Knees Over Toes Guy?

Space_D

Rookie
Been seeing him a lot recently. Recommended to me by a friend who's had recent knee/foot issues. Anyone else try this out?
 

nochuola

Rookie
As always, a disclaimer: I am not a doctor or physical therapist so this is just my opinion. I think his methodology and theories makes logical sense. However, like he says himself, they are mostly hypothesis that are sort of the next logical progression developed from current proven principles, but there have been very little study and test on his ideas, therefore, his evidences are currently mostly anecdotal (he is very transparent about this). I have been integrating his advices into my training, but I don't have any chronic knee pain to magically get relieved so I can't confirm or disprove some people's claim of instant improvement, and it also haven't been long enough for me to draw any useful conclusions from my progress.
I really appreciate the fact that he doesn't try to hide key information to make people pay for his programs. If you are relatively experienced and knowledgeable in fitness, you can probably piece together his entire paid program from his free videos.
My biggest scepticism comes from the fact that he seems to get almost 100% praise and no criticism even in the toxic culture of YouTube fitness (I mean just look at how many negative comments are under even the largest tennis youtube channels' videos). The fitness industry, especially on social media, is usually extremely tribal and would often relentlessly attack anyone who advocates for anything other than the regular "bro science" (you know, no pain no gain, anabolic window...that sort of stuff). I just find it slightly odd that no one seem to be making videos titled "KOT guy is a fraud that will kill your gains" when NOT squatting knees over toes is like rule 2 in the bro science book, and attacking his rapidly growing channel would've been quick and easy exposure. His youtube videos are also quite repetitive, and I would've expected some dedicated trolls complaining about how he is just milking the same content.
All that being said, one of his biggest principles is to train at the highest pain-free intensity that suits the individual, and to never train through pain. If you follow that advice, I see no downside in trying his system out for yourself. Worst case is you stay the same
 

cha cha

Professional
I do not know this particular clickbait nonsense but I was able to squat 400+ back in my day and I had been squatting with religiously strict form (starting with hips back, never crossing the toes) until the corona hit. I have now been left stranded at home with no reasonable weights for months and testing various ways of making bodyweight exercises challenging including the sissy variations.
My knees have been hurting from overuse pretty much for 15 years now, and the squatting form has had very little impact on this issue. Knees over toes or not, your knees will only be as strong as the balance between the quads and the hams and only hurting as fairly as you treat them. No amount of squatting can heal my hurting knees if I play volleyball 3 times a week and tennis just as much.
So my advice is simple. Exercise with good form, consistency and balance in terms of muscles involved. Do not overthink it. The type of exercise does not make nearly as much difference as these internet physios try to make us believe.
 

Space_D

Rookie
As always, a disclaimer: I am not a doctor or physical therapist so this is just my opinion. I think his methodology and theories makes logical sense. However, like he says himself, they are mostly hypothesis that are sort of the next logical progression developed from current proven principles, but there have been very little study and test on his ideas, therefore, his evidences are currently mostly anecdotal (he is very transparent about this). I have been integrating his advices into my training, but I don't have any chronic knee pain to magically get relieved so I can't confirm or disprove some people's claim of instant improvement, and it also haven't been long enough for me to draw any useful conclusions from my progress.
I really appreciate the fact that he doesn't try to hide key information to make people pay for his programs. If you are relatively experienced and knowledgeable in fitness, you can probably piece together his entire paid program from his free videos.
My biggest scepticism comes from the fact that he seems to get almost 100% praise and no criticism even in the toxic culture of YouTube fitness (I mean just look at how many negative comments are under even the largest tennis youtube channels' videos). The fitness industry, especially on social media, is usually extremely tribal and would often relentlessly attack anyone who advocates for anything other than the regular "bro science" (you know, no pain no gain, anabolic window...that sort of stuff). I just find it slightly odd that no one seem to be making videos titled "KOT guy is a fraud that will kill your gains" when NOT squatting knees over toes is like rule 2 in the bro science book, and attacking his rapidly growing channel would've been quick and easy exposure. His youtube videos are also quite repetitive, and I would've expected some dedicated trolls complaining about how he is just milking the same content.
All that being said, one of his biggest principles is to train at the highest pain-free intensity that suits the individual, and to never train through pain. If you follow that advice, I see no downside in trying his system out for yourself. Worst case is you stay the same
Yeah pretty much agree with everything you say. The lack of any negative feedback or constructive criticism about it definitely has me skeptical. I don't have any major knee issues but was thinking I may integrate some of his stuff into some stretching routines.
 

puppybutts

Semi-Pro
i don't like how difficult it is to find out where he gets his knowledge and credentials from. his whole bio is meaningless anecdotes and statements that he says are documented (like his under 20-inch vertical to over 40-inch vertical claim that supposedly no one else has ever achieved...he says it's documented but where is the documentation? if it exists, he sure makes it hard to find). his site has a few research article links that are findable and accessible by the general public, but otherwise everything he says has no proof behind it. his whole company team is him, a business COO, a communications guy, a customer service woman, an app developer...i.e. all MARKETING people, not a single doctor, physical therapist, trainer, or anyone with formal training. oh and a few "basketball specialists", whatever the hell that is. he reminds of all the fitness youtubers who never went to school for real credentials, and instead pull one liners from free research articles online to appear credentialed, even if they use the line out of context, don't even read the entire paper, or ignore the paper's disclaimers and limitations, and otherwise have no understanding of how research works. his whole website feels like every young fake-it-till-you-make-it startup.

all that being said, you'll probably benefit from the program, just as you would by buddying up with someone more knowledgeable than you and dedicating yourself to training for several weeks and months. i'm sure he's more knowledgeable than the average person. personally i just don't feel good about paying more than what a physical gym membership costs...for an online course from a guy who makes it real difficult to find out where he gets his knowledge from. but value is subjective. some people never pay for any program or class saying they can manage on their own for free, and then never do anything.
 
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I used to have knee bursitis flare-ups until I started squatting exclusively with a safety squat bar. I use the EliteFTS one and go ass-to-grass, max of 245 lbs. at BW 160. I also use a hex bar for deadlifts exclusively and do romanian deadlifts with a straight bar with low loads to help develop the hamstrings, since both the SSB and hex bar are more quad-dominant than standard squats or deadlifts. That said, I find them more balanced.

My quad flexibility is through the roof after 3 years of SSB use. I can pull each heel into my glutes (quad mobility test), and also can get down into a full catcher's squat (ass on my heels) in the grocery store without a warmup, and I am NOT naturally flexible or mobile in most ways. YMMV, but as much as squats and deadlifts can be helpful for avoiding lower-body joint pain, I think the new developments in barbell tech are significant.
 

W.O.A.T

New User
I just googled Knees over toes guy tennis to see if any other tennis players are following his workouts. I ended up here!

I am a couple of weeks into his knee ability zero plan. I've been teaching fitness classes (mainly TRX and Spin) for 20 years. I have had 3 medial menisus surgeries and my knee went pop back in April. I have not felt good enough to go back yet to tennis.

Starting to feel less pain walking and stair climbing. I love how the backwards walking makes the knee feel, tibialis raises and all the other stuff is having a good effect.

I am not totally convinced I will make it back, but the progress makes me feel there is a chance.

I will update going forward.
 

Quaichang

Rookie
I just googled Knees over toes guy tennis to see if any other tennis players are following his workouts. I ended up here!

I am a couple of weeks into his knee ability zero plan. I've been teaching fitness classes (mainly TRX and Spin) for 20 years. I have had 3 medial menisus surgeries and my knee went pop back in April. I have not felt good enough to go back yet to tennis.

Starting to feel less pain walking and stair climbing. I love how the backwards walking makes the knee feel, tibialis raises and all the other stuff is having a good effect.

I am not totally convinced I will make it back, but the progress makes me feel there is a chance.

I will update going forward.
Glad to hear you are getting some good early results with these exercises.
 
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