Kyrgios is Finnish

FRV2

Professional
You might be right. I was watching the match against Rublev and thinking there is no way he is going to win a grand slam with this return game, which seems like it never really improves. Hopefully we are both wrong though.
 
You might be right. I was watching the match against Rublev and thinking there is no way he is going to win a grand slam with this return game, which seems like it never really improves. Hopefully we are both wrong though.
Never thought he would. He is not good enough or commit enough. It was obvious he would never win a slam at this point.

Maybe he is now more resigned than ever though. Or maybe this wakes him up final? But even if it does, he is simply not good enough.
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
This was his chance, the draw opened up, as much as i like the bloke and think he's great for tennis, i just can't see him getting it together enough to make a meaningful run at a slam now without collapsing in some way or other.
 

Demented

Rookie
His backhand isn't good enough against people who can stretch him really wide. It's a good shot when he's on top of the ball but if his movement isn't 100% then it breaks down. His entire loss to Rublev was due to his backhand not firing correctly due to the pressure Rublev was maintaining. Based on his first 2 matches, I thought his return game had gotten a bit better, he was really off vs Rublev and I'm leaning toward that being whatever issue he was having with the light/night blindness. I used to think he'd be the next solid entrant into the top 5 but after this week, I'm leaning to him peaking around 10-15 at some point. He may vulture a slam one day similar to Cilic/Delpo when he's at his prime(~29) and hopefully more mature.
 

big ted

Hall of Fame
game aside I think he's just too mentally fragile & doesn't want to win badly enough. rublev wanted it more & it showed.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
According to this article


The argument is that it is becoming increasing unlikely Kyrgios will win a slam judging by the ages previous slam winners broke through
The author is saying nothing that most of us on here haven't already said or thought. The talent is there, the focus and dedication are not. Kyrgios himself would probably be the first to agree. He just doesn't really care which almost certainly makes him the most singular exception ever amongst tennis professionals from any era.
 

James P

Hall of Fame
Nick is not a normal cat. Comparing him to historical players doesn't really make sense, because there really isn't much of a comparable analog for his career. That said, I am increasingly doubting he'll ever get interested enough to compete for a Slam.
 

ibbi

Legend
Can someone who has yet to really get started be Finnish? Literally the greatest day of his career to date was the day he came to the worlds attention at Wimbledon in 2014, and it's been all downhill since then.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Kyrgios is not unlike a lot of professional athletes. Up to this point, he’s simply been better than the competition he’s faced, so he could afford to do pretty much whatever he wanted and still win most of the time.

Now he’s facing competition that’s as good as (or better than) he is. He can’t just count on his talent. Everyone at this level is talented. And at this level, experts are able to dissect everyone’s game, identify weaknesses and come up with gameplans.

Kyrgios’ main problem is his arrogance. If he could accept the fact that everyone at this level is “off the charts” talented as he is and accept the fact that he’s going to have to work really hard to win the big trophy, he certainly could do it (no guarantee).

His assertion that he doesn’t care is obviously rubbish. He was overjoyed to win Washington. Don’t tell me he doesn’t want to win slam title. Nobody really believes that.

He’s really just making a fool of himself. And the crowds that egg on his behavior won’t be around in 20 years when he realizes he wasted his opportunity. He’ll have to live with that himself (though I can imagine some TV specials with him feeling sorry for himself; sort of philippoussis like or something).
 
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James P

Hall of Fame
Kyrgios must have the smallest needle d*ck in the world.....the compensation is on another level...
Just a working theory I have, but I think him being mixed race and lacking an identity has him maintaining a massive chip on his shoulder.
 

a10best

Hall of Fame
You might be right. I was watching the match against Rublev and thinking there is no way he is going to win a grand slam with this return game, which seems like it never really improves. Hopefully we are both wrong though.
I don't see him winning a slam ever now with his current return game and shot choices at important moments. Once Rublev or any higher-ranked player starts returning his serve, he loses confidence and checks out. Isner the same thing but he can't run well. Kyrios runs well and can't consistently hit it back or makes a bad choice.
 

Booger

Hall of Fame
Spoiler alert: once the big 3 retire, it's going to be bums winning slams.

Kyrgios is plenty talented to beat a handful of nobodies and win 1-2 tough matches against Zverev and Thiem or whoever.
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
I do NOT want to ever see him on a tennis court again. But, if he does, he should beat Nadal.

What a disgrace to this sport he is!
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Headline reads, " Nick Kyrgios is all but finished as a Grand Slam-winning prospect."

Isn't the same true of every other player under the age of 32 except for Cilic, Murray and Stan? Why is this applicable only to Nick and not to Gasquet, Raonic, Isner, Dr. Ivo, Monfils, RBA, Kei, Fog, Coric, Goffin, Anderson, etc?

Why is Nick called out and not all these guys, all of whom are far older than Nick?
 

Max G.

Legend
Kyrgios’ main problem is his arrogance.
Kyrgios's main problem is that he's never liked tennis. Heck, back in 2015 - when he was 20 - he said "I don't really like tennis, I'd rather play basketball". https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/nick-kyrgios-i-dont-really-like-tennis-id-rather-play-basketball-10343748.html

However, he's stuck as a tennis player. By the time he realized he didn't like tennis it was too late to pick any other career.

That's where all the mental weakness comes from, the lack of focus, everything. If your motivation is just to make some money, that's not enough of a motivation to put in the kind of hours and the kind of focus it takes to really make it to the top of the game. And it's not something you can ever really correct.

I think Kyrgios will spend most of his career about where he is now. Dangerous and streaky, because he's talented. But never gaining any consistency and losing when he comes across an opponent that's also talented but willing to put in the effort and focus. He'll win more 250 and 500 tournaments, and maybe a masters 1000, but never a Slam.
 
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Gugafan

Hall of Fame
Headline reads, " Nick Kyrgios is all but finished as a Grand Slam-winning prospect."

Isn't the same true of every other player under the age of 32 except for Cilic, Murray and Stan? Why is this applicable only to Nick and not to Gasquet, Raonic, Isner, Dr. Ivo, Monfils, RBA, Kei, Fog, Coric, Goffin, Anderson, etc?

Why is Nick called out and not all these guys, all of whom are far older than Nick?
Nick has more potential than the players listed ( he has a handy H2H against alot of the current slam winners). He does not commit to proper training or coaching so one can argue he has more room to improve than most.

The problem is if you openly criticise top players in the mens game you better have the game to back it up.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
Headline reads, " Nick Kyrgios is all but finished as a Grand Slam-winning prospect."

Isn't the same true of every other player under the age of 32 except for Cilic, Murray and Stan? Why is this applicable only to Nick and not to Gasquet, Raonic, Isner, Dr. Ivo, Monfils, RBA, Kei, Fog, Coric, Goffin, Anderson, etc?

Why is Nick called out and not all these guys, all of whom are far older than Nick?
Dr Ivo still has potential. Too early to write him off
 

dunlop_fort_knox

Professional
i think he has a shot at winning a slam when he is completely discredited and disregarded and forgotten as a slam threat. why? because then there would be no pressure on him and he could sneak up on everybody and play freely. mcenroe says he has a fear of success/failure....he will be most dangerous at a slam when he is forgotten. Here's the thing. He did better in slams when he was younger and nobody knew who he was. He had no expectations to win a slam, which paradoxically, made actually winning a slam, for Nick, an actual possibility.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
According to this article


The argument is that it is becoming increasing unlikely Kyrgios will win a slam judging by the ages previous slam winners broke through
So here is the thing for me...

Kyrgios is just a poor man’s version of Monfils, but without the athletic ability and with big issues mentally. Gael had his issues too, but has matured the last few years and especially this USO. He still gets to be Le Monf, and play quality, competitive tennis. If Nick would get over himself and his issues, he actually could be good for the sport like Monfils has been. And both can be contenders in that light.

Really, I don’t think Nick will take it on. But it always possible. That or he will burn out and fade away, only to be remembered on some Tennis Channel Where Are They Now serious or Top 10 Bad Boys - never remembered for his tennis though.
 

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Kyrgios's main problem is that he's never liked tennis. Heck, back in 2015 - when he was 20 - he said "I don't really like tennis, I'd rather play basketball". https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/tennis/nick-kyrgios-i-dont-really-like-tennis-id-rather-play-basketball-10343748.html

However, he's stuck as a tennis player. By the time he realized he didn't like tennis it was too late to pick any other career.

That's where all the mental weakness comes from, the lack of focus, everything. If your motivation is just to make some money, that's not enough of a motivation to put in the kind of hours and the kind of focus it takes to really make it to the top of the game. And it's not something you can ever really correct.

I think Kyrgios will spend most of his career about where he is now. Dangerous and streaky, because he's talented. But never gaining any consistency and losing when he comes across an opponent that's also talented but willing to put in the effort and focus. He'll win more 250 and 500 tournaments, and maybe a masters 1000, but never a Slam.
That’s all BS.

He likes basketball because he plays it for fun with his mates. And he’s probably the best amongst his friends too.

I’m not buying any of his garbage
 

DSH

Legend
He should retire.
Oh, no, wait!
Who does not love earning too much money with so little effort?
Kyrgios is inmature but not stupid.
:censored:
 

megamind

Hall of Fame
Kyrgios is ranked #5 in terms of smallest % of return points won against top 10 players

Until he has a return game, he will not crack the top 10
 

ChrisRF

Hall of Fame
i think he has a shot at winning a slam when he is completely discredited and disregarded and forgotten as a slam threat. why? because then there would be no pressure on him and he could sneak up on everybody and play freely. mcenroe says he has a fear of success/failure....he will be most dangerous at a slam when he is forgotten. Here's the thing. He did better in slams when he was younger and nobody knew who he was. He had no expectations to win a slam, which paradoxically, made actually winning a slam, for Nick, an actual possibility.
But isn’t all that still the case? I mean, does anyone including himself expect him to win a Slam? I don’t think so. When watching Krygios, everyone expects a funny or sometimes not so funny show, but nothing serious.
 

DSH

Legend
But isn’t all that still the case? I mean, does anyone including himself expect him to win a Slam? I don’t think so. When watching Krygios, everyone expects a funny or sometimes not so funny show, but nothing serious.
So, he is not marriage material, is not he?
;)
 

aman92

Hall of Fame
Headline reads, " Nick Kyrgios is all but finished as a Grand Slam-winning prospect."

Isn't the same true of every other player under the age of 32 except for Cilic, Murray and Stan? Why is this applicable only to Nick and not to Gasquet, Raonic, Isner, Dr. Ivo, Monfils, RBA, Kei, Fog, Coric, Goffin, Anderson, etc?

Why is Nick called out and not all these guys, all of whom are far older than Nick?
Because none of them have been half as hyped up as this clown
 
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