the Williams experienced in the movie?
And Spirlea cursed out Venus in her off-court interview. Is that right? No one should be called a racial slur, but you also shouldn't be hitting people, and you shouldn't be cursing people out either.

Two wrongs don't make it right, but Spirlea is hardly a victim in this case. She made trouble, she crossed a line in the interview, and Richard Williams made the situation 10 times worse by his comments.
 

topher

Hall of Fame
And Spirlea cursed out Venus in her off-court interview. Is that right? No one should be called a racial slur, but you also shouldn't be hitting people, and you shouldn't be cursing people out either.

Two wrongs don't make it right, but Spirlea is hardly a victim in this case. She made trouble, she crossed a line in the interview, and Richard Williams made the situation 10 times worse by his comments.
Excluding it because it’s not part of the story they want to tell I get, but your initial reasoning made no sense. Excluding it cause it’s not PC? I doubt they would’ve excluded the insult had it been directed the other direction.

To harp on the shoulder bump like it excuses the bigotry is nonsense as well. Shoulder bumps do happen, they should never result in that kind of insult.

This is a movie about a person, I think we’re free, even right, to point out that person is not the saint the movie mostly sells them as.
 
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