Kygrios slams Becker over Alcaraz commemt
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Would he? Becker has been in the finals of Monte Carlo (x3), Rome and Hamburg, a 3-time French Open semi finalist, and beat Edberg 6-3, 6-1, 6-4, when West Germany beat Sweden on indoor clay in Gothenburg in the 1988 Davis Cup final.
Becker not winning a clay-court singles title during his tennis career is notable precisely because he was much better on clay than that statistic suggests.
In that 1995 Wimbledon semi final, Agassi was up 6-2, 4-1 (2 breaks) against Becker. Becker then broke back in the sixth game of the second set, held up his arms in triumph. It seemed to change the whole momentum from being massively in Agassi's favour to Becker stubbornly digging in and finding a way. Becker won 2-6, 7-6, 6-4, 7-6, both tiebreaks by a 7-1 scoreline. The coaching situation with the two players just added to the edge, with Becker coached by Agassi's old coach Nick Bollettieri, and Agassi coached by Becker's former playing rival Brad Gilbert.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
That was one of the best matches of the 1990s, not only for Becker outplaying/thinking Agassi, but the revealing coverage (from HBO's Wimbledon broadcast) of the arrogant Agassi having his pigeon-toed ass handed to him, immediately followed by his cowardly exit from the grounds and into his waiting vehicle--avoiding speaking to the press or anyone else. His manufactured ego was picked apart that day, and it was wonderful to see it happen from the talented hands and mind of Boris Becker.
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Lol man, what did Andre do to you?
Was very satisfying though seeing Becker regaining his form and handling an extremely tough opponent for him, especially after being down in the second. But it's grass, and a big server with superb net skills (and the thundervolleys
) will always have the advantage over a baseliner if he's playing well.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
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Sorry but Agassi is the best ever as he went 10-1 in their last matches
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
Who is Nick Kyrgios again? The guy with no slams...
"Carlos Alcaraz would destroy Boris Becker" - Nick Kyrgios reacts to German's claim that Spaniard hasn't 'developed' as much as other players
Nick Kyrgios recently reacted to Boris Becker's claim that Carlos Alcaraz has not 'developed' as much as other players.www.sportskeeda.com
I think Becker is right and meant no disrespect. Kygrios' retaliation is misplaced and inaccurate, prime Becker would destroy Alcaraz on fast surfaces.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
The guy who'd have thirty slams if he had the work ethic to practice.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Becker certainly proved the point in spectacular fashion in that match.Lol man, what did Andre do to you?
Was very satisfying though seeing Becker regaining his form and handling an extremely tough opponent for him, especially after being down in the second. But it's grass, and a big server with superb net skills (and the thundervolleys
Agassi is no "best ever" in any category, except the best candidate to blame for influencing the degradation of the majority of men's tennis in his wake.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Old Bad backassi took prime Fed to 5 in a great us open match in 2004, if even his hobbled self can do that he's clearly a strong candidate for best ever.
What do you mean he influenced degredation?
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
It wouldn't matter. He isn't good enough to win a slam.
Devilito
Legend
He's and amazing tennis player, but every top zoomer player thinks they're the greatest thing ever. I have top juniors that i teach at my club that think if they could go back in time they'd win 20 slams and clown on guys like Mac and Borg. I'm not even joking. These kids are great players, but they have zero ability to self analyze their own ability and the ability of others. It's one thing to be a great athlete, it's another to be a great coach, teacher or critic of the game.
sportsfan1
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Raz and next gen co have been losing handily to a 36/37 year old, so we can't be entirely sure
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
They don't know how difficult it is to do what they did with those racquets lol. Not like I've ever played with them either but I can imagine.
Azure
G.O.A.T.
Honestly we don’t know this. I think he does not have the talent to win even one, as proved in reality.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
I don't know its just satire but point is I doubt he worked hard enough to achieve anything near his potential. Can't imagine a guy like him constantly grinding hard to be his best like Djokovic. Probably lazy with practicing and leaving a ton of unfilled potential on the table
That's the closest Nick is getting to winning a Slam
Azure
G.O.A.T.
Work ethics and discipline is part of what a sportsperson is. Otherwise I could say that about any john doe out there. A couple of trick shots and a good serve do not guarantee anything. His best ranking proves his capability. He is not a what-if of the level of Seles or even a Del Potro.
JoshDragon
Hall of Fame
If memory serves, I seem to remember reading about a college player who played a tie-breaker against a 50+ year old McEnroe and the college player was only able to win a single point.
Honestly, it's just ignorance. But I won't fault the juniors for making claims like that.
They just don't know any better.
If you are used to watching modern tennis and then you go back and watch old matches, from the 70s or the 80s, the points are going to seem somewhat slow, when compared to today.
It also goes without saying that the athleticism has evolved, over time..
Players don't really serve and volley anymore, either.
In some ways, the sport feels completely detached from the way that it was 40-50 years ago.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Funny thing I discovered earlier was that although Agassi dominated Boris Becker the very last match of his career was a loss to Benjamin Becker!
How poetic. Vengeance of the Beckers
How poetic. Vengeance of the Beckers
messiahrobins
Legend
On clay agassi would be hammered by the big 3 so badly.
On grass he would i think struggle as well against all 3.
On hard he could beat all of them at his very best.
I mean, Becker was better on grass than Agassi. In Wimbledon 1992 Agassi was frankly lucky as Becker was off compared to 1990/1991 - he was not in best shape and only playing at 70-80% in that QF match.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Agassi's one-dimensional baseliner / net-phobic game (the Nick Bollettieri style) was aggressively championed by endless players and ass-kissers such as Patrick McEnroe (and American tennis in general). Its the reason much of men's tennis turned into bore-fest of clones for the past two-plus generations.
I say it's bc of poly strings. So blame guga before agassi.
But, there's still the slow balls and courts to add to the reason.
jmacdaununder2
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Is is indeed surprising to see such a sophisticated debater as Nick attacking the man & not the argument…
Georgepeppard007
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Becker in his prime was a load to handle.
aldeayeah
G.O.A.T.
we found his account guys
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
He's right you know
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Nick Bayless
nolefam_2024
Bionic Poster
Zetty this idiot is now getting MONEY that the old guys should commenting when he understands so little.
big ted
Legend
because what hes saying is stupid and wrong. kyrgios would be perfect on TTW. strong opinions with no real facts or logic to back it up
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Cause someone having a very wrong opinion is really annoying
I agree, Becker in his prime would demolish ALCARAZ, but that was not the point, and kyrios is not bright enough to understand what Becker was saying and Becker was 100% percent correct. Btw it is rich AUSTRALIA would not let Becker into coach when 2 years ago there was a huge scandal and demoted parliamentarians due to the rape of a 16 year old staffer.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
Your nose is growing again
Hey, NTRP 3.0, you have no clue about the depth and physicalities of today's game. You're totally delusional if you think he would be battling Djokovic, Nadal and Federer for slams. Because that is what it would take to win them. And if he would not be battling them for slams, well, there's your Becker of today right there, akin to Kyrgios' description. Not that Kyrgios is speaking some outerwordly wisdom, he is stating the obvious.
It's okay to be delusional. Bruce Lee is the best fighter ever, and Bobby Fischer is the greatest chess player ever, right? I want to believe...
I think it's just nostalgia, not much else. Many people cannot get over this.Hey, NTRP 3.0, you have no clue about the depth and physicalities of today's game. You're totally delusional if you think he would be battling Djokovic, Nadal and Federer for slams. Because that is what it would take to win them. And if he would not be battling them for slams, well, there's your Becker of today right there, akin to Kyrgios' description. Not that Kyrgios is speaking some outerwordly wisdom, he is stating the obvious.
It's okay to be delusional. Bruce Lee is the best fighter ever, and Bobby Fischer is the greatest chess player ever, right? I want to believe...
Being a German and Becker fan in my childhood, I might somewhat like to think Becker would beat Alcaraz "like a drum" as someone said here, but I'm realistic enough to see that times haves changed. No one would consistently beat a top player of today (using modern equipment) with S&V, no matter the surface. And as outstanding as Becker's serve was in his time, today most players serve powerful and accurate, and yet S&V is no option.
It's really no rocket science that it simply doesn't work. And local club coaches even here in Germany agree that Becker wouldn't win anything big with his style today. Becker himself actually once said that Zverev is better than he himself was back then.
PS: Fischer really was great though, regardless of era. But then, it's not so much about increase in physical fitness or new equipment in chess.
Aestheticsaboveallelse
Legend
You can't compare like that... he tailored his game for that era and didn't have poly strings... its like saying send Djokovic back to the wooden racquet stone ages and he wont win a slam.
Also chess is even more evolved than what happened to tennis cause they got superhuman godlike engines to learn from. Tennis just got a more minor equipment enhancement
how many french open semis and big clay finals did nick reach (monte carlo, rome, hamburg)? No, becker beat phillipoussis 6-1 6-1 on red clay once. Don't forget mark beat sampras in 5 sets in the french open first round once.
CHillTennis
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It's just Lame Horse being Lame Horse."Carlos Alcaraz would destroy Boris Becker" - Nick Kyrgios reacts to German's claim that Spaniard hasn't 'developed' as much as other players
Nick Kyrgios recently reacted to Boris Becker's claim that Carlos Alcaraz has not 'developed' as much as other players.
I think Becker is right and meant no disrespect. Kygrios' retaliation is misplaced and inaccurate, prime Becker would destroy Alcaraz on fast surfaces.
Nothing new to see here.
Moon Shooter
Hall of Fame
"Carlos Alcaraz would destroy Boris Becker" - Nick Kyrgios reacts to German's claim that Spaniard hasn't 'developed' as much as other players
Nick Kyrgios recently reacted to Boris Becker's claim that Carlos Alcaraz has not 'developed' as much as other players.
I think Becker is right and meant no disrespect. Kygrios' retaliation is misplaced and inaccurate, prime Becker would destroy Alcaraz on fast surfaces.
Even if Becker lived his whole life with no arms to swing a racquet it doesn't mean his comment should be dismissed. Kyrgios proves that more athleticism does not mean more intelligence.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
The statement that Alcaraz would "destroy" Becker (on any level of the game) is so absurd that it would be listed as comedy, if this was not yet another idiotic Kyrgios comment born out of pure ignorance. Alcaraz would be straight-setted with the expected routine of the sun rising.
droliver
Professional
Becker was a fantastic athlete, (big, strong, quick, fierce competitor) he'd be just fine if he was 35 years younger in this era and playing a contemporary style. I think the smaller greats (McEnroe, Connors, Borg, Kriek, Rios) would struggle more with their physical ceiling the way the game is now played
travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
Except for Mac. He would feast on the deep return of serve positioning most top players use today.
helterskelter
G.O.A.T.
As I recall, what turned the match around for Becker (Agassi initially led 6-2 4-1 with two breaks, before losing 6-2 6-7 4-6 6-7) was that Becker stopped playing classic grass court tennis and showed willingness to work a point and rally rather than charging the net right away. Isn’t that right? It’s been a long time!
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