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I have tried Scorpion and it was my favorite to put in a hybrid setup as the cross with VS mains until SPPP came along. I will be getting a set of PL2 17 gauge so I am going to give this string a shot to see how well it plays.
I have been using the Proline II for 8 or 9 months now on my K90's. I played around with MSV focus Hex, which gives me more spin, but less pocketing. Something about the Proline II -- it helps me hit a cleaner 1HBH. I love it at net too. With slice shots (if you're coming from any poly with tooth on it) you really need to get the shot way out front and exaggerate the motion and it does what you need it to do. That's the one thing that I find is easier with the MSV or ALU Rough for that matter. I set mine up at 58lbs...and it drops and settles at 53 by the end of the week. I usually add string savers after the first day of play which brings it up a half a pound or so depending on how many I put in.
Just ordered the Evolution's - curious to see how they compare.
Guessing by your post you play Proline II throughout the whole stringbed. Have you ever tried it in a hybrid set up because I am curious to see how it feels. Also please let me what you think of the Proline Evolution as well because I am considering trying those strings out.
Yeah, I have three K90's and I've tried it with various hybrid's of PLII. For me, the full bed same gauge was always the best. I've even tried it mixed with different gauges of itself (1.25 mains / 1.20 crosses, 1.20 m x 1.15 crosses) and for some reason it didn't jive the same way when it's full bed. That said I've only ever done 1.25 as a full bed of PLII (not the other gauges). But I get this really great feeling (help) on my 1HBH that enables me to swing out almost as if the racquet has a touch more flex only on my backhand...it's weird, but it's helped me quite a bit. To me this has been the best benefit. I will say on a stiffer racquet like the K90, it's tough for me to go above 58. When I do, I start to feel it in my shoulder on serve (old injury which has been improving)....so 58 is good for me. Once it drops I don't feel any issues with my shoulder. So while it is a co-poly and is talked up as being softer than traditional poly's, it's still a poly and if you have an injury you still need to be careful especially if you have fast full swings.
I'll report back on the new blue Evolution once I try it out. I'll have a K90 with PLII in it to compare it to.
No. Evolution is better
Any specific reason as to why Evolution is better?
fedace,
have you played the evolution or do you just say it's better because the producer claims it's better?
The Kirschbaum Pro Line Evolution is a softer feeling polyester string that offers great ball pocketing and access to spin. Because the string is pre-stretched, it mains tension better than other, more traditional polyesters. Similar to that of the Pro Line II, this string is 10% lighter, providing more power and spin.
So do you know this as a fact because you have play tested it? Seems to me you are just repeating the information tennis warehouse has posted about the string, no offense.
I am play testing it Soon. I spoke with the Kirschbaum USA rep. There is only one guy in the entire country and he only sells thru Tennis Warehouse. but i am getting some T-shirts from him. Kirsch makes great T-shirt. he tells me that Evolution is definite improvement over Proline 2. and proline 2 was already premium stuff. so this has to be something special.
i played the pro line 2 in 1.25 and 1.20mm and while the initial performance is really top notch, the strings died at around 7 resp. 6 hours and became non-controllable rocketlaunchers. i much more enjoyed the 1.20 (one of my references) and the 1.25mm kirschbaum competition, which kept going until the last stroke. the small difference in price is the "best" investment in my opinion. the competitions plays a tad less soft but are superior in any of the other criteria.
would be interesting to see how the evolution compares to this "benchmark" string. since i'm trying to work myself through the pile of structured strings i have acquired, i don't see any possibility for me any time soon to give it a run though.
my top 3 favourites so far for the mains are (in order) mantis power polyester 1.25, polyfibre black venom rough 1.25 and kirschbaum competition 1.20. the mantis is also the cheapest (not by much though), while the polyfibre and the competition cost roughly the same.
the polyfibre has a much higher stabilisation loss which has to be taken into account when stringing, but then, at least in my time window (roughly 10 hitting hours, usually over two weeks) it keeps up pretty well. if you don't go slightly higher (1-2lbs) on the polyfibre, you will have MUCH less control than with the other two and would be tempted to dump the string, but going slightly higher is paying off. i assume that those 1-2lbs i am talking about have to be more if you string tighter anyway - i do my mains around 46lbs and the crosses around 44 usually, so that's where the 1-2lbs apply. at 50-52lbs probably you should be going like 3lbs higher.
i played the 1.20 full bed and my shoulder did not really like it - which does not mean that it is stiff, i just got a shoulder problem which makes me too sensitive. this is the main reason why i play 90% of the times in hybrids. as a hybrid i had no issue with it whatsoever!
at the time i played these strings i was playing as cross strings the wilson sensation 1.25mm. i have switched in the mean time to the mantis power syn and now again to the mantis comfort syn, which i really love (gives incredible touch to the stringbed with most of the polys, even the stiff ones! like adrenaline). i haven't played the pro lines with these crosses though, but i doubt it would change much regarding the "going dead" of the string.
Well my question is how the Proline II feels in a hybrid setup compared to a stiffer poly like Tour Bite or Big Banger Rough. Does it feel like a full bed of synthetic gut or does it still the crisp poly feel?
It has a softer feel obviously, but feels very clean or pure not mushy or harsh. With a multi it feels great and has more power than the stiffer poly's even in a hybrid...
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control
If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.
I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly
Pro Line II seems to have everything I have been looking for - Comfort, Durability, Tension Maintenance, Mix of Power & Control
If you have hit with Pro Line II and have found another Poly that is better, please tell me which string you prefer and why.
I am currently playing Pro Line II 1.25 - I think it's the perfect poly
PL2.......My favorite poly to use in hybrid with any syngut, I have always had plenty of spin power and control when using this combo, though I will say in a ful bed there are better polys. personally SPPP is my favorite full bed, but doesnt come close to the hybrid set up
Well my question is how the Proline II feels in a hybrid setup compared to a stiffer poly like Tour Bite or Big Banger Rough. Does it feel like a full bed of synthetic gut or does it still the crisp poly feel?
I used this string a lot as a blend and full bed. It is good for sure. I blend now and I’ve been using synthetic gut and poly (Luxillon rough) like Federer uses. I find that I need help with power and I can’t create power like I used to even though I still hit fairly hard, but I don’t want to have to do it all myself. If anyone has recommendations as to how to get a more powerful string let me know. I play with a Wilson Pro Staff 97 which isn’t a very powerful racket
Hi I'm interested in knowing your poly/synth gut hybrid. Which one for main and which for cross and what tension.
I have like 3 1/2 sets of proline 2 but I have always hybrid it with another stiff poly. NOt exactly a comfortable and powerful set up.
I will also add that full pl2 in the 17g is nice in there as well. I thought the tight pattern would not be comfortable with full poly in it but really nice.
The mg mid was too tight for me and full pl2 A hybrid worked better for me in that one.
It is perfect. (Not really, but it's perfect for me.)
I've had a Pro Line II 1.25 X Pacific Tough Gut 17 in my prestiges for about two months - it's maybe 3-5 pounds looser than when i strung it, and you can feel that bit of tension loss, but it still certainly doesn't feel dead. I'm not playing that often at the moment (which explains why the strings haven't broken), but yeah, the tension maintenance far surpasses any other poly I've ever used, with the exception of Kirschbaum Competition, which is a pretty similar string.