KLIP Legend Tour Natural Gut vs Babolat VS Touch?

#1
Being prone to arm issues, I'm looking at switching to full bed of gut to soften up the blow to my arm a bit. Long story short, I've been playing tennis for 25+ years, had an NCAA scholarship, and now do the occasional USTA stuff at the 4.0-5.0 level. I had no issues until about 8 years ago when I developed a chronic joint disorder, which leads to more injuries. Now my one-handed top spin backhand has caused issues here and there. I'm not saying my form is perfect, but that's not really the issue, it's more medical. Anyway, I have not hit with either of these, but am wondering if anyone had experience?

I'm curious how they compare:

1) Durability?
2) Power?
3) Comfort?
4) I realize this is player specific, but I'm curious how much of a difference I'd see in the above between 16 and 17 gauges? Is there really that much more power with 17? Is durability 20% less, or 50% less? Just curious about others experience. I know NG in general is not as durable, but I wonder if a 17g NG will only get me a couple hours of play, or 6+. I can typically get a good 15+ hours with a 16g multifilament like Gamma Livewire XP.
 
#2
I use the Klip Legend 15L. For 1, it's cheaper. 2) It's comes in 15L, which I find is more durable than the the 16g natural guts. Power--I'm not sure, but the VS is a little softer. Comfort--I'd say both are extremely comfortable. I'm not exactly comparing apples to apples here as I have only used 15L Klip and 16g VS.
 

McLovin

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#3
If those are your only two choices, then I'd say go w/ the Legend Tour. I am not a fan of the new VS (Team or Touch). It just doesn't feel...right. Luxilon Gut is actually really good, better than VS IMO, but its still on the pricey side. Pacific Classic is probably your best feeling Gut for the price, but good luck finding any. Its always on backorder.

As far as gauge, I'd ask a few questions first:
  • Are you going full bed, or gut/poly?
  • What's your playing style? Heavy topspin? Flat? Serve & volley?
  • What frame are you using? String pattern?
  • What surfaces do you play on?
  • What conditions? (e.g., humid? dry? cold?)
All of those will affect the durability of the gut. For example, I do a gut/poly hybrid using 17g gut (normally Pacific or Lux) and 1.25mm poly (Yonex) at 54/52 in a Fischer Black Granite Pro No 1 (16x20 pattern). I can play 16-18 hours of 4.5 level singles indoors and not be close to breaking a string. But then I go to southwest Florida on vacation, play outside on hartru, and in 2 matches I'm popping strings.

Personally I like 17g gut as it seems to provide slightly better feel. Spin & power difference is negligible, although I haven't used 16g in a while.

Also, if going full bed, I'd highly recommend getting a pack of Babolat ElastoCross:

Put a box pattern around the sweet spot, maybe skipping every other cross/main. They will help the gut last longer, and wont affect playability.
 
#4
As far as gauge, I'd ask a few questions first:
  • Are you going full bed, or gut/poly?
  • What's your playing style? Heavy topspin? Flat? Serve & volley?
  • What frame are you using? String pattern?
  • What surfaces do you play on?
  • What conditions? (e.g., humid? dry? cold?)
  • Are you going full bed, or gut/poly? Full bed only. No poly because of joint problems.
  • What's your playing style? Heavy topspin? Flat? Serve & volley? I'd say topspin'ish. I do have more topspin than a strict eastern forehand flat-baller, but I'm not hitting big heavy arch's like I've seen with some players. Probably more of a Federer style than a Nadal style, although my forehand is semi-western and stance is slightly open. I'm not a serve & volley player per se, but I do play a decent amount of doubles these days, so volleys are more frequent. I'd say I have a pretty well rounded all court game. I love short cross-court winners with lots of top, but also enjoy flat balls down the line for a put away.
  • What frame are you using? String pattern? Volkl V-Sense V1 Pro w/ 16 by 19. Pretty open and spin friendly.
  • What surfaces do you play on? 90% hardcourt w/ a few matches a year on hartru..., not many though.
  • What conditions? (e.g., humid? dry? cold?) Maryland/Washington DC so humid in the summer, as it's basically a big swamp (no, that's not a euphemism for our current political climate lol) and rest of years (like now) aren't bad.
 

McLovin

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#5
  • Are you going full bed, or gut/poly? Full bed only. No poly because of joint problems.
  • What's your playing style? Heavy topspin? Flat? Serve & volley? I'd say topspin'ish. I do have more topspin than a strict eastern forehand flat-baller, but I'm not hitting big heavy arch's like I've seen with some players. Probably more of a Federer style than a Nadal style, although my forehand is semi-western and stance is slightly open. I'm not a serve & volley player per se, but I do play a decent amount of doubles these days, so volleys are more frequent. I'd say I have a pretty well rounded all court game. I love short cross-court winners with lots of top, but also enjoy flat balls down the line for a put away.
  • What frame are you using? String pattern? Volkl V-Sense V1 Pro w/ 16 by 19. Pretty open and spin friendly.
  • What surfaces do you play on? 90% hardcourt w/ a few matches a year on hartru..., not many though.
  • What conditions? (e.g., humid? dry? cold?) Maryland/Washington DC so humid in the summer, as it's basically a big swamp (no, that's not a euphemism for our current political climate lol) and rest of years (like now) aren't bad.
Ah, you're in my neck of the woods (Northern VA). So, I'd suggest you start w/ 16g and see how it lasts. If you get a decent amount of time w/ it throw in some 17g (along w/ some of those ElastoCross) and see how it plays/lasts.

Have you ever used full bed of gut before? If not, while I don't like changing too many things at once, I'd recommend bumping up your tension a few lbs. In addition to reigning in some fo the power, gut is one of those strings that actually feels better at higher tensions. Sounds like you're also in my age range, so stringing at 65lbs shouldn't be such an anomaly to you...
 
#6
Ah, you're in my neck of the woods (Northern VA). So, I'd suggest you start w/ 16g and see how it lasts. If you get a decent amount of time w/ it throw in some 17g (along w/ some of those ElastoCross) and see how it plays/lasts.

Have you ever used full bed of gut before? If not, while I don't like changing too many things at once, I'd recommend bumping up your tension a few lbs. In addition to reigning in some fo the power, gut is one of those strings that actually feels better at higher tensions. Sounds like you're also in my age range, so stringing at 65lbs shouldn't be such an anomaly to you...
16G string and 17G string play much different and have different characteristics. 17G is a bit softer which might help in his situation. If he can't control the power/launch angle he should then move to 16G.
 
#7
Steve is correct on his comments above. VS is a little softer hit, but I string the Klip (uncoated) ,a couple lbs. lower is all, and they hit very similar. Both very comfortable. I used both in 16g.
The uncoated hits real nice, reminds me of the old Victor Imperial Gut of years ago.Even uncoated durability is still decent.The price makes it even more desirable.
 
#8
I really think we’re splitting hairs with natural gut. It’s a natural material, and while there are differences, I think they will be minimal compared to man made materials like the copolys and multis.
I go with klip because of the price. It’s the same cost as premium multis and they don’t come close IMHO
 
#11
Love natural gut - have for decades - found KLip legend stiff and not responsive compared to VS in the past, pre BT7. I tried to play the Legend, and just not lively for me.The KLip uncoated, from what I have heard, sounds like a return to softer, more feel natural gut...
My preference , I play a smaller and softer frame, would be find some Wilson natural gut in the white foil package - very nice , but needs a few pounds extra tension to stiffen up the soft feel But that's fine with me. Great feel and dynamic.
Or , get lucky, and find some recent VS, years before BT7, and you will be rewarded. Very lively, little coating, naturally dynamic...
Unfortunately, the new guts, like the larger frames and the hybrid jobs, are getting stiffer and deader for longevity and hybrid jobs...
This is not for the good...
 
#13
If those are your only two choices, then I'd say go w/ the Legend Tour. I am not a fan of the new VS (Team or Touch). It just doesn't feel...right. Luxilon Gut is actually really good, better than VS IMO, but its still on the pricey side. Pacific Classic is probably your best feeling Gut for the price, but good luck finding any. Its always on backorder.

As far as gauge, I'd ask a few questions first:
  • Are you going full bed, or gut/poly?
  • What's your playing style? Heavy topspin? Flat? Serve & volley?
  • What frame are you using? String pattern?
  • What surfaces do you play on?
  • What conditions? (e.g., humid? dry? cold?)
All of those will affect the durability of the gut. For example, I do a gut/poly hybrid using 17g gut (normally Pacific or Lux) and 1.25mm poly (Yonex) at 54/52 in a Fischer Black Granite Pro No 1 (16x20 pattern). I can play 16-18 hours of 4.5 level singles indoors and not be close to breaking a string. But then I go to southwest Florida on vacation, play outside on hartru, and in 2 matches I'm popping strings.

Personally I like 17g gut as it seems to provide slightly better feel. Spin & power difference is negligible, although I haven't used 16g in a while.

Also, if going full bed, I'd highly recommend getting a pack of Babolat ElastoCross:

Put a box pattern around the sweet spot, maybe skipping every other cross/main. They will help the gut last longer, and wont affect playability.
Hi Mc...I use Lux NG 17/ZXPro17 at around 57/55...I never used NG in a full bed...I'm getting ready to string my new Tecnifibre TFlash 285 PS Which do you think is better for Power? Comfort? Spin?...I don't care about durability
 
#14
I've only tried afew packs of VS Touch/Team but a lot of Klip uncoated/coated and in different gauges. I echo the same as other posters in terms of playability. Would say VS is a bit softer, abit more powerful. However, in terms of durability, I find that the few packs of VS all lasted around the same duration (about 15hr) whereas the Klip legend can break unpredictably. For example my Klip uncoated 17g lasted 15hrs, but my 16g coated lasted 4hrs and they broke right in the middle too so it wasn't a shank. Klip could look perfectly fine one minute and the next minute the gut fibres look all twisted and about to break. That's just my experience
 
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