Kirschbaum premium synthetic gut/Volkl synthetic gut

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  1. Matchball

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    Has anybody tried these synthetic gut strings?

    I am using pro supex titan, it's quite soft but too neutral, currently looking for
    something more "premium" for hybrid string jobs.

    I hope I can find something better and I would expect Kirschbaums and the new Volkl offering to be better (?)
     
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  2. ccelis

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    Very curious myself. Hopefully someone has tried it. I get the impression it's a powerfull string.
     
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  3. Matchball

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    I mostly want it for hybrids.

    Too much power is not ideal, I 'd expect a synthetic gut used in a hybrid string job to add "feel", without sacrificing spin and control.

    I almost always do hybrids. Pro supex titan is not bad, it's just not perfect, feels a little dull... Maybe I am just searching for something crispier, but not like Prince synthetic gut.

    Volkl synthetic gut is new, not many must have used it. Not a clue about Kirschbaum premium synthetic gut either.
     
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  4. maxpotapov

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    Here's the review I found on stringforum website:
    Now I'm curious about Basic Profi Tour,
    http://www.kirschbaumusa.com/products/view/basicprofitour
    Has anybody tried this?
     
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  5. Schwelli

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    i think the synthetic gut premium replaces the basic profi tour so profi tour will not be available anymore soon.
     
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  6. maxpotapov

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    OK, now I see it is an older model. Question remains, how good is Kirschbaum Premium Syn Gut compared to Gosen OGSM, which is twice cheaper...
     
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  7. Peppershaker

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    Was looking for a spool of black Syn Gut for a local High School player who uses a hybrid of Gamma 16&17 SG on his racquet. He chews thru strings in 2-3 weeks top, but his parents want him to stay away from Poly for awhile yet. I only charge HS players but figured I'd try and find a replacement string that I could purchase as a spool to drive their costs down further. Purchased the K Prem SG in a spool since it's not avail in packs to try, went with the Premium figuring it would be close.............wasn't. Could tell as I was stringing that the string seemed softer, and possibly even lighter (didn't check this) and it didn't last even a couple of days for the kid.

    Since I had a spool figured I'd try it in my racquet, first impression was it'll be cut out that night at my usual tension of 63 lbs seemed mushy, soft and didn't seem to provide much control. Ended up leaving it in have used it twice since have decided I'll try it as a hybrid in crosses but mains not...

    Resided to purchasing Gamma Black Syn Gut in packs.......hate the wasted string.
     
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  8. maxpotapov

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    Thanks for the detailed account of your experience, saved me some money! :)
    Mushy and soft and not much control at 63 lbs hmm... :???: And did not last a couple days for the kid... Sometimes my Gosen OGSM crosses last longer, than Polylon mains. Even though they thin out they just refuse to break.
    I guess I will have to look for something more premium than Gosen OGSM elsewhere :confused:
     
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  9. Steve Huff

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    I have a reel of the Kirshbaum Syn 16. I really like it. It may become my main Synthetic Gut. It strings up easily too. Almost feels like a multi going in, except it doesn't stretch that much. Durability has been good for those I've strung it for too.
     
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  10. Peppershaker

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    Steve do you have the regular SG or the Premium? The Premium does string like a multi, definately doesn't feel or play like any SG I've ever used (Gamma, Prince, or Gosen), wondering if I should have gone with the basic SG.
     
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  11. TennisCJC

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    If you want a premium syn gut (mono with one or 2 wraps), try the syn gut version of tnt2. It is a very good string but expensive for a syn gut at $10 a pack. Personally, this is too expensive.

    If you are going to play this string as a cross in a hybrid, you might want to try alphagut 2000 with is a multi but it plays crisp like a syn gut. It is $5.90 a set but I have never seen a reel.
     
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  12. maxpotapov

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    As for me, I am a chronic string breaker, I need something soft and durable to cross with softer poly. People are telling me that I should go with Forten Sweet 16 Gold, much cheaper than TNT2 and probably more durable than Alphagut 2000.
     
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  13. Steve Huff

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    Actually, I think I have the regular synthetic. It still has a soft feel with a polyurethane feeling coating. Definitely wasn't $10/set.
     
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  14. Peppershaker

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    May end up eating my words........may have been my arm or the day but picked out my racquet strung with the K premium syn gut and it felt a lot better. Can't imagine it was due to breaking in because I've never liked looser tensioned string.

    Right now leaving it in my racquet to see how it wears. Have my primary racquet about in the need of restringing may go ahead with the K once again.

    Have some analytical scales at work, going to cut off a fixed length of various syn guts of the same gauge to see if there is a weight difference. Far from scientific since manu. tolerances come into play but I'm curious.
     
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  15. sy646

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    Have you tried the Forten Sweet 16 Gold as the cross on your racquet? How is it?
     
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  16. maxpotapov

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    Not yet, sorry
    I think this is my next reel to order, even though I'm still keeping my eye on this thread. We'll see what Peppershaker finds out about Kirschbaum Premium Syn Gut durability and performance
     
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  17. fjcamry

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    I'm interested in kirschbaum premium synthetic gut. Any new developments ? I'm trying to decide on the kirschbaum synthetic gut or the premium synthetic gut.


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  18. fuzz nation

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    Sorry, no experience with their premium syn. gut at this point, but I've been using reels of Kirschbaum's standard syn. gut for a little while and it's been fine for me in full beds. I've been rather partial to 17 ga. syn. gut for quite a long time and that's primarily what I've been using in my own gear, but I also got a reel of the 16 ga. in my last order. As nicely as the standard stuff has worked for me, I've had no motivation to pay more for the premium version. I may get some in the spring when I start stringing much more than right now - we shall see.

    I'd expect the 16 ga. K-baum syn. gut to work great as a cross in a poly hybrid, but my go-to string for that application for quite a while has been Gosen OGSM. In a full bed, the Gosen can play just a little more firm and "thuddy" feeling than I like, but its durability and general performance in a hybrid has been quite good.

    Perhaps my all-time favorite syn. gut has been Tecnifibre, but that string hasn't been available at TW for a while. I've decided to stay loyal for now and the K-baum syn. gut has given me very solid bang for my buck. If you're trying to decide on a reel, I'd expect the regular syn. gut to work fine. I guess if you don't like it, you could sell me what's left and get something different.
     
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  19. fjcamry

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    How about using the 17g kirschbaum syn gut in a hybrid with the kirschbaum proline X 17g in the main ?

    Because I would need a 17g in syn gut for the full bed and do not want to waste any if also have kirschbaum proline x 17g for a hybrid .

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  20. Muppet

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    Using a synthetic that's a gauge thicker than the poly will give you more control.
     
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  21. fjcamry

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    How about using the kirschbaum proline X 17L (1.20) mains and kirschbaum syn gut 17g (1.25) in crosses ?

    Or is that why it's the 16g syn gut used in crosses and perhaps a poly 17g used in the mains ?

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  22. Muppet

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    Depends on how easily you break strings and how open your string pattern is. I have 95" 18x20 racquets and I don't break strings, so I go even thinner than that (see signature below). If you have 98" 16x19 or more open, start with 17g poly in the mains. For syngut crosses, go up a gauge from there. For a multi cross, go up one or two gauges. And go down 2 lbs. overall from your 17L tensions.
     
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  23. fjcamry

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    I have 4 racquets : head youtek speed pro 18x20 and I have experience stringing my first racquet with my main setup a 16 gauge kirschbaum plx full bed at 53 lbs.

    In my full bed of co-poly I have my mains with the co-poly kirschbaum plx 17L usually at 53lbs. In the hybrid what do I set the tension on the mains? If I plan to use the syn gut 17g crosses ( originally I was going to set at 57lbs) what tension do I set these at ?

    I might also try having the syn gut 17g in the mains at 57lbs and have the copoly 17L in the crosses at 53 lbs.

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  24. Muppet

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    I would go with 53/56 for PLX 17L/syngut 17. Syngut/poly will vibrate a little more. Maybe try a softer/deader/more muted poly for the cross string. 57/53 should be good.
     
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  25. JohnBPittsburgh

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    Kirschbaum Syn gut, low powered, kind of mushy, behaves like a basic nylon, I use it for people who say they don't care what string I put in :) (comes in 17 gauge, which is nice) I feel like you lose the ball on the strings (having no feel or very little)

    Kirschbaum Premium Syn Gut, Waaaayyyyy more playable, better feel, soft, medium powered, plays/feels like a multi, reminds me of Gosen OG Sheep Micro, but I like Kirschbaum a little bit more. If you can find it for a good price, grab it :) I want to say I paid around $40-$45 a reel, which to me, isn't bad at all for a very playable string. It is now become my "base" for testing racquets. It has very good feel compared to the vagueness of the basic syn gut.
     
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  26. fjcamry

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    I have ordered the regular synthetic gut 17g and the seller is saying that it's 99% the same as the premium synthetic gut except for the price . It's a no return policy but I will occur a 20% restocking fee plus PayPal fees with the purchase . I'm going to use the regular synthetic gut strings if that's ok with everyone.


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  27. fjcamry

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    On the kirschbaum proline ll 17g (1.25) and syn gut 17g (1.25) hybrid , the 17g was sent in my poly strings instead of 17L (1.20) . Can I use this setup as syn gut main and poly crosses ?


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  28. Muppet

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    For nylon/poly hybrid you can have the gauges anywhere from equal to one or two gauges thicker.
     
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  29. Allcourtguy

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    I am currently trying HyperG / Volkl Classic Synthetic Gut in my DR98 and am loving it. Loved a full bed of HyperG but was looking for a little more pace in defensive situations and that is exactly what I am getting. I am still getting the great spin I was getting from a full bed of HyperG and am able to easily use that to control the increase in power. More serves are not being returned and my returns have improved with the added pace.

    Can't speak to it's relative power level as I haven't used other synthetic guts.

    At this point I have had 3 hard hitting sessions and have very little fraying and denting in the crosses.

    BTW-- I am using the 17g in natural color.
     
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  30. fjcamry

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    That's fine with my 17g syn gut mains and 17L (1.20) plx co poly crosses. What if I have the 17g (1.25) PL ll in the crosses ? The PL ll is a more elastic co poly with pocketing.


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  31. fjcamry

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    I read this as the syn gut mains being ok in equal to or smaller than the gauge in co poly crosses ? Then the 17g in both is ok? I also have as 17g syngut main / 17L co poly crosses where I'm using a smaller (1.20) for co poly crosses .


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  32. Muppet

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    I would go even gauges to +1 gauge for the mains in nylon/poly hybrid.
    I would go +1 gauge to +2 gauge nylon crosses in poly/nylon hybrid.
     
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  33. JohnBPittsburgh

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    That is fine with me :) I was just trying to share my experience! I don't care what anyone puts in their racquets, just what goes into mine :p Just keep playing this amazing sport!!
     
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  34. fjcamry

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    There's a PL ll 17l (1.20) and 18(1.15) . Is the 17g syn gut a +1 or a +2 with the 18(1.15) co poly crosses ?


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  35. Muppet

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    I don't hybrid syngut/poly, usually poly/multi. But 1 gauge thicker for the softer string should work for most hybrids. At the very least, it's a good starting point.
     
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  36. fjcamry

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    The plx 17l (1.20) is the thinnest gauge in plx line and I want to put it in the mains with 17g syn gut crosses after trying the plx in the crosses and syngut in mains. The pl ll 17g is better in the crosses with syn gut in mains imo because it has pocketing which plx does not . Plx is crisp / control where pl ll is power / dynamic .


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