Korda, first American in a decade on European tour!

joohan

Hall of Fame
He was born and raised in Florida, he's totally American. Are Lendl and Navratilova not Americans just because they were born in Czechoslovakia? :unsure:
He is genetically 100% Czech rep (father born and bread in Prague, mother in Havlickuv Brod which is Czech-Moravian region) and his tennis was heavily (should be written in capital letters, really) influenced by Czech tennis so...yeah. If this is something to cheer for as an "American product" then excuse me while I laugh out loud.

Those two were not just born in Czechoslovakia, they were trained there as well. Lendl has become American when he was like 26, Navratilova around 25. Now don't get me wrong, I'm aware of what USA is basically built upon but to boast about people like these two as an American success? Really?
 
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Visionary

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He is genetically 100% Czech rep (father born and bread in Prague, mother in Havlickuv Brod which is Czech-Moravian region) and his tennis was heavily (should be written in capital letters, really) influenced by Czech tennis so...yeah. If this is something to cheer for as an "American product" then excuse me while I laugh out loud.
Do you realize how many Americans are not 100% Americans? Sebastian Korda was not only born in Florida but also trained there. So, how should he not be the American product? Oh, his dad, the Czech former pro, trained his son.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Do you realize how many Americans are not 100% Americans? Sebastian Korda was not only born in Florida but also trained there. So, how should he not be the American product? Oh, his dad, the Czech former pro, trained his son.
Knew this would be controversial but ok. I've stated I'm aware of how US works and everything so I'm not going to comment on this again.

The guy might be an American (high school, prom, the whole nine yards and whatever) but he's been in Prague at Sparta club slugging it out on clay with Stepanek and co every chance he's got, staying with his nana in some old Prague flat...chugging in proper Czech brew and eating knedlo-vepro-zelo to get some muscle (these are Stepanek's words from not so long ago...). So no, he's not a pure American tennis school product because he simply could not have been from the off. If this is the standard over the pond, fair enough...my mistake and lesson learned.
 

Visionary

Semi-Pro
Knew this would be controversial but ok. I've stated I'm aware of how US works and everything so I'm not going to comment on this again.

The guy might be an American (high school, prom, the whole nine yards and whatever) but he's been in Prague at Sparta club slugging it out on clay with Stepanek and co every chance he's got, staying with his nana in some old Prague flat...chugging in proper Czech brew and eating knedlo-vepro-zelo to get some muscle (these are Stepanek's words from not so long ago...). So no, he's not a pure American tennis school product because he simply could not have been from the off. If this is the standard over the pond, fair enough...my mistake and lesson learned.
Do you really think that this is just "controversial"? Tennis is an international sport and players choose their places of residence, courts for practice and coaches regardless nations/nationalities. If where you were born and raised does not matter, than what does?
 

albatros_forehand

Professional
Korda is American no doubt about that, even though heavily influenced by Czech tennis school! And with ties to Czech coaches and training partners (Stepanek). Now Lendl and Navratilova 100% Czechs who emigrated as adults, naturalized US citizens. Big difference there.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Do you really think that this is just "controversial"? Tennis is an international sport and players choose their places of residence, courts for practice and coaches regardless nations/nationalities. If where you were born and raised does not matter, than what does?
What matters is who has the biggest hand in your development. All I see that the Czech influence in his development is nothing short of essential...make of it what you want. Controversial or not.

"Just controversial"...come on man. Are we exchanging our diplomats or what? Stopping international trade? Stopping saving Nemo? Come on...
 

Visionary

Semi-Pro
What matters is who has the biggest hand in your development. All I see that the Czech influence in his development is nothing short of essential
So, forget where born and raised, and throw American birth cert and passport because of foreign influences (ok parents')? Extreme nationalism at work! Pro atheletes, watch out! If you don't train in your native countries, you are out!
 

Open Stance

Semi-Pro
As a tennis player, yes, you could say that Navratilova and Lendl and father Korda were Czech since they moved to the U.S. after they were famous tennis players. Son Sebastian Korda is 100% American, though.
Lendl, Navratilova an Petr Korda are 100% Americans as well. Americans by choice!
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
He is genetically 100% Czech rep (father born and bread in Prague, mother in Havlickuv Brod which is Czech-Moravian region) and his tennis was heavily (should be written in capital letters, really) influenced by Czech tennis so...yeah. If this is something to cheer for as an "American product" then excuse me while I laugh out loud.

Those two were not just born in Czechoslovakia, they were trained there as well...
Where the hell did I boast about Korda being an American or cheer on that aspect? I've never rooted for any player because they're American, I detest most American players, past and present. I I merely corrected you since Korda is an American. No point in debating it, it's fact. I think any random 3 year old can verify he's an American based on his speech alone, never mind being an American citizen and never living anywhere except in the States:

 

joohan

Hall of Fame
So, forget where born and raised, and throw American birth cert and passport because of foreign influences (ok parents')? Extreme nationalism at work! Pro atheletes, watch out! If you don't train in your native countries, you are out!
Out of proportion. Never mind. Funny what one simple remark can trigger.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Where the hell did I boast about Korda being an American or cheer on that aspect? I've never rooted for any player because they're American, I detest most American players, past and present. I I merely corrected you since Korda is an American. No point in debating it, it's fact. I think any random 3 year old can verify he's an American based on his speech alone:

Way to take things personally, kudos. He is an American...I guess. (that's my original statement that started off this...debate). I guess he really is. Based on my speech alone, I'm from Leicester, mate .)
 

NLBwell

Legend
Lendl, Navratilova an Petr Korda are 100% Americans as well. Americans by choice!
I totally agree with that. I'm very glad to have them as Americans and proud that the U.S. is such a great place that many people want to become Americans. My comment was "as a tennis player." The Davis Cup used to have rules about what country you could compete for (though Australian Marty Mulligan did play Davis Cup for Italy somehow - His maternal grandparents were Italian, from Orsago, Treviso, Veneto. They moved to Australia in 1900) so there were ways around the rules even a long time ago.
[grandparents reference from Wikipedia]
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
there is no such thing as american........everyone over there is an immigrant........european or african or asian or indian or mix of two or more races immigrant.........the only americans are the red indians or apache indians.........when will the world accept that reality for god's sake?

i never considered sampras american, he is out and out greek with blood full of valour.........
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
He is genetically 100% Czech rep (father born and bread in Prague, mother in Havlickuv Brod which is Czech-Moravian region) and his tennis was heavily (should be written in capital letters, really) influenced by Czech tennis so...yeah. If this is something to cheer for as an "American product" then excuse me while I laugh out loud.

Those two were not just born in Czechoslovakia, they were trained there as well. Lendl has become American when he was like 26, Navratilova around 25. Now don't get me wrong, I'm aware of what USA is basically built upon but to boast about people like these two as an American success? Really?
I dont think anyone honestly considers Lendl and Navratilova to be American players, though its nice to think they are. Sebastian Korda, however, is totally American. If youre going to argue that someome who's born somewhere isnt actually from there, then youll have to rethink a ton of people.
 

ZanderGoga

Semi-Pro
I have no idea what Korda's documentation says, but the bigger story here is how pathetic American tennis and American tennis fans must be to get worked up over whether or not they should get "credit" for some nobody winning some bubble gum backwater tournament with gummy bears and gift certificates as a prize pool. Way to go, I guess?
 

Swingmaster

Hall of Fame
I have no idea what Korda's documentation says, but the bigger story here is how pathetic American tennis and American tennis fans must be to get worked up over whether or not they should get "credit" for some nobody winning some bubble gum backwater tournament with gummy bears and gift certificates as a prize pool. Way to go, I guess?
People debate just to debate. Most of these nationality debaters havent even watched much of Korda. He's a promising young American with some eye pleasing strokes, as opposed to some other youngsters. No need to for anyone to make things ugly. The question is: how good can he become? Anyone who's watched him for more than a few minutes can see that he's looking like top top ten material. Anyone who has barely seen him will say he's not as good as people say.
 

Adv. Edberg

Hall of Fame
Knew this would be controversial but ok. I've stated I'm aware of how US works and everything so I'm not going to comment on this again.

The guy might be an American (high school, prom, the whole nine yards and whatever) but he's been in Prague at Sparta club slugging it out on clay with Stepanek and co every chance he's got, staying with his nana in some old Prague flat...chugging in proper Czech brew and eating knedlo-vepro-zelo to get some muscle (these are Stepanek's words from not so long ago...). So no, he's not a pure American tennis school product because he simply could not have been from the off. If this is the standard over the pond, fair enough...my mistake and lesson learned.
Well, then Murray is Spanish
 

eman11

Rookie
Korda? Sounds czech :unsure:
(Pancho) Gonzales? Sounds Spanish/Hispanic
Chang? Sounds Asian
Sampras? Sounds Greek
Capriati? Sounds Italian
Tiafoe? Sounds African
Escobedo? Sounds Spanish/Hispanic
Emilio Nava? Sounds Spanish/Hispanic

.... catch my drift? ;):)
Or should I explain it to you?
 

Incognito

Legend
(Pancho) Gonzales? Sounds Spanish/Hispanic
Chang? Sounds Asian
Sampras? Sounds Greek
Capriati? Sounds Italian
Tiafoe? Sounds African
Escobedo? Sounds Spanish/Hispanic
Emilio Nava? Sounds Spanish/Hispanic

.... catch my drift? ;):)
Or should I explain it to you?
Fed devotee, pls. Don’t cheat the readers.

Chang sounds German!
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Sebastian Korda, however, is totally American. If youre going to argue that someome who's born somewhere isnt actually from there, then youll have to rethink a ton of people.
Said I understand the concept of multi(cultural...) countries, no problem with that. Teasing a bit, felt like that yesterday.

Well, then Murray is Spanish
Thought so...a three year old would place him there based on speech alone, right? All jokes aside - and despite a simple, unimportant fact that both of his parents weren't born in Spain and moved to Schcotlandsh in their almost 30ies - he definitely plays like Spanish tennis product, no?
 
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rUDin 21

Professional
How many people are getting triggered over a guy who is clearly an "American", even though nobody knows what that means anyway.
 

Adv. Edberg

Hall of Fame
Said I understand the concept of multi(cultural...) countries, no problem with that. Teasing a bit, felt like that yesterday.



Thought so...a three year old would place him there based on speech alone, right? All jokes aside - and despite a simple, unimportant fact that both of his parents weren't born in Spain and moved to Schcotlandsh in their almost 30ies - he definitely plays like Spanish tennis product, no?
He was born in Scotland but trained in Span. Just like Korda is born in the states but may have trained else. So if Korda isn't American then Murray can't be Scottish.
 
The 20 year old Sebastian Korda did it tonight. Although his receiving in the second set was quite poor, the youngster impressed. There is a hope in American tennis after all.

Ive been saying that for 30 years. LOL!!!!.

Sadly, American men's tennis died when Sampras/Agassi/Courier retired. They were the last. Tennis will be gone as a sport completely before we get another all time great american. Mainly because Tennis is no longer popular in the States
 
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