Kyrgios, Coric, Zverev, Kokkinakis et al.: the soon-to-be future stars of tennis.

Wednesday, 27 August 2014

Young guns alert: on Borna Coric, Kokkinakis et al

In an earlier post I suggested that the rankings of some of the young up and comers, particularly those who move up the ranks quickly through the futures/challenger circuit, give a pretty misleading picture of their real level.

The classic case of that in today's results with seventeen year old qualifier Borna Coric (currently ranked 204), who has just routed Rosol (ranked 24).

The score was 6-4, 6-1, 6-2!

I'm not sure what exactly happened there (alas the match was not livestreamed), maybe Rosol wasn't at his best.

All the same, there is possibly another factor at work here.

The young gun problem

One of the problems for those players who rise rapidly is that the running year ranking system disadvantages them when it comes to getting entry to tour level tournaments, even at qualifying level (and when it comes to seeding). That means they can't compete in tournaments giving higher levels of points (unless they can crack a wildcard).

This compounds the second issue, namely that their rankings arguably often look lower relative to the top 100 group than their real playing level because of the 2009 changes to the points weightings, which doubled the points for Grand Slams and higher level tournaments.

My 'where have all the teenagers gone?' post goes through the protections top group get against intruders from outside the top 100, but the bottom line is that the effect of it is that when the young guns do get to play the top group, they often seem to do unexpectedly well.

I'm not suggesting all of these young up and comers are genuinely top players as yet. On the face of it, several have more time to do in challengers before they should move up. But there is a good case for making sure they get more top level experience opportunities - like slam wildcards - to help them make the transition.

What the top players looked like back then...

There has been a bit of work around suggesting that junior performance (ranked no 1, Slams) might be good indicators of those who will make it to the very top. On the face of it, though, the real test of making the jump is how they go at challenger level.

Consider, for example, the table below showing win/loss ratios for players challenger and future careers. First for some of the top players, so you can see how the best fared at that level, back in the day. The table shows that few of them had to play all that many challenger matches before being able to get the next level up. But they also played enough of them to get a pretty positive win/loss ratio at that level before they did.

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Some (though not all) of the newer crop of rising stars - such as Messrs Kyrgios and Thiem in particular - have pretty similar (or even better) success rates at the challenger level, as the table below illustrates.

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In fact, on the whole, this group is had a faster and more positive trajectory than the current 'young guns' group in the top 100, perhaps explaining why they have yet to win a slam.

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Finally, take a look at the very young guns group, the players ranked 100-300 or so and rising rapidly (data from mid-July). On the face of it they haven't yet outgrown challengers. But they will, very soon. Very soon.

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**I should note, the figures for this group are changing rapidly: a month or so on Kokkinkis is now at 14/11 for challengers, for example.

http://lifeunitennis.blogspot.com.au/2014/08/young-guns-alert-on-borna-coric.html

The article is a couple of months old; but it is worthy of posting, because it gives a significant sense of perspective on the prospects of the "young guns."
 
I'm an early fan of borna coric since he played murray in DC last year, still 17yrs old he has been zooming up the rank charts and this week is in the 120s, He has a wildcard in basel atp500..

a chance to be rank high enough in jan2015 to go direct into the main draw of aussie open. which these days would be good going.
 
Coric looks promising. He's having a great Basel tournament as we're speaking. Zverve had a stellar run in Hamburg but afterwards went off the boil which is expected. He's mentally unstable though. Should work on his temper.
 
I want to watch Coric play. Dang they only show Basel starting tomorrow here! Wanted to watch zverev as well but no luck. I wish we have tennis channel here, or racquet channel like what my friend has in Singapore.
 
Kyrgios is too busy partying in the clubs. The next Marat Safin it seems.

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Kyrgios' only problem so far has been over training. The guy works like a beast in every session. He was far from the most talented 12 year old in town, but has risen to be the best 19 year old in the world. That was all hard work.
 
I watched Coric and Zverev matches and have hope they would be in top 20 in a few years time. Zverev has more power but Coric has more maturity.
 
from Coric's profile at ATP website:

"...If he hadn’t been a tennis player, he would be “a boxer. I love the sport”…Favourite sporting personality is Mike Tyson…"

I am certainly not a fan. :)
 
from Coric's profile at ATP website:

"...If he hadn’t been a tennis player, he would be “a boxer. I love the sport”…Favourite sporting personality is Mike Tyson…"

I am certainly not a fan. :)

that's pretty cool. most of these boring guys just like football
 
I was fortunate enough to see Kyrgios and Coric play at the same time on adjacent courts at the U.S. Open this year. IMO Coric has a higher upside than Kyrgios (more well-rounded), though I think both will be top 10 players in time. Kyrgios' game may not be well-rounded enough to reach #1 or even the top 5. His serve may become the best in the world or at least in the top 2-3 in the next few years though.
 
Coric's court presence at 17. This guy is the real deal. His game is going to be a tough one to beat for years to come. Hope he stays healthy.
 
Coric is the next world number one. Book it. Baby Djokovic.

More than baby Djokovic. The guy has an overhead, can play at net, and is willing to stay aggressive all the time. I like his style, much more than the endless baseline grinding of Djokovic/Nadal/Murray.
 
Interesting how much the future generation is made up of diaspora I guess the families are more committed to opportunity than settled people are.
 
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