Kyrgios is a much more naturallly gifted player than Federer
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Omega_7000
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“Talent-wise, just purely based on talent the way Federer plays, his hands, his serving, his volleys, untouchable."
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Nick Kyrgios On The GOAT Debate: 'Federer Is The Greatest Of All Time' | ATP Tour | Tennis
The GOAT — Greatest Of All Time — debate sends fans and analysts alike spinning in circles. Is it Roger Federer? How about Rafael Nadal? Could Novak Djokovic eventually take that title? Nick Kyrgios joined the conversation Monday evening following his first-round win at the Australian Open.
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MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
This lady at 2:10
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
First off, the image of Nick 'eating gyros' and half-assing it would reveal itself in an expanded Nalbandian-like waistline -- not the case. A form of coy sandbagging...
Secondly, while you're free to hold to the opinion that Kyrgios is more talented than Federer, to qualify it further by saying he's "much more" (as in the thread title) is patently absurd and worthy of being tossed in the "my favourite male tennis idol's better that your favourite male tennis idol" garbage pail.
steenkash
Hall of Fame
steenkash
Hall of Fame
If kyrgios actually tried he would win every tournament he entered. He just doesn't care to
Kyrgios is already a 10 time Grand Slam champion, he just couldn't be bothered.
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
He's probably more naturally gifted than Novak Djokovic.
TU87
Rookie
He might be the best athlete but IMO Kyrgios greatest attribute is his unpredictability on the court. Mostly all the players have a pattern of play and he does not. It is one of the reasons he doesn't want a couch. A couch is going to have him play a certain way and fine tune that way. Kyrgios enjoys being a mid level player, go to the 3rd or 4th round of a major, win a lower level tournament every so often and just enjoy life with no pressure of being the best.
accidental
Hall of Fame
These threads are getting seriously weird
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
Nick acts like he sits on the couch all day, but he is either lifting weights or playing basketball because otherwise I think he'd be a lot chubbier rn. If it is the latter, I am not surprised. I bet the basketball really helps with his footwork. Everybody thinks you can just sit around all day hitting forehand after forehand, but playing other sports can help you with other aspects of your game.
As another example, they just had Nole looking like he was doing pilates. You can imagine how that helps him with his particular game.
As another example, they just had Nole looking like he was doing pilates. You can imagine how that helps him with his particular game.
Don’t underestimate basketball in building leg and arm strength and improving the footwork. I think every tennis player should play basketball as part of the training.
I think it’s already understood that the OP, by saying more naturally gifted than Federer, concedes that Djokovic is below the level of these two in terms of natural talent.
FatHead250
Professional
They both win all the hypotheticals, wo they do have something in common
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Deleted member 771911
Guest
Agreed. Nalbandian, Mecir, Rios, Kyrgios then Federer or Safin.
smalahove
Hall of Fame
Nobody really thinks he isn't training, are they?
There is no way he can serve that well consistently without regular training. The quality of serve is not like riding a bike, it's perishable.
And his return game is as good as it ever was.
Secondly, his shoulder and arm would fall apart if he didn't work out in the gym, with the stress his service motion puts on them (he has a very fast and compact motion).
There is no way he can serve that well consistently without regular training. The quality of serve is not like riding a bike, it's perishable.
And his return game is as good as it ever was.
Secondly, his shoulder and arm would fall apart if he didn't work out in the gym, with the stress his service motion puts on them (he has a very fast and compact motion).
Aabye5
G.O.A.T.
I'm not. I definitely think it's good for Kyrgios. Although for the general case, I think it depends on the player.
eagletennis
Semi-Pro
I agree. While Fed is still most talented of all big 3 he actually put tremendous work into developing his skill. Kyrgios pure physical and shotmaking ability and pure power are ridiculous
TheMysteryofPenguin
Rookie
Nick is way more talented then Federer imo.
Legend of Borg
G.O.A.T.
It's funny that Kyrgios' mere presence on the tour, no matter how small or insignificant, is still enough to trigger so many people around here.
Don't worry, he's not gonna beat your guy or take any titles from him.
Don't worry, he's not gonna beat your guy or take any titles from him.
game..set..match
Semi-Pro
Yes physically. Mental talent is actually a thing in tennis though, and kyrgios is lacking way behind federer.
Self discipline
Mental toughness
Keeping composure under pressure
Resiliency
Clutchness
Making adjustments
There are others but I would classify these as attributes of mental talent.
Self discipline
Mental toughness
Keeping composure under pressure
Resiliency
Clutchness
Making adjustments
There are others but I would classify these as attributes of mental talent.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Bublik is crazy talented too. These guys come along every once in a while. Mad geniuses. That's what Kyrgios is.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
FH and drop shots.
The Guru
Legend
Drop shots maybe FH lol no
ACE of Hearts
Bionic Poster
Being talented doesn’t make you a great player. So no. It takes more than just talent. Apparently kyrgios doesn’t have the rest of the intangibles. Naturally gifted doesn’t mean squat at the end of the day if you lack other stuff.
Fabresque
Legend
Yeah not really. Gilles Simon is the most unimaginative player of all time but he can pull off any of those Bublik/Kyrgios shots no problem. It’s just he wants to win and not play like a clown so.
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Right, I'm sure he can do all that stuff no problem. lol
Nole_The_Champion
Semi-Pro
ballmachineguy
Hall of Fame
I am sure there are numerous NFL wide outs and defensive backs that have actually touched a racquet but weren’t motivated to become tennis professionals. If I could handpick some NBA guys at 5 yrs old to play tennis instead, and add them to the NFL guys, it is possible Rafa and Djoker would be playing on outside courts.
The only athletic event you probably know you have the best at what they do lined up to compete is the 100m.
Nole_The_Champion
Semi-Pro
Debate over talent of professional players is a pointless waste of time.
It can hardly be measured, and is far from enough to win titles.
It's only important to be recognized in young kids on time, so there's a quality soil to be worked on, that is all.
It can hardly be measured, and is far from enough to win titles.
It's only important to be recognized in young kids on time, so there's a quality soil to be worked on, that is all.
ForehandCross
G.O.A.T.
@steenkash being sly here, trying to pit Towns two "talented" favorite against the other. And he cares for none
JackSockIsTheBest
Professional
Can't even aim
This lady at 2:10
BorisRogerFan
Semi-Pro
Kyrgios' alleged talent is ludicrously overrated.
AMGF
Hall of Fame
Having potential and reaching/achieving your full potential is very different.
Undeniable that Kyrgios is very talented. But he doesn’t like tennis, he doesn’t train very hard, he will never achieve his full potential.
If Federer had inherited Kyrgios (lack of) commitment to the game, he’d not be who he is. Hard to tell how bad he would be. However if Kyrgios had inherited Federer’s commitment to the game, he’d be a slam winner by now.
I think talent is not enough if you don’t commit, and commitment is not enough without talent. Federer has both. Kyrgios is entertaining and unpredictable. Federer is goat.
Undeniable that Kyrgios is very talented. But he doesn’t like tennis, he doesn’t train very hard, he will never achieve his full potential.
If Federer had inherited Kyrgios (lack of) commitment to the game, he’d not be who he is. Hard to tell how bad he would be. However if Kyrgios had inherited Federer’s commitment to the game, he’d be a slam winner by now.
I think talent is not enough if you don’t commit, and commitment is not enough without talent. Federer has both. Kyrgios is entertaining and unpredictable. Federer is goat.
Otacon
Hall of Fame
I like this kind of stuff.
This lady at 2:10
Always remember, while driving, assume everyone else is an idiot.
Sudacafan
Bionic Poster
Can be, if gifts don’t include brains.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
It's truly fascinating!
Rosstour
G.O.A.T.
Fed was never the workaholic that Djok and Nadal are, he has been described as lazy. He's one or two character-building events removed from being just like Nick.
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